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Who is number 9 on the power poll?

Philadelphia Eagles

31%

[ 31 ]

New England Patriots

[ 1 ]

Baltimore Ravens

[ 8 ]

Indianapolis Colts

[ 1 ]

Carolina Panthers

12%

[ 12 ]

New York Giants

[ 1 ]

Tennessee Titans

16%

[ 16 ]

Arizona Cardinals

27%

[ 27 ]

Pittsburgh Steelers

[ 2 ]

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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 11:52 am Post subject: Pre-Draft Power Poll (10 and 11 are down, 9 is up)

Alright guys, we are going to do one poll a day until we determine FF's unofficial power poll. The poll will include some of the teams that did the worst last season, however, the other option will be available if you believe the teams listed aren't fair enough. We'll start off at number 32, so please state your reasoning as well. If the margin of votes seems unreachable for others, I will cut the poll short and post the team. I will leave each poll to run for at least 24 hours unless for the reason I stated in the previous sentence.

Power Poll (32-1)

32. Detroit Lions (0-16-0)
Detroit votes 53, St. Louis Rams 5, Cleveland Browns 3

Solid, abrupt and relatively quick arguments were made for the case of Detroit being FF's #32 on the power poll. This team just had the worst season in franchise and NFL history. Although some additions have been made in the off-season, there are none too big for Detroit to hang their hat on. Detroit is set-up good in the draft, but I feel it will still be not enough to launch them out of the 32 spot.

cfernandez wrote:

I'm actually having a tough time debating between the Rams and Lions... I guess I'll go with the Lions until they prove they can win a game but I like what Mayhew/Schwartz are doing there.

7Broncos30 wrote:

You can't go 0-16 and be anything else. I think that they can surprise people like the Dolphins did last year, but until proven otherwise, #32.

31. St. Louis Rams (2-14-0)
St. Louis votes 31, Cleveland 21, Cincinnati 11

The rams did finish in the NFL last season with the second worst record (tied with the Chiefs) and after an off-season of losing stud offensive tackle Orlando Pace and long-time Ram receiver Torry Holt, things are not necessarily swaying in their direction right now. The people have spoken, St. Louis Rams are no.31 on FF's unofficial power poll.

rugbytom12 wrote:

I'm gonna have to say the Rams. The Chiefs have done enough this offseason to move ahead of them.

adamq wrote:

31 has to be the Rams.. they were horrid last year, and now Pace and Holt are gone... they will stink.

30. Cleveland Browns (4-12-0)
Cleveland Votes 24, Cincinnati 21, Kansas City 10

I Think the selection in this pick revolves around questioning the entire team. The offense now is in serious doubt after losing tight end Kellen Winslow, the situation with Donte Stallworth, the quarterback situation, new coaching, etc. Offense was looked to be the strong point of this team last season and they showed no "umph" to even score a touchdown in most of the contests that they played. Cleveland has to do some major re-vamping, quick and fast if they wish to compete in a division that hosted two of the AFC's best last year (Baltimore and Pittsburgh).

northernpackfan wrote:

Cleveland. After getting rid of Winslow, and shopping Edwards, all they'll be left with is an over-the-hill RB, and an unproven QB.

It was close for me, but Palmer and the idiot Chad Johnson make Cincinnati more talented than Cleveland.

Add in the hiring of Mangenius and I see Cleveland being a total disaster in 09.

Superman(DH23) wrote:

I voted for the Browns at 31, so I'll stick w/ them at 30. Really not scoring a TD in 7 straight games or whatever it was, and the fact that they're best addition so far this offseason is John St Clair????? (I'm a Bears fan, I understand how pathetic that is) Yeah, I expect them to be picking very early next year.

29. Cincinnati Bengals (4-11-1)
Cincinnati votes 31, Oakland 11, Kansas City 8

Cincinnati has some major questions coming into the 2009 season. After finishing last year with only 4 wins, not a whole lot (if anything) has been done to upgrade the team. The team will get a healthy Carson Palmer back, however, the offensive line is struggling, theres much inconsistency at the running game, and the loss of T.J. Houshmanzadeh will hurt. The defense played sound towards the end of the year last year, but still lacks a lot of talent necessary to be considered better than most other teams. And much like Cleveland, Cincinnati gets to face Baltimore and Pittsburgh twice a year..might as well chalk up two losses there.

super_dude3608 wrote:

Cinncy just has to many holes on both sides of the ball. It's no secret the defense is far below average, and I'm pretty sure the offense was in the bottom 5 last season. Hard to win games like that.

bkobow05 wrote:

I voted for the Cincinnati Bengals.

