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PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 6:20 pm    Post subject: Steelers @ Ravens game thread Reply with quote

Post any Steelers vs Ravens game comments here.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The result is largely dependant on what the Steelers do at QB.

If Maddox starts, the Ravens will neutralise the run game and pick off 2-3 passes. In this case, Ravens win by 10.

If Randle El starts at QB, who knows what'll happen. The run game could either dominate or the Ravens could force him to pass ineffectively. In this case the game could go either way with only 7 points or less between the teams.

If Roethlisberger starts, the Steelers will win comfortably by 10-15 points.

Until the Steelers announce their starting QB, this is a very tough game in which to pick a winner.
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Pittsburgh Steelers (7-2) @ Baltimore Ravens (2-7)

Team Rankings

Pittsburgh
Total Offense: 23rd
Passing Offense: 26th
Rushing Offense: 4th
Total Defense: 9th
Passing Defense: 20th
Rushing Defense: 3rd

Baltimore
Total Offense: 26th
Passing Offense: 24th
Rushing Offense: 24th
Total Defense: 3rd
Passing Defense: 6th
Rushing Defense: 12th

Individual Stats

Pittsburgh
Tommy Maddox
15/36 176 yards 1TD/3INT
Willie Parker
132 carries for 615 yards 3TD
Hines Ward
38 receptions for 548 yards 6TD
James Farrior
68 tackles
Joey Porter
5 sacks

Baltimore
Kyle Boller
34/56 283 yards 0TD/4INT
Jamal Lewis
159 carries for 480 yards 1TD
Derrick Mason
53 receptions for 615 yards 1 TD
Will Demps
46 tackles
Adalius Thomas
4 sacks

Injury Report (As of 11/16)

Pittsburgh
OUT: Charlie Batch (hand)
DOUBTFUL: Mike Logan (hamstring)
QUESTIONABLE: James Farrior (knee), Willie Parker (ankle), Ben Roethlisberger (knee), Marvel Smith (ankle), Jerame Tuman (ankle)
PROBABLE: Andre Frazier (head), Jerome Bettis (quad), Jerry Porter (knee), Kendall Simmons (knee), Duce Staley (knee), Deshea Townsend (knee)

Baltimore
OUT: Ed Reed (ankle), Ray Lewis (thigh), Keydrick Vincent (thigh)
DOUBTFUL: None
QUESTIONABLE: Dale Carter (thigh), Zach Norton (ankle), Musa Smith (leg), BJ Ward (hip)
PROBABLE: Orlando Brown (back), Samari Rolle (hip), Dan Wilcox (ankle)

Match-ups to Watch

Chris McAlister vs Hines Ward
McAlister and Ward will be fired to go at it for the 2nd time this season in round 2 of their continuous battle. Round 1 was definitely won by Hines Ward who pulled in 8 passes for 75 yards back in week 8. McAlister, who has had a few to many blown coverages for a corner of his caliber this season, needs to bring everything he’s got to try to shutdown Ward and the Steelers passing attack. McAlister’s play will be critical in containing the Steelers offense by stopping them on 3rd downs and smothering Ward in the redzone where he has had 6 touchdown catches this season. Ed Reed will miss his 5th game so McAlister shouldn’t be expecting any help. He needs to bring his A game to this heated rivalry to give the Ravens defense a chance at stopping the Steelers.

Brian Rimpf vs Casey Hampton
Brian Rimpf, a 2004 7th round draft pick out of East Carolina will be making the first start of his career in place of the injured Keydrick Vincent. Unfortunately, there might be no tougher time to make your first start then when you go up against Casey Hampton. Rimpf spent most of last season on the practice squad and has only seemed limited action this season so experience is something that Rimpf doesn’t have. However, he is athletic and plays with a pugnacious personality. Hampton, who is easily one of the best if not the best 3-4 nose tackle in the game has been a headache for the Ravens in the past. Rimpf and center Mike Flynn will have their hands full all day with Hampton and they are going to need to be at their best if they expect the Ravens pathetic running game to amount to anything at all.

Heath Miller vs Will Demps
Back in week 8, Miller burned Demps and the Ravens for 2 touchdowns. Demps is going to need to redeem himself this Sunday or it could be a long day for the Ravens. It seems that without Ed Reed in the secondary, teams aren’t afraid to test the middle of the field with just Demps and Chad Williams back there and Demps has been exposed because of this. Miller has emerged as a clutch receiver for the Steelers, especially in the redzone, which was evident in week 8. The Ravens defense will need a big effort from Demps as he tries to shutdown Miller. Demps cannot have any breakdowns in his coverages, he is going to need to be physical and aggressive in his coverage of talented rookie.

