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Joey360R
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 Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 9:27 pm Post subject: 4 overrated 2010 draft prospects |
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there are many prospects who are overrated
1.Taylor Mays
yes he is, many people are making him look like the best safety prospect ever and a potential #1 overall pick but hes not going to be as good as you think. Think Roy Williams...a big, athletic safety whos not that great because he gets burned in coverage. that sense about taylor mays really worries me and jimmy clausen and jake locker really exposed him
2. Sam Bradford
he no doubt is overrated and he wud be 1st on this list but people are finally being reasonanle and giving him 15-20 pick range. but its for injury reasons and not ability reasons. i wud seriously not pick him, even if he was healthy, in the top 20 at all. he plays in a shotgun gimmick offense that makes him look better and hides his weaknesses like arm strenght and touch. think chad pennington or matt cassel. o yea u know that jason white who also won the heisman at oklahoma in 04 went undrafted and never started an nfl game???
3. Colt Mccoy
plays in a spread offense, shotgun, lacks arm strenght, locks onto his targets, does nothing nfl style, texas has no history of successful nfl quarterbacks.....any questions???
4.Trent Williams
he has horrendus footwork on the left side but its also said that he lacks the nasty demeanor to run block...so where does he play in the nfl?? i suggest lose weight if u wanna play LT or get more nasty if u wann aplay RT |
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1. Carlos Dunlap
2. Terrance Cody
3. Marvin Austin (In a 3-4 not a 4-3)
4. Jonathan Dwyer
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Im glad somebody shares my views and opinions of Bradford and Williams. Both are terribly overrated.
But my 4 most overrated are:
1.Sam Bradford
2.Trent Williams
3.Brandon Spikes
4.Dez Bryant
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| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 9:58 pm Post subject: Re: 4 overrated 2010 draft prospects |
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| Joey360R wrote: | there are many prospects who are overrated
1.Taylor Mays
yes he is, many people are making him look like the best safety prospect ever and a potential #1 overall pick but hes not going to be as good as you think. Think Roy Williams...a big, athletic safety whos not that great because he gets burned in coverage. that sense about taylor mays really worries me and jimmy clausen and jake locker really exposed him
2. Sam Bradford
he no doubt is overrated and he wud be 1st on this list but people are finally being reasonanle and giving him 15-20 pick range. but its for injury reasons and not ability reasons. i wud seriously not pick him, even if he was healthy, in the top 20 at all. he plays in a shotgun gimmick offense that makes him look better and hides his weaknesses like arm strenght and touch. think chad pennington or matt cassel. o yea u know that jason white who also won the heisman at oklahoma in 04 went undrafted and never started an nfl game???
3. Colt Mccoy
plays in a spread offense, shotgun, lacks arm strenght, locks onto his targets, does nothing nfl style, texas has no history of successful nfl quarterbacks.....any questions???
4.Trent Williams
he has horrendus footwork on the left side but its also said that he lacks the nasty demeanor to run block...so where does he play in the nfl?? i suggest lose weight if u wanna play LT or get more nasty if u wann aplay RT |
1: Taylor is far more athletic than Roy, and Roy's problems in coverage were well overstated due to the MNF game vs the Skins.
Roy never flashed the range in deep coverage than Taylor has, His ball skills and decision making need work, but he is still a top 15 prospect, (BTW Who has ever said the guy was a potential #1 overall pick??)
2 - Eh, maybe, but he is still well worth a pick in the 20's and that is where most have him sitting now.
Jason White was also what 26 and had a history on 3 or 4 knee surgeries.
3 - He also has the best release of any QB eligible for the draft and some of the best accuracy.
4- Have not seen enough of him while concentrating on him to say anything educated.
For McCoy you seemed to have taken a cliche of what scouts say they do not like in a prospect and have listed them. His zip is there and that is the single most important part of arm strength. His 20 yard routes across the middle are full of zip. He puts amazing touch on Fade routes from inside the 20, something teams use a lot in the NFL.
He is not going to throw 60 yard bombs, but really when was the last time you saw the ball travel 60+ yards in the air in the course of a normal NFL game. Most routes travel between 0-20 yards in the air in the NFL, if you have the zip to throw those routes then the requisite arm strength is there.
Now I still question his edge routes, I.E the zip on his out routes is inconsistent and will lead to Pick 6's if he is not careful.
It depends where you see people rank him. The top Senior QB fine, he is that in my book too. Best QB in the draft...eh not so much, might sneak into late first consideration if a team falls in love with his intangibles, but right now, In the 40-60 range.