Outside of Carson Palmer, Chad Johnson, Keith Rivers and their two corners Hall and Joseph they really have nothing to compete with. I could see them being the 2009 version of the Detroit Lions, who in my opinion have more pieces than Cincinnati.

28. Oakland Raiders (5-11-0)
Oakland votes 27, Tampa Bay 16, Kansas City 9

The Oakland Raiders have been a franchise in shambles since their hangover of the Super Bowl in 2002. It just seems whenever the Raiders are going in the right direction, it never translates onto the field. Oakland has some serious questions on offense still. The run game seems to be the only (potential) sure thing Oakland has going for itself. Jamarcus Russell is still in doubt as this will be year no.3 for the quarterback. The defense played well at times last season, but not well enough to compliment its offense by finishing with a 5-11 record. Until Oakland can even prove they are a 'middle of the pack' type of team, they belong here near the bottom of the power poll.

Flaccomania wrote:

I voted the Raiders here. Each year they make moves that look to be moving them in the right direction, and each year we are disappointed. Take last season for example. People were predicting the Raiders as the darkhorse playoff team with the big time acquisitions and draft they had. What happened? They are selecting #7 overall. Eventually all of these high draft picks have to pan out, but who knows when? They have made, again, some moves that seem to be pointing them in the right direction, by suring up those lines a bit. It will take a good draft of trenchmen to allow them to have a solid turn around, but until I see it, I'm remaining skeptical, and vote for them at #28.

scar988 wrote:

Undead Al strikes again. I think the Raiders should win this one at 28. I just don't see where they have improved their team. and Cable at HC? Have fun with that one.

27. Kansas City Chiefs (2-14-0)
Kansas City votes 32, Tampa Bay 17, Seattle 9

After finishing with the league's tied 2nd worst record in 2008, Kansas City has done enough in the off-season to elevate themselves to the 27th position on the power poll. Kansas City has added Matt Cassell to the roster, who prove to be a crucial ingredient to the team's success...or prove to be another set-back. Other pieces such as Bobby Engram will help boost the receiving corps with a veteran edge and adding Mike Vrabel to KC's new switch of the 3-4 is beneficial. However, the team still has major questions hovering over them and until they prove they can win in last year's worst division of football, this is as high as they go.

rugbytom12 wrote:

Kansas City only won 2 games last year. They have definitely gotten better, but they still have plenty of holes to fill. They have a great chance to surprise some people in a weak division. But they still have to prove they can be better.

mob16151 wrote:

I went with the chiefs at 31 and I'll go with them again here. There making a major defensive switch going from a 4-3 cover 2 scheme to a 4-3 3-4 hybrid. They have a first time headcoach. They're offensive philosophy is changing from the spread they ran last year to a more traditionally balanced attack. They're star RB is unhappy and wants out of town. And they're pinning a lot of their offensive hopes on a guy in Matt Cassel who's had 1 good season playing football......ever.

26. Tampa Bay Buccaneers (9-7-0)
Tampa Bay votes 28, Seattle Seahawks 18, San Francisco 49ers 8

Tampa Bay is clearly in rebuild mode and rebuilding hasn't proven to be an overnight success. Tampa Bay has released several key veterans in wake of their rebuilding phase and in no way will this benefit their team. Although Tampa Bay was a 9-7 team last year, it seems that they will be contending for last place in their division. Tampa Bay has to deal with the returning NFC south Champs (Carolina Panthers) and the improving Falcons and Saints. A tough road will be ahead for this team in a very competitive division. So with all the losses and new additions to come, it's very hard to say Tampa Bay will be successful...especially at the quarterback position in doubt.

tom cody wrote:

Tampa Bay, the team took a huge step backward this off-season and unless they have a heck of a draft they'll be having a poor season.

seacards12 wrote:

Tampa Bay is rebuilding, don't expect them to have a good year. I think they are worse off than the Raiders.