Tommy Maddox vs Ravens Defense (if Maddox is in fact the starter)
The Ravens defense has been painfully lacking in the turnover department this season, especially interceptions. So far this season, the Ravens have only 4 interceptions compared to the 11 that they had at this time last season. In addition, Ed Reed, will be missing his 5th straight game Sunday. Tommy Maddox has struggled in his limited action this season, throwing 3 interceptions, including one that was returned for a touchdown in overtime against the Jaguars. The Steelers will be depending on a mistake free game Maddox if they are forced to depend on him this Sunday. The Ravens defense will be desperate to make some plays, especially against Maddox. The play of Maddox will certainly have a major impact on the outcome of this game.

The Steelers can win if…

Whoever plays quarterback is mistake free and efficient. A Steelers victory could very well depend on the play of either Ben Roethlisberger or Tommy Maddox. Roethlisberger is currently listed as questionable on the injury report, which indicates a 50/50 chance of playing or not. Surely if Roethlisberger is at quarterback, the Steelers will feel much more comfortable, however if Tommy Maddox is forced the play, he is going to need to play efficiently and not make any critical mistakes. The Ravens will need all the help they can get to pull out a victory so the defense will surely pounce on any opportunity possible with Maddox at QB. Maddox must be smart with his throws downfield and he is going to have to have good pocket presence to know when the pressure is coming and when to get rid of the ball. If Maddox can play smart and make a few big plays when it matters most, the Steelers should be able to win this game.

The running game dominates. With a question mark at QB, the Steelers will likely be using a heavy dose of the running game against the battered Ravens defense that will yet again be without its two best players in Ed Reed and Ray Lewis. The Steelers have one of the best offensive lines in the league and a stable of talented and dynamic backs that they will look to take full advantage of. Running the ball effectively will allow the Steelers to control the clock, control the scoreboard and control the game. If the Steelers can dominate at the line of scrimmage and allow their running game to do what it does best, they will make the game much harder on the Ravens, no matter who is playing at quarterback.

The pass rush is effective. Boller has been sacked 7 times in a little over 6 quarters this season. In the Jaguars game, Boller started off 10/11 and was not sacked once in the period. He then went 9/22 with 3 interceptions for the rest of game after being sacked 4 times and hurried on what seemed like every snap. The last thing Boller needs as he tried to prove himself and a constant beating in the pocket. If the Steelers pass rush can get to Boller, they force him to make mistakes and with the Ravens poor running game, the Steelers would also be shutting down the entire Ravens offense in the process.

The Ravens can win if…

The defense can make plays. No matter who is at quarterback, the Ravens defense is going to need to make some plays to give Baltmore any chance at all of winning this game. It would certainly be much easier on the Ravens defense to face Tommy Maddox as compared to Big Ben, but the point is that the defense must play like there is no tomorrow. The defense needs to shut down the Steelers running game and make plays in the passing game. The Ravens have only 4 interceptions this season and only 1 without Ed Reed in the starting lineup. The Ravens defense has also yet to score a touchdown this season, they had 4 at this point in the 2004 season. The worst offense in the league will need all the help they can get from their banged up defense to try to pull off an upset.

The offensive line can control the line of scrimmage. The Ravens offensive line will be the key to the Ravens offense doing anything in this game. They are going to need to do everything they can to open up some running lanes for Jamal Lewis and Chester Taylor, and perhaps more importantly they need to protect Kyle Boller. Boller wont be able to do anything if he is getting pressured, knocked down and sacked all day long. The Ravens running game has been dismal at best this season and if they expect to keep any pressure at all off of Kyle Boller, the line better open some holes for the running game. This is going to be a tough game as it is, so the offensive line must be perfect.

