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Who will be the Jets first round pick in the 2006 Draft?
QB Vince Young: Texas
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QB Matt Leinart: USC
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QB Marcus Vick: Virginia Tech
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RB Reggie Bush: USC
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RB DeAngelo Williams: Memphis
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OT Eric Winston: Miami
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 9:23 pm    Post subject: Jets in the long run Reply with quote

I have just read a very interesting article in the newspaper about Reggie Bush. After the Trojans rout against Stanford, he openly said he would love to go to New York. With an aging Curtis Martin, Bush wouldn't be such a bad idea although we have many holes to fill in our offense through the draft. Bush would be an exciting playmaker for the Jets and give the lackluster offense new life. I think we definitely could fill our offensive line needs in the free agency. Leinart is a great decision but will probably go to the Cardinals. Sports analysts have already said they don't believe Leinart will be successful in the pros(though I beg to differ and think he is the next, maybe better Carson Palmer). Coles will come through at wideout I promise you. Coles had a better breakout year than Moss. Coles had 15 more receptions and 159 more yards though Moss had twice as many TDs(10). We also lost one of the best special teams players in the game when we traded Moss but Bush is an excellent return specialist that could give us a breathtaking, no risk of fumbles ability at punt returner. We must be careful not to wear him out, and that's where Derrick Blaylock and Cedric Houston come in. As with the QB situation, I dream of having Philip Rivers because I think he is a special player that has the talent and potential to be a superstar. But as much as I like Rivers, Abraham is more important. He is a playmaker through and through and what Coach Edwards said, "He can win the game for you" is certainly not an understatement. But what about Shaun Ellis. Sure he has a "perfect attendance" shall we say, but he is not nearly as explosive as Abraham. He is a lot of money and it could take pressure off our salary cap. Whether it is Abraham or Ellis leaving the team, we have Brian Thomas, our ex-first round draft pick waiting to prove himself. To the QB situation, Pennington is not the young 26 year old he was in 2002. He is now 30 and injury prone, never playing a full season in his career. I think one more chance would be risky but senseable. People doubt he could play these days but he put up great numbers in 2004 before tearing that rotator cuff in Buffalo. One more chance for him to prove himself and show he's worth $64 million and that he is truly the franchise quarterback. To our defense now. Henderson's unit is 30th in the league against the run, probably because of the loss of NT Ferguson and injury to LB Barton. Drafting a DT in the 2nd round of the 2006 draft sounds reasonable. Legree is a waste of precious cap space and should be cut. But beyond stats, our front eight on the defensive side of the ball is tremendous. Robertson is only 24 and beginning to show improvement. It is only a matter of time before he breaks out. Vilma is undoubtedly the best performing player in 2005 for this team. Any doubts in my mind of drafting him instead of LB D.J. Williams are long gone out of my head. He is truly the best draft pick to come out in years with the Jets. He is certainly having no sophomore slump and has the talent and potential to be the next Ray Lewis in the near future. Not only has he been fighting off blocks with the loss of Ferguson and still making 97 tackles as of November 9th, but he also has an interception and a forced fumble. He will be the team MVP and earn a trip to Hawaii. Him, Hobson, Coleman, Robertson, Strait, and Miller are definitely the future look of the defense in the next few years. And I think kicker Mike Nugent will eventually come through for all those with doubts on him. Now my question is who will the New York Jets draft, QBs Vince Young or Marcus Vick, RBs Reggie Bush or DeAngelo Williams, or OT Eric Winston. I can't get a definite answer out of anybody and would love to hear your thoughts and opinions. Also if anyone has thoughts, agreements, or disagreements with my opinions in this quote, I would love to hear them because it is important to me to know this organizations future. Respond ASAP.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 3:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

we really need a rb so i think that we should get DeAngelo Williams. If Bush is available take him but i doubt that. the jets schedule for the rest of the year is tough so i say we win one game at Miami. we go 3-13 and get 4th pick(texans, Packers, 49ers). We will either get a RB or an OT. I'd prefer to take the RB becuz the jets need a playmaker and the OT wont do it. the jets usually have a good draft so all we really need is an Olinemen, RB, DT, and a WR. moss was ten times better than coles was even though coles had better stats moss never caught the ball. Last year i thinkl he caught the ball around 40 times and he still had 825 yards around. he is doin the same this year except he is getting the ball more. Thats all we needed to do. we need a new oline from free agency i think and maybe lendale white in the second round if we get an OT or DT in the 1st
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I def agree with everything you said shavedaeyebrow2 with the exception of moss being better than coles. I seem to be defending coles a lot lately but I think that trade was good for both teams. Moss is def more explosive than coles but I still don't like his game that much. He doesn't go over the middle or make many tough catches. I don't think i've ever seen him make a catch where I was like "wow." He's good in space and is a deep threat but I prefer WR who can do it all. Coles isn't quite the deep threat but makes up for it in toughness and he can make catches that have a high degree of difficulty. And I also think Coles is more consistent. So I don't think we need to worry about WR right now. We have much bigger problems.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2005 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also agree coles is the better reciever, but its clear that moss is more explosive, and the redskins play calling is way superior to that of hackets and dingers combine. Coles is fast, theres no question hes got breakaway speed but the jets simply dont call plays to utilize it.