25. San Francisco 49ers (7-9-0)
San Francisco votes 30, Seattle Seahawks 21, Jacksonville Jaguars 15

Despite San Francisco's late success last season under coach Mike Singletary, San Francisco is unable to crack the top 20 but for several arguable reasons. Arguably the biggest issue with this team is the offense aside from stud runningback, Frank Gore. The quarterback position is still something in the works and someone will be needed to elevate this team. Also, Isaac Bruce filled in admirably last season at receiver, however, he's not the long term answer nor the true no.1 target they may be looking for. Defensively this team is getting there led by stud linebacker Patrick Willis. Overall, there is much hope and promise for this young team, however, San Francisco hasn't proven to the league to get over this hump they've been on for close to the last decade.

TankWilliams wrote:

I'll have to go with the 49ers. Although Singletary is the new HC, it will probably take him a year to get the niners to do anything worthwhile. They have too many needs to be in contention for the playoffs, or a winning record, this season.

RBrown86 wrote:

I'll go with the 49ers. Outside of Gore, they have few playmakers and a handful of unproven QB's in the mix. Their defense can be potentially strong, but they still have some weak gaps and a physical but slow secondary. They are a few years away from contention. If they want success in the short term, they need to find an answer at quarterback and lock up a few more playmakers.

24. Seattle Seahawks (4-12-0)
Seattle Seahawks votes 33, Jacksonville 32, Denver Broncos 17

This was the closest poll we've had yet. As Jacksonville edged out Seattle here to not land themselves at the 24th spot. Seattle was a team last year decimated by several injuries, particularly on the offense. Overall, if the team can return healthy next season, Seattle should be able to put themselves back into a contending state. A little addition to the defense may sure things up for them. The addition of receiver T.J. Houshmanzadeh will be a larger impact than most people think. However, Seattle must prove they can bounce back from a largely disappointing season, until they can do that (or have an amazing draft), Seattle finds themselves at no.24

23. Jacksonville Jaguars (5-11-0)
Jacksonville votes 34, Denver 30, NY Jets 7

Jacksonville finished with the 7th worse record last year (tied with Oakland) and have moved themselves up a few spots on the power poll where they would originally be (if the power poll was generated solely by draft position). Jacksonville was a major disappointment last season, some could be accused on injuries, the run game inability, shaky defense, etc. Fact of the matter is here that Jacksonville is better than this and we know it (we've seen it from them the last several seasons). However, Jacksonville did lose Fred Taylor and that may prove to be a potential blow to the offense but on the flip side, The Jags acquired offensive tackle Tra Thomas from Philly. It will be interesting to see what Jacksonville can do to rebound this season, but until they do, they land themselves at no.23.

NFLdraftGURU wrote:

I voted Jacksonville.

No WR's, mediocre QB, no everydown back, poor line, and minimal defensive talent.

tom cody wrote:

Jacksonville is my choice here for the third poll in a row.

22. Denver Broncos (8-8-0)
Denver votes 30, NY Jets 7, Chicago 5

The major question surrounding the entire success of this team (and franchise) is the situation with quarterback Jay Cutler. Jay and the head coach did not get along at all right off the bat and that, in my opinion, has already spelled trouble for this franchise. Expect more of this drama to continue, especially if a loss occurs to Denver in the regular season. Another reason why Denver is 22, despite having a .500 record last season, is thier defense. Denver ranked 29th in total defense and allowed 448 total points, which is a dreadful 28ppg. Although the defense is switching to a 3-4 scheme, with the already now personnel, it still looks very questionable. Couple their defense with the Cutler situation, you have a potential ticking time bomb.

Flaccomania wrote:

I think it's gotta be the Broncos here. Last season, their defense was atrocious. The only thing keeping in the games was their offensive fire power, and with the Cutler situation still up in the air, I think they are the pick here. They took a nose dive at the end of last season, and I think it will continue into the beginning of this season.