The Ravens special teams are perfect. Stover missed a field goal against the Steelers back in week 8 and with a final score of 20-19, that field goal could have been the difference. The Ravens special teams have also let them down in other games this season whether its from a shanked punt by Dave Zastudil, bad kickoff and punt coverage, or penalities knocking out big returns by BJ Sams. The Steelers have several dangerous return men, especially Randle El and new comer Quincy Morgan. The Ravens special teams coverage cant allow any big returns from these guys. Matt Stover must be perfect in every attempt. Dave Zastudil must pin the Steelers deep when the opportunity arises and it certainly would hurt to get some big plays from BJ Sams returning kicks. The Ravens great play from every aspect of the game, including special teams, to try to sneak out a victory.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

raven5255 - Great evaluation. It all boils down to which D can get to the opponents QB more often because both signal callers are prone to mistakes (after mistakes, after mastakes.......). Who do you think wins this game? I'm going to try and be impartial and say the Ravens will do just enough and win 16-10.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I simply believe the Ravens will win on the fact that Tommy Maddox is more incompetant than Kyle Boller (no offece, I still think Trent is less competant than a monkey). The Ravens defence will hopefully have Ed Reed back cause he really does make a difference on the field.

Not only is he helpful in the pass game, but his run stuffing is quite good for a Safety. I sincerely believe the key to the game is which team is willingly to get the nastiest and are willing to hurt the other player fast enough to win.

That, and I really dont wont the Ravens to have a good draft pick, so go Ravens!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like the support Holcombnite, but unfortunately Ed Reed, in addition to Ray Lewis and Keydrick Vincent will be out for this game. It will be the 5th game Reed has missed this season.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

raven5255 wrote:
I like the support Holcombnite, but unfortunately Ed Reed, in addition to Ray Lewis and Keydrick Vincent will be out for this game. It will be the 5th game Reed has missed this season.


Really? I didnt see him on teh injury report. That is really going to sting. After his breakout year last year, I thought he was going to own face this year. It walways seems to happen. The DPOY always gets injured teh next.

However, you guys are still fairly stable in run defence, although the numbers sometimes do not reflect the actuality. I believe if you can get enough out of guys like Suggs upfront, you could limit them in the running game.

And that means, Tommy Maddox has to make some passes Razz
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yea we really need to stuff the run and force Tommy Maddox to beat us by chucking it deep. Hopefully McAlister and the rest of our secondary are up to the task.

By the way, here is the injury report if your interested:

http://baltimoreravens.com/news/injuryReport.jsp
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

raven5255 wrote:
Yea we really need to stuff the run and force Tommy Maddox to beat us by chucking it deep. Hopefully McAlister and the rest of our secondary are up to the task.

By the way, here is the injury report if your interested:

http://baltimoreravens.com/news/injuryReport.jsp


Wow. Your secondary depth looks banged up beyond belief.

But that is the key right there. If you stop the run, Maddox throws. Ravens wins. Id hate to say the game is as simple as that, but's the damned truth.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm guessing NFL.com got it wrong because Jeff Reed is supposedly after nailing an 83yd FG!
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

azazaz7 wrote:
I'm guessing NFL.com got it wrong because Jeff Reed is supposedly after nailing an 83yd FG!


I hope he can, sooner or later, because Tommy Maddox is leading this offense right down the crapper.

He overthrows Heath Miller and Cedrick Wilson. He underthrew Cedrick Wilson, but Wilson dropped the pass.

Also, the Steelers need to cut Cedrick Wilson and go to Quincy Morgan as their #3 receiver. His attitude annoys me.
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Big7BenROY wrote:
Also, the Steelers need to cut Cedrick Wilson and go to Quincy Morgan as their #3 receiver. His attitude annoys me.


Precisely. He bitches about not getting the ball thrown to him and then he goes and drops a routine catch.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would the Steelers be better with Randle El at QB in the 2nd half? Baltimore clearly don't rate Maddox and are crowding out the run game. El would open up the field because the Ravens can't have gameplanned for him. The only con is that El wouldn't be a receiving threat but he's not going to get the ball with Maddox at QB anyway.
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azazaz7 wrote:
Would the Steelers be better with Randle El at QB in the 2nd half? Baltimore clearly don't rate Maddox and are crowding out the run game. El would open up the field because the Ravens can't have gameplanned for him. The only con is that El wouldn't be a receiving threat but he's not going to get the ball with Maddox at QB anyway.


If they put Antwaan Randle El at QB, I think the Steelers would be marching down the field.

He gives you that dual threat at the QB position, which does help.

If Bill Cowher leaves Tommy Maddox in the game, the Steelers will lose by 14. Mark my words, 14!
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Big7BenROY wrote:
If Bill Cowher leaves Tommy Maddox in the game, the Steelers will lose by 14. Mark my words, 14!


Don't be so pesimistic - they'll only lose by 10!
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