As far as the future, well heres how i think the jets need to go. They need a QB. Not a scrub from another team whose on the bench, they need an arm, and a field general. I predict the jets at 3-13 which could range there pick from 2-4, if they dont win another game well then they have #1 or #2 definatly. IF and only IF leinart is available, i think they should take him. That makes the future alot brighter. With the Jets over the cap they need to make cuts and trades. Ellis is worht a 1st round pick for a team who needs a solid defensive starter. That wil free up cap room, and allow the Jets to make a play at a running back late in the draft. Possibly Lendale white. Also abraham could be resigned. Next the Jets need to release ty law. Miller an Strait can step in and play well, law is old and he has shown to be very strong and coverage but a horrible tackler. Martin has been a pleasure to have the past 7 years but im afraid his time is over. Pennington too. Either he takes a massive pay cut, or he can find himself a new job. I honestly wish we could trade him for a second round pick if we could get that high. Fabini will also be gone. He just cant handel anyone anymore. This will free up enough cap room to make a play at new free agent OL, and allow the jets to sign a qb and running back if they can draft them. Having leinart and lendale white would be a dream, and the offensive line is very fixable. DT is also a concern. I would like to see the jets get a 2nd round DT. I dont think all the problems this team has a fixable in the offseason. If they can get a good qb, and first round rb, without the expense of more then ellis or abraham then they are in good shape. Unfortunatly our GM is horrible, so prepare for the worst offseason in history. I hate to say it but Bradway is the problem, its not herm. Bradway makes the worst Gm i have ever seen who panics on draft day. The guy has no back up plans and makes the worst deals. I wouldnt be surprised if he trades the first round pick for an OT or something like he did last year for Jolley. Brace yourselfs jets fans, its going to get even uglier, im very sorry to say.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2005 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yea I agree. I don't like our GM. He makes bad moves. Here's what we need to do. We should just lose all the game for the rest of the Season, there's no point in trying to win any games because we all know that the Jets' season is over. So we need to finish 2-14 and try to get a top 5 pick (which i'm 90% sure will happen) then we need to draft Matt Leinart. The reason we need Leinart is because our other options are Patrick Ramsey, Matt Shaub, or Phillip Rivers. I don't trust these guys because they all sit on the bench and did not play well enough in College to be drafted as a top 10 pick in 1st round in the draft. Phillip Rivers was drafted 4th overall by the Giants but he didn't deserve it. He was supose to go somewhere between the 10th pick and 20th. The only reason the Giants drafted him was to set up the Eli Manning trade with the Chargers. Everyone needs to understand that when you want to go out and get yourself a Franchise QB to the your QB of the future, you want to make sure you get the BEST possible QB that you can get. And at this point... the BEST possible QB that we can get is Matt Leinart. He's going to be much better than Patrick Ramsey, Phillip Rivers, and Matt Shaub. In fact, he going to be much better than Alex Smith and Arron Rodgers also. He's one of the best QB's to come out of college in many years. The last 2 QB's that were drafted that are going to be successfull in the NFL were Eli Manning and Big Ben Rothlisburger. It's very hard and very rare to find a QB who you know will be successfull in the NFL. That's why I think we should not waste our time and draft Matt Leinart. If the Texans and 49ers pick before the Jets.... the 49ers will take Reggie Bush and the Texans will either take an offensive linemen, wide reciever, or defensive player. They don't need a QB or running back. David Carr is very good if he has a good offensive line and Dominick Davis is there Running back for the next 4 or 5 years. The 49ers have Alex Smith and there's no chance that they will pass on Reggie Bush... everyone is 100% sure they will get Bush. That leaves Leinart for the Jets. Then I think we should grab a DT in the 2nd round. Our offensive line can be fixed with free agency. There are good offensive linemen available every single year in free agency. That should be no problem. I really want to draft Lendale White before somebody else takes him. I agree with you when you said having Matt Leinart and Lendale White on the Jets team would be a dream. That would create one of the best QB - RB - WR Group in the NFL. With Matt Leinart, Lendale White, and Laverneous Coles, we would actually have playmakers on offense. Obviously we will have to make some cuts or make some trades to free up salary cap space. But that won't be a problem.

Ohh and I think the Salary Cap increases every year. I think it goes up by $5 Million every year. So I think we will have extra money to keep some of our players in we won't have to make many cuts. Right now the salary cap for the NFL is at $85 Million I think. I think this offseason it will go up to $90 Million or $95 Million. If that happens, we can keep all of our talent. Right now we have about $4 in cap space left. It can be up to $9 this offseason if the NFL increases the Cap. If this happens, we only need to Cut Lance Legree and James Reed, Cut a few old guys from our offensive line. And we'll be fine. I think Ty Law might not be cut because he's gauranteed to much money. He's getting $6 million a year.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2005 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I truly am hoping to get leinart. But as ive said im all about completely gutting this team, and replacing old slow guys with younger faster guys, as they did in 2004 after the 2003 season. I really dont think herm is the problem. its that the offense is old and slow, and we need a run stuffer. Hopefully Bradway sees that ellis and pennington are taking too much cap room up, and a possible trade should not be over looked. they really should just try and start players for the rest of this season who they think are going to be apart of next years revamped team. Maybe even try to run Cedric Houston a little more, just to get a feel. Maybe well find a starter somewhere on the bench. But if the Jets are 2-14 i can garentee a top 3 pick. i would