CharlestonChad wrote:

I voted the Broncos here. They found this to be the year the defense was so atrocious that making a switch to 3-4 had almost no risk factor. They are taking guys they added from the last 5 years for the 43, and either converting them to the 34 or replacing them with aging backups. First year coach McDaniels is following the Bellicheck pattern and giving no special treatment to the starts. Unfortunately, this backfired because he had not earned the respect of his star QB. Then he had to spend the better part of a month passively apologizing to Cutler.

21. Buffalo Bills (7-9-0)
Buffalo votes 20, Chicago 13, NY Jets 10

While many believe Terrell Owens will be a large impact on the offense, it is not certain. Wherever he goes he certainly produces, but how long will it take until some sort of drama episode happens? That aside, Buffalo is still in position to be in last in their division. Their defense is average and there are still some glaring questions on offense. Trent Edwards (or whoever the starter will be) is still very shaky. Marshawn Lynch has alos had some problems of his own. But ultimately, Buffalo has much to work on if they wish to contend in a very competitive division. With Brady returning to the pats, the Jets seemingly getting better on defense, and division winner Miami still defending their crown, Buffalo has a lot of ground to make up. However, they are a young talented team that could wow some this season.

texans_uk wrote:

The pick has to be Buffalo, one of toughest divisions, with all the other teams looking much stronger. TO won't like being #2, Trent Edwards is on his last life and has to produce. Marshawn might by suspended for a bunch of games too. Another below average season

mob16151 wrote:

I put my beloved bills here......because this is where we've finished the last 2 years.

20. New York Jets (9-7-0)
New York votes 25, Washington 17, GB and NO 14

With the arrival of a new coach, its always hard to transition to success right away (or so, disproved last season). Favre has retired and this puts the starting job in Kellen Clemons hands. No one is sure how he will react to the starting job, if he'll succeed or fail. Losing a receiver like Lavernous Coles will already make Clemon's job a bit tougher. However, this team is getting better defensively and acquiring a defensive master mind like Rex Ryna will boost this defense immediately. The Jets will be an interesting team to watch this season in a very, very competitive AFC east.

burr wrote:

I voted for the Jets here. They have a new coach and some big question marks at the QB position. If Jenkins could play a full year at his best play then I would probably have them higher, but he has not shown me that he has that capability yet.

Burr

mob16151 wrote:

I went with the jets.........defensive dominance + offensive mediocrity=suck.

At this point Trent Dilfer would be an upgrade over the jets current qb situation. Thomas Jones is 30 in real people years. He's like 45 in football years. There recievers are either slow skinny or inconsistent. And I believe i mentioned it but let me say it again. Its the same offense that sucked the last 6 games of last year.......and now they're minus Farve, a guy who will be missed more than most jets fan's seem to realize.

19. Green Bay Packers (6-10-0)
Green Bay Votes 25, Washington 25, Houston 11

After coming off their sensational '07-'08 campaign, Aaron Rodgers assumed the role as quarterback and the predecessor to Brett Favre's thrown. Despite Rodgers playing very well, problems still loomed all over this team, with many of them being defensive and the inability to close out games. Green Bay is still a very talented team and it will be interesting to see how the switch from the 4-3 to 3-4 goes. I personally believe the Packers will have a more promising campaign in 2009 versus last season. But again, I believe the team's success solely lays on the defensive transition.

Raves wrote:

I had to go with Green Bay. I'm still not sold on their running game and their defense will be suspect as they make the transition to the 3-4 and could be a real big let down for them.

TankWilliams wrote:

I like Green Bay here. They are switching to the 3-4 but don't have the right players.

18. Washington Redskins (8-8-0)
Washington votes 25, Green Bay 25, Houston 11

Washington finished last in a yet again, rather competitive NFC East last season. Washington may have just acquired a large piece to their defensive puzzle in the free agency singing of defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth. However, the team from time-to-time has made a lot of free agency splashes in where they haven't gotten over the hump the last several years. This team is playoff team ready, in my opinion, and should show to be a worthy NFC East contender this season. However, the rest of the defense must fall into place and play very well in this division. Also, the solid play of Jason Campbell must be better than solid if they wish to seriously contend for a divsion title or playoff appearance.

JaguarCrazy2832 wrote:

Give me Washington.

QB and WR questions now and still O-line and D-Line issues

DanFS#7 wrote:

I went with the Redskins, but also considered Texans for this spot.

There are so many intriguing things about the Redskins, and they almost always add some quality/high profiled free agents. But at the same time there are too many questionmarks and in a tough division, I see them having a rollercoaster ride like season, as they will look amazing in some games and then not so much in other games as we saw this year.

17. New Orleans Saints (8-8-0)
New Orleans votes 26, Houston 22, Chicago 18

While offense is not a problem for the Saints (at least in the passing game), the issue with this team still resides on the defense. However, bringing in some players like Darren Sharper may boost the secondary this season for New Orleans. But how much does Sharper have left in the tank necessarily? The Saints still find themselves in a tough division where they finished in 3rd with a .500 record. Until this team proves it can play defense, they will have to settle for being right around the middle of the pack.

RBrown86 wrote:

I'm going with the Saints here. They still have a shaky defense, and they play in a very tough division. Don't believe in them just because of Brees and their offense. Football is a team game, and the defensive side of the ball down in the big easy is in for a rough ride.

awesomeberger wrote:

New Orleans. Houston hasn't been a losing team since 2006, and while the Saints might have more potential with an explosive offense, they have more holes than the Texans, and also need to not only stay healthier, but also gel more on both sides of the ball. Houston will very likely end up 8-8 or better in 2009 once again, barring major injury, and have a ton of upside. New Orleans is a bunch of question marks besides Drew Brees.

16. Houston Texans (8-8-0)
Houston votes 31, Chicago 17, Miami 6

Houston is a team that is very young and very talented. The pieces are starting to finally come together for this team and had a very strong finish to last season. However, with all the hype this team still faces some adversity. For one, they are in a tough division where they have to try and overcome opponents such as Tennessee and Indianapolis. Secondly, we hype this team seemingly every year and they still finish around the middle of the pack. Until this team proves it can be a contender in its division, they will fail to make the playoffs. But on a positive note, this team has an explosive offensive with arguably the best receiving weapon in the NFL in Andre Johnson.

JaguarCrazy2832 wrote:

Texans have to go here.

Amazing Offense, Underated QB, but the defense(although has many strong pieces) leaves much to be desired at times.

dsorc wrote:

As much as I would love for the Texans to end up #1, this is probably around where we should go. I voted Chicago since I think they're about the same level as us and we did beat them last year. But until our defense proves itself, it's going to be though to rise from mediocrity. 16 is not that bad. Playoffs are within reach at 16, and after 2 straight seasons at 8-8 that should be the goal for this team.

15. Chicago Bears (9-7-0)
Chicago votes 37, Miami 14, San Diego 8

Chicago made arguably the biggest off-season move recently in acquiring quarterback Jay Cutler from the Denver Broncos. Also, additions such as Orlando Pace may heavily increase this team's chances of succeeding well in a mediocre division. However, will Cutler fit in right away? And if he does, will he get along with everybody there? Does Orlando Pace have enough still left tin the tank? Is the defense starting to regress? All these questions have left Chicago sitting at no.14, but let's be honest, 15 isn't bad by any means. There seems to be a lot of high-risk, high-reward things going on in Chicago right now. But personally in my opinion (as a Vikings fan), this team just set themselves up to take back control of the NFC North with getting Jay Cutler.

Flaccomania wrote:

Bears here. Too many questions marks. Can Cutler fit in well with the new offense? Who's going to be catching his passes? Is the defense still as solid as it once was?

Yfz01 wrote:

The Vikings should not have this many votes. They are a top ten team. Our QB situation isn't good but it's better then last year - we had Gus Frerrote starting on our team! Doesn't get much worse then that.

I'd say the Bears - I do not understand how they won so many games last year.

14. Miami Dolphins (11-5-0)
Miami votes 24, San Diego 18, Minnesota 13

Miami was the surprise team of the year last year. Who would have thought? Going from the worst record in the NFL a year ago (1-15) to winning their division with an 11-5 record, truly amazing. Much can be credited to the new coaching, perhaps the wildcat? Jake Long, Chad Pennington and others. This team was very efficient last season but at the same time didn't hold the greatest of talent in the world. A large stereotype for this team is that they over achieved for their talent level. Although that may be true, the fact is, they stood alone on top in their division. However, with the return of Tom Brady to New England's line-up, Miami will be heavily challenged against them among their other two opponents in a surprising, tough division.

marshawn lynch wrote:

Miami. They are a bit overrated and they are just worse then the other teams left. Dolphins are a good team but they need another year or two to compete with the Pats. They have a strong Running game and passing game, along with a strong defense but they are still young.

