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| Quote: | http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/02/ron-turner-appears-headed-to-colts.html
Ron Turner leaving Stanford for Colts job
February 27, 2010 10:30 AM | 4 Comments
By Vaughn McClure
INDIANAPOLIS -- Former Bears offensive coordinator Ron Turner, who was hired this month to the staff of Stanford coach Jim Harbaugh, is leaving to take a job with the Indianapolis Colts, his agent said Saturday. |
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He's going to a team with the same OC for like 15 years, and Peyton Manning, who is another OC on the field. He will literally have nothing to do or contribute. LOL It's perfect for him...
This just backs up my idea that he really must have a great personality and coaches/owners/media likes him. Bill Polian is giving him a job where doesn't have to do anything. Must be nice...
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rub10
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He is probably going to have a small position job like quarterbacks water boy or something along those lines.
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| rub10 wrote: | | He is probably going to have a small position job like quarterbacks water boy or something along those lines. |
If his job title is QB coach I will literally LMAO. Ron Turner coaching Peyton Manning? 
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Never understood the hostility to Turner. The U. of I. is not a football factory like The Ohio State or Michigan (ever hear of the engineering programs? Try getting in. LOL). The Bears expected minimum offense and maximum defense in his two stints as OC. He produced amazing results one season each in the '90's and '06 when the Bears had the talent.
Tom Moore may be irreplaceable. But Manning still needs an OC. Turner is perfectly capable of producing for the Colts. It might suggest that the Colts are moving to a better balance of run and pass.
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| Badger75 wrote: | Never understood the hostility to Turner. The U. of I. is not a football factory like The Ohio State or Michigan (ever hear of the engineering programs? Try getting in. LOL). The Bears expected minimum offense and maximum defense in his two stints as OC. He produced amazing results one season each in the '90's and '06 when the Bears had the talent.
Tom Moore may be irreplaceable. But Manning still needs an OC. Turner is perfectly capable of producing for the Colts. It might suggest that the Colts are moving to a better balance of run and pass. |
You are seriously telling me that the hiring of Turner could cause the Colts offense to change strategy, even if only a minute amount?
I'm not a Turner hater, but he is simply not NFL OC material. He did his best when here, but it wasn't enough and it didn't help that he didn't have a lot to work with either. But I firmly believe that even if you gave him the Saints offense he could not make it produce. He is lacking as a coach.
And what does engineering programs have to to with football Badger? lol....I doubt that there were any more than 5 guys on any of those OU or Mich teams that were studying to be engineers.
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I certainly want my OC to be conversant with the engineering programs at Michigan and Ohio State.
If the Front Office in Indy thinks, even for a moment, that they should change an offensive strategy that has worked for as long as Payton has been on the team because Ron Turner came to town, they ought to be arrested. |
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| GRRLacher wrote: | | Badger75 wrote: | Never understood the hostility to Turner. The U. of I. is not a football factory like The Ohio State or Michigan (ever hear of the engineering programs? Try getting in. LOL). The Bears expected minimum offense and maximum defense in his two stints as OC. He produced amazing results one season each in the '90's and '06 when the Bears had the talent.
Tom Moore may be irreplaceable. But Manning still needs an OC. Turner is perfectly capable of producing for the Colts. It might suggest that the Colts are moving to a better balance of run and pass. |
You are seriously telling me that the hiring of Turner could cause the Colts offense to change strategy, even if only a minute amount?
I'm not a Turner hater, but he is simply not NFL OC material. He did his best when here, but it wasn't enough and it didn't help that he didn't have a lot to work with either. But I firmly believe that even if you gave him the Saints offense he could not make it produce. He is lacking as a coach.
And what does engineering programs have to to with football Badger? lol....I doubt that there were any more than 5 guys on any of those OU or Mich teams that were studying to be engineers. |
No, GRR, the U. of I. as a university is not particularly ambitious to build up athletics as The Ohio State and Michigan are. The U. of I. has the nations #1 engineering and computer technology programs. Meaning that Ron Turner as HC of the Illini didn't have much to work with there either. If he collaborates effectively with Manning and others on the Colts staff, a better balance might emerge. Teams have figured out the Colts aerial game. Maybe Turner can tweek it a bit.
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| Badger75 wrote: | | Teams have figured out the Colts aerial game. Maybe Turner can tweek it a bit. |
They have? Seems to me that the Colts passing game (thanks to Manning) does pretty much whatever they want on a pretty consistent basis.