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1. Colt McCoy: to be honest I wouldn't touch him before the 5th if I was in a WCO and I wouldn't touch him at all in any other offensive system. Physically cant make the throws required from the qb position at the next level.
2. Carlos Dunlap: All upside no substance
3. Sam Bradford: So sick of hearing people say he passed up on being the #1 pick because thats not true. Bradford doesn't threaten all levels of the field has a frail body and his accuracy and velocity suffer significantly as he throws down field.
4. Taylor Mays: Not even close to Sean Taylor. I'd take Merriweather, Nelson, and Griffin ahead of him. Either you have instincts or you don't and Mays doesn't considering the amount of reps he's recieved and the lack of improvement in reading the game. I haven't even begun to talk about his tackling yet.. |
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Porkins
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| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 11:05 pm Post subject: Re: 4 overrated 2010 draft prospects |
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| khodder wrote: | | Joey360R wrote: | there are many prospects who are overrated
1.Taylor Mays
yes he is, many people are making him look like the best safety prospect ever and a potential #1 overall pick but hes not going to be as good as you think. Think Roy Williams...a big, athletic safety whos not that great because he gets burned in coverage. that sense about taylor mays really worries me and jimmy clausen and jake locker really exposed him
2. Sam Bradford
he no doubt is overrated and he wud be 1st on this list but people are finally being reasonanle and giving him 15-20 pick range. but its for injury reasons and not ability reasons. i wud seriously not pick him, even if he was healthy, in the top 20 at all. he plays in a shotgun gimmick offense that makes him look better and hides his weaknesses like arm strenght and touch. think chad pennington or matt cassel. o yea u know that jason white who also won the heisman at oklahoma in 04 went undrafted and never started an nfl game???
3. Colt Mccoy
plays in a spread offense, shotgun, lacks arm strenght, locks onto his targets, does nothing nfl style, texas has no history of successful nfl quarterbacks.....any questions???
4.Trent Williams
he has horrendus footwork on the left side but its also said that he lacks the nasty demeanor to run block...so where does he play in the nfl?? i suggest lose weight if u wanna play LT or get more nasty if u wann aplay RT |
1: Taylor is far more athletic than Roy, and Roy's problems in coverage were well overstated due to the MNF game vs the Skins.
Roy never flashed the range in deep coverage than Taylor has, His ball skills and decision making need work, but he is still a top 15 prospect, (BTW Who has ever said the guy was a potential #1 overall pick??)
2 - Eh, maybe, but he is still well worth a pick in the 20's and that is where most have him sitting now.
Jason White was also what 26 and had a history on 3 or 4 knee surgeries.
3 - He also has the best release of any QB eligible for the draft and some of the best accuracy.
4- Have not seen enough of him while concentrating on him to say anything educated.
For McCoy you seemed to have taken a cliche of what scouts say they do not like in a prospect and have listed them. His zip is there and that is the single most important part of arm strength. His 20 yard routes across the middle are full of zip. He puts amazing touch on Fade routes from inside the 20, something teams use a lot in the NFL.
He is not going to throw 60 yard bombs, but really when was the last time you saw the ball travel 60+ yards in the air in the course of a normal NFL game. Most routes travel between 0-20 yards in the air in the NFL, if you have the zip to throw those routes then the requisite arm strength is there.
Now I still question his edge routes, I.E the zip on his out routes is inconsistent and will lead to Pick 6's if he is not careful.
It depends where you see people rank him. The top Senior QB fine, he is that in my book too. Best QB in the draft...eh not so much, might sneak into late first consideration if a team falls in love with his intangibles, but right now, In the 40-60 range. |
Taylor Mays didn't play in the UW game.
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2. Carlos Dunlap: All upside no substance
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Dunlap had 3 sacks last week, now he's 1 away from the SEC lead.
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Mays, Dunlap, Bryant, and Bradford...
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1. Patrick Robinson - CB - FSU
2. Cody - Bama
3. Kyle Wilson - CB - Boise St |
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Go Bolts
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| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 12:12 am Post subject: Re: 4 overrated 2010 draft prospects |
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| Joey360R wrote: | there are many prospects who are overrated
1.Taylor Mays
yes he is, many people are making him look like the best safety prospect ever and a potential #1 overall pick but hes not going to be as good as you think. Think Roy Williams...a big, athletic safety whos not that great because he gets burned in coverage. that sense about taylor mays really worries me and jimmy clausen and jake locker really exposed him
2. Sam Bradford
he no doubt is overrated and he wud be 1st on this list but people are finally being reasonanle and giving him 15-20 pick range. but its for injury reasons and not ability reasons. i wud seriously not pick him, even if he was healthy, in the top 20 at all. he plays in a shotgun gimmick offense that makes him look better and hides his weaknesses like arm strenght and touch. think chad pennington or matt cassel. o yea u know that jason white who also won the heisman at oklahoma in 04 went undrafted and never started an nfl game???