Jbintliff wrote:

Gotta go with the Phins here.... their division is super tough, and I beleive teams will figure the wildcat out

13. San Diego Chargers (8-8-0)
San Diego votes 21, Atlanta 20, Dallas 17

San Diego made a terrific push late in the season to elevate them to a earned spot in the AFC divisional game against Pittsburgh. Although San Diego proved to get hot at the right time, still many wondered why it hadn't so much earlier in the season. Before their turn around, San Diego was 4-8 and virtually seemed eliminated from the playoffs. This team is much like Dallas in my opinion. It has all the talent in the world to do some great things but it never translates out onto the field, or at least it seemed so this last season. However, San Diego is back and will get premiere linebacker Shawn Merriman back in action. This team has a lot going for them, but they must prove they can once again tangle with the big boys.

Colt45fool wrote:

I'm taking the Chargers here. Norv Turner is still the head coach, and that team has never lived up to its potential....

Jbintliff wrote:

The Chargers should be next because even though they have made the playoffs almost every years since Phillip Rivers. However making the playoffs at an 8-8 record is not impressive at all with the division they play in, arguably the worst division in football. However this year the Raiders and Chiefs have improved alot so it will be exciting to see how their year rolls out

12. Atlanta Falcons (11-5-0)
Atlanta votes 31, Dallas 29, Minnesota 16

Atlanta was another team last year that rose from the ashes, much like Miami. None of us thought that this team would have performed like they did last season in their 'rebuilding' year. Turns out, the rebuilding appeared to be complete. Matt Ryan is a franchise lock and the Falcons fed off of the amazing play of ex-Charger runningback, Michael Turner. Atlanta achieved but may have overachieved a little on defense, at least in my opinion. If they can duplicate last season's success and dodge injuries like they did last year..it's likely to think this team will finish around the same record again if not better. Overall, Atlanta is a young team on the rise but may have a few more holes to fill up before making a potential climb to win back the division.

Oildrum wrote:

I voted for the Falcons. While their offense should be decent, I think that their defense survived on smoke-and-mirrors last season, and with their schedule toughening up, they will crash hard. They finished 24th in yards per game, but 11th in ppg. Now you can say that this is a "bend but don't break" defense at its best, but I don't see the talent on the defensive side of the ball for them to continue their surprising performance against a tougher schedule.

jetsfan2213 wrote:

I went with the Falcons, because their game is too dependant on Michael Turner. When he runs for 90+, the falcons are 9-0...but when he runs for less than 90, they were 2-6.

11. Dallas Cowboys (9-7-0)
Dallas votes 47, Minnesota 37, Carolina 5

Dallas is a very talented team, however, the team has never been able to translate their talent level into a successful franchise these last few years. I think many people have a tough time deciding whether or not if the release of Terrell Owens is a good thing. Yes he's one of the most talented receivers in the game, but wherever he goes..drama seems to follow. This team has all the tools to be a successful team but they need a leader who can step up and voice their words in the locker room. But when you have an explosive offense and a very talented defense with players such as Terrance Newman and Demarcus Ware..it's hard to place this team any lower.

JDLefebvre wrote:

Should be Dallas!

They self destructed last year, didn't make the playoffs and let go of their best WR (although I agree with the move). The haven't added anyone significant.

boondock wrote:

I vote the Cowboys. A lot of questions with that organization right now. The release of TO was a good thing for the maturity of Romo, now the question is who is going to step up and be the dynamic WR that Romo needs? Or are the Cowboys going to be a 3 headed running monster with Barber, Jones, and Choice?

10. Minnesota Vikings (10-6-0)
Minnesota votes 37, Carolina 5, four-way tie 3

Minnesota finally compiled a season last year to win over the NFC North. However, the expectations for this team was much higher. And after an early exit from the playoffs, the looming problem once again resurfaced. Quarterback. This team has the defense, arguably the best runningback in the league in Adrian Peterson, but it seems the play of quarterback has been the bulk of the problem. As I said last year, they'll only go as far as our quarterback can take us. Notably, I will say the same thing this year. However though, as I said, the defense is what really bailed Minnesota out in situations last year and the play of Adrian Peterson was great. Coaching has also been questionable with Childress, this may be his last shot this year if he cannot turn it around and learn how to coach on game day.

thisnamesucks wrote:

Vikings. i don't care how good the RB's are and defense can be. until they have a QB that's capable of at least being a bus driver i don't think i'd have them even rated this high, and no i don't think Sage Rosenfels is really the answer at QB. i'd have probably rated them between 15-18 personally

after the Vikings should be Cowboys, Panthers, Eagles and Cards. i really don't think it matters which order they get voted in either 'cause they're all pretty equal IMO

TheRealBigTimer wrote:

I've gotta take the Vikings here too. I love the team, however, I want proof that Tarvaris Jackson can at least manage the game for Adrian Peterson and the defense. If Jackson can play the way he did at the end of last year and prove that he wasn't a fluke after coming off the bench, then they are a top 5 team easily... that said, if not, they can influx anywhere else in the top 10-15 if he doesn't perform up to speed. That team is talented in so many aspects of the game, and as long as you have Peterson, you've got a chance.

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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 11:57 am Post subject:

I have to go with Tennessee here again, for reasons stated in the last several polls. Outside the running game, this offense is mediocre at best.

Kerry Collins? Vince Young? I'm not so sure these guys can do anything but manage the game. And to boot, the receivers aren't glamorous either.

The Defense is very well off, but how well off are they going to be without their best player in Albert Haynesworth?

Tennessee still finds themselves in a very competitive division, and I don't see them going above and beyond this year like they did last.
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How about having #3 ranked defense and the #6 ranked offense last year?

That doesn't do it for you?

1. As for the tackles, they were both in their mid-30s. Gotta get younger. Todd Herremans and Shawn Andrews will fill in fine in the tackle spots.

2. Desean already had an amazing rookie year with 900+ yds; more than what most people probably expected. Curtis and Reggie were both hurt for a while in the beginning of the year; they will get to play from the beginning. As for weapons, I have no doubt that Andy Reid will draft some more weapons for McNabb. Despite all of this, somehow, this "weapon-lacking" team still averaged 26 pts/game good for 6th most in the league.

3. Westbrook still produced despite being hurt. He had a career high 9 rushing TD's with 14 total TD's. The FO also picked up Leonard Weaver to pave the way, and another offensive threat.

4. The division didn't really get better by that much. The Cowboys didn't do anything notable, except let TO go. No one knows what effect this will have. The Redskins, no matter how much overpriced talent Daniel Snyder tries to buy, they still manage to be mediocre. The battle of the NFC East, the way I see it, is going to come down between the Eagles and the Giants. The Giants have lost Plaxico, who was truly an Eagles-killer and Derrick Ward, who was part of the three-headed monster and one of their two 1,000-yard rushers. They added some nice D-line depth, and are supposedly getting Braylon Edwards aka Mr. Butterfingers to try and fill in the void Plax left.

Who were the top two teams in the NFC East last year?
1)Giants
2)Eagles

After all this, if you're telling me that the Eagles aren't a Top 10 team, then I don't what else I can tell you to convince you otherwise.

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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 12:29 pm Post subject:

Got to go with the Titans. Big Happy said it all

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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 12:37 pm Post subject:

Encore wrote:

Got to go with the Titans. Big Happy said it all

Alas, someone understands. Very Happy

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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 12:48 pm Post subject:

Nope Eagles without Dawkins and Buckhalter get the vote
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Do I blame the Steelers for this? No but I'm not happy with the value looks like a Pirate trade.

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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 12:54 pm Post subject:

BigHappy wrote:

So you think that the Baltimore Ravens have a better offense and defense?

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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 1:00 pm Post subject:

x Vince Young x wrote:

BigHappy wrote:

So you think that the Baltimore Ravens have a better offense and defense?

It was a really tough division actually. When I look at these two teams I really don't see much of a difference. I just like Flacco's chances over Kerry Collin's chances. I'm not a huge Flacco fan, but I think he has more going for him..in terms of weapons anyway.
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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 1:02 pm Post subject:

x Vince Young x wrote:

BigHappy wrote:

So you think that the Baltimore Ravens have a better offense and defense?

They did last January! Wink

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Dracula58 wrote:

Do I blame the Steelers for this? No but I'm not happy with the value looks like a Pirate trade.

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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 1:07 pm Post subject:

JDLefebvre wrote:

Nope Eagles without Dawkins and Buckhalter get the vote

Those are your reasons for the Eagles. That's some weak sauce right there.

1. Dawk is going to be 36, and unfortunately, his time is coming to an end as much as I LOVE THE GUY! Dawkins couldn't cover anybody anymore. He essentially became a 4th LB for us for most of the year.

We have Quentin Demps coming back in his 2nd year to take the FS spot. Dude is gonna be a ball-hawk.

But, if for some reason he doesn't work out, we also have 6 year veteran Sean Jones.

Career Highlights:

Ranks 3rd among all NFL safeties since 2006 with 14 INTs behind Ed Reed (21) and Oshiomogho Atogwe (16).
Is one of just 4 NFL players to have at least 4 INTs in each of the last 3 seasons (Ed Reed, Asante Samuel, Charles Woodson)

2. Buckhalter will be 31 years old this season, who has had a long history of injuries, and has been let go because of age, and so he can get his chance to possibly become a starter elsewhere(or at least more carries).

No doubt, Andy will be drafting a fresh, young RB from anywhere in the 1st to the 3rd, ranging from Knowshon, Shady, Donald Brown, Rashad Jennings, Shonn Greene.

One of these young guys will be taken, and it'll be nicer to start off with a young, fresh rook with fresh legs coming into the league than a 31 year-old RB with a long injury history.
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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 1:11 pm Post subject:

I have to go Panthers....for the 2nd time Shocked

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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 1:12 pm Post subject:

jonu62882 wrote:

JDLefebvre wrote:

Nope Eagles without Dawkins and Buckhalter get the vote

Those are your reasons for the Eagles. That's some weak sauce right there.

1. Dawk is going to be 36, and unfortunately, his time is coming to an end as much as I LOVE THE GUY!

We have Quentin Demps coming back in his 2nd year to take the FS spot. Dude is gonna be a ball-hawk.

But, if for some reason he doesn't work out, we also have 6 year veteran Sean Jones.

Career Highlights:

Ranks 3rd among all NFL safeties since 2006 with 14 INTs behind Ed Reed (21) and Oshiomogho Atogwe (16).
Is one of just 4 NFL players to have at least 4 INTs in each of the last 3 seasons (Ed Reed, Asante Samuel, Charles Woodson)

2. Buckhalter will be 31 years old this season, who has had a long history of injuries, and has been let go because of age, and so he can get his chance to possibly become a starter elsewhere(or at least more carries).

No doubt, Andy will be drafting a fresh, young RB from anywhere in the 1st to the 3rd, ranging from Knowshon, Shady, Donald Brown, Rashad Jennings, Shonn Greene.

One of these young guys will be taken, and it'll be nicer to start off with a young, fresh rook with fresh legs coming into the league than a 31 year-old RB with a long injury history.

OK but regardless I would have picked them in this spot
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Do I blame the Steelers for this? No but I'm not happy with the value looks like a Pirate trade.

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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 1:22 pm Post subject:

JDLefebvre wrote:

jonu62882 wrote:

JDLefebvre wrote:

Nope Eagles without Dawkins and Buckhalter get the vote

OK but regardless I would have picked them in this spot

Oh, and did I forget to mention, we had the #3 defense and #6 offense, made an appearance in the NFC Championship for the 5th time this decade, and were one of the few teams who physically manhandled the Super Bowl Champs?
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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 1:23 pm Post subject:

BigHappy wrote:

x Vince Young x wrote:

BigHappy wrote:

So you think that the Baltimore Ravens have a better offense and defense?

Ok, I can understand what you are saying. I would also take Flacco ahead of Collins, but the Titans OLine and run game is much better than the Ravens, but that is just me, of course I am a Titans fan also so...

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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 1:29 pm Post subject:

Finally the Eagles are leading the poll.
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