I see no way what so ever that Turner could make them better. He has shown NOTHING in his career as a college or NFL coach that suggests that he is good at running an offense.
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The Colts offense is very similar to the Buffalo Bills of the Marv Levy-Jim Kelly era and the Greatest Show on Turf Rams with Kurt Warner. Most teams can't stop it, but good defenses can sure slow it down. The NEP with HC Belichick seem to understand it. After all, it was BB as the NYG DC in 1990 who crafted the SB plan that slowed the Bills. Only a few teams have the talent to match up, but if the Colts want to return to the SB and win they need a new wrinkle or two. Can't hurt to add Turner.
No one is going to replace Tom Moore.
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| GRRLacher wrote: | | Badger75 wrote: | Never understood the hostility to Turner. The U. of I. is not a football factory like The Ohio State or Michigan (ever hear of the engineering programs? Try getting in. LOL). The Bears expected minimum offense and maximum defense in his two stints as OC. He produced amazing results one season each in the '90's and '06 when the Bears had the talent.
Tom Moore may be irreplaceable. But Manning still needs an OC. Turner is perfectly capable of producing for the Colts. It might suggest that the Colts are moving to a better balance of run and pass. |
You are seriously telling me that the hiring of Turner could cause the Colts offense to change strategy, even if only a minute amount?
I'm not a Turner hater, but he is simply not NFL OC material. He did his best when here, but it wasn't enough and it didn't help that he didn't have a lot to work with either. But I firmly believe that even if you gave him the Saints offense he could not make it produce. He is lacking as a coach.
And what does engineering programs have to to with football Badger? lol....I doubt that there were any more than 5 guys on any of those OU or Mich teams that were studying to be engineers. |
Alright Manning I want you to run it up the middle. Umm Manning you arent listening to me. Manning stay in the pocket or step up. Manning you are scrambling on purpose just to - me off. Addai up the middle umm thats play action I didnt call that . Whatever get me a burger and fries . |
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| Badger75 wrote: | Never understood the hostility to Turner. The U. of I. is not a football factory like The Ohio State or Michigan (ever hear of the engineering programs? Try getting in. LOL). The Bears expected minimum offense and maximum defense in his two stints as OC. He produced amazing results one season each in the '90's and '06 when the Bears had the talent.
Tom Moore may be irreplaceable. But Manning still needs an OC. Turner is perfectly capable of producing for the Colts. It might suggest that the Colts are moving to a better balance of run and pass. |
Badger...seriously. Come on man. Ron Turdner was so stupid, I nearly pined for the days of Terry Shea or John Shoop. I have no clue how you could not have been physically ill watching that joke of a coach scheme an offense.
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IronMike84
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2006 was Ron Turner's offense working at max potential... mostly because the Bears had pretty good personnel across all offensive position groups.
By no means am I endorsing Ron Turner's system, but you look at every year besides the Super Bowl season and it's easy to see why that offense was stuck in the bottom third of the league. Yes, the system had its flaws, but there was always one or more position groups that really sucked big time, with '06 being the exception.
Bears Offensive Rankings Under Turner
2005: 29th
2006: 15th
2007: 27th
2008: 26th
2009: 23rd
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| Badger75 wrote: | | Teams have figured out the Colts aerial game. Maybe Turner can tweek it a bit. |
Figured out the Colts aerial game? The same aerial game that was good for 282 yards per game (2nd in NFL) and 34 TDs (t-1st in NFL) in 2009? The same passing game that was good for 309 yards per game in the 2009 postseason? Going as far back as 2002 (8 seasons), the IND passing game has never been lower than 6th in the league in yards, and has been lower than 3rd just 3 times in that 8 year stretch. The Colts passing offense has been THE model by which teams measure their own passing game success for a decade now. What could Ron Turner and his Tecmo Bowl playbook possibly bring to that passing game of any real value? The rest of the NFL has to be praying that Ron Turner tries to put his stamp on that Colts offense.
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rub10
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| madmike44 wrote: | | rub10 wrote: | | He is probably going to have a small position job like quarterbacks water boy or something along those lines. |
If his job title is QB coach I will literally LMAO. Ron Turner coaching Peyton Manning? |
aaaa no, I said just be his waterboy.
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