3. Colt Mccoy
plays in a spread offense, shotgun, lacks arm strenght, locks onto his targets, does nothing nfl style, texas has no history of successful nfl quarterbacks.....any questions???
4.Trent Williams
he has horrendus footwork on the left side but its also said that he lacks the nasty demeanor to run block...so where does he play in the nfl?? i suggest lose weight if u wanna play LT or get more nasty if u wann aplay RT |
That's a super excellent point! Except, Taylor Mays DID NOT PLAY against Washington. Locker would have had a hell of a time exposing him from the sidelines.
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paulthom23
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jimmy clausen
gerald mccoy
sam bradford
tim tebow
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1. Colt McCoy
-Shouldn't even be thought of within the first 100 picks...
2. Sam Bradford
-System QB who has solid tools, but not a Franchise QB. Shouldn't be touched in the 1st Round.
3. Russell Okung
-He's a pretty solid athlete (maybe a bit overrated there), but where's the intensity? His technique is inconsistent as well.
4. Corey Wootton
-Where has he been all year? He completely lacks the needed explosion and burst to fit in a 4-3 Scheme. He's strictly a 3-4 DE prospect, and he needs to bulk up a little to be able to hold his own there. 3rd Rounder at best...
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Sparkles
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| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 12:41 am Post subject: Re: 4 overrated 2010 draft prospects |
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| Go Bolts wrote: | | Joey360R wrote: | there are many prospects who are overrated
1.Taylor Mays
yes he is, many people are making him look like the best safety prospect ever and a potential #1 overall pick but hes not going to be as good as you think. Think Roy Williams...a big, athletic safety whos not that great because he gets burned in coverage. that sense about taylor mays really worries me and jimmy clausen and jake locker really exposed him
2. Sam Bradford
he no doubt is overrated and he wud be 1st on this list but people are finally being reasonanle and giving him 15-20 pick range. but its for injury reasons and not ability reasons. i wud seriously not pick him, even if he was healthy, in the top 20 at all. he plays in a shotgun gimmick offense that makes him look better and hides his weaknesses like arm strenght and touch. think chad pennington or matt cassel. o yea u know that jason white who also won the heisman at oklahoma in 04 went undrafted and never started an nfl game???
3. Colt Mccoy
plays in a spread offense, shotgun, lacks arm strenght, locks onto his targets, does nothing nfl style, texas has no history of successful nfl quarterbacks.....any questions???
4.Trent Williams
he has horrendus footwork on the left side but its also said that he lacks the nasty demeanor to run block...so where does he play in the nfl?? i suggest lose weight if u wanna play LT or get more nasty if u wann aplay RT |
That's a super excellent point! Except, Taylor Mays DID NOT PLAY against Washington. Locker would have had a hell of a time exposing him from the sidelines. |
uhhh ohh...i guess taylor mayes isnt the only 1 being exposed
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DE Carlos Dunlap
QB Sam Bradford
QB Colt McCoy
DT Terrance Cody
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| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 1:40 am Post subject: Re: 4 overrated 2010 draft prospects |
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| Joey360R wrote: | there are many prospects who are overrated
1.Taylor Mays
yes he is, many people are making him look like the best safety prospect ever and a potential #1 overall pick but hes not going to be as good as you think. Think Roy Williams...a big, athletic safety whos not that great because he gets burned in coverage. that sense about taylor mays really worries me and jimmy clausen and jake locker really exposed him
2. Sam Bradford
he no doubt is overrated and he wud be 1st on this list but people are finally being reasonanle and giving him 15-20 pick range. but its for injury reasons and not ability reasons. i wud seriously not pick him, even if he was healthy, in the top 20 at all. he plays in a shotgun gimmick offense that makes him look better and hides his weaknesses like arm strenght and touch. think chad pennington or matt cassel. o yea u know that jason white who also won the heisman at oklahoma in 04 went undrafted and never started an nfl game???
3. Colt Mccoy
plays in a spread offense, shotgun, lacks arm strenght, locks onto his targets, does nothing nfl style, texas has no history of successful nfl quarterbacks.....any questions???
4.Trent Williams
he has horrendus footwork on the left side but its also said that he lacks the nasty demeanor to run block...so where does he play in the nfl?? i suggest lose weight if u wanna play LT or get more nasty if u wann aplay RT |
Wait how does Bradford's offense hide his touch, and how is having touch like Pennington a bad thing- arm strength yes that would be bad but touch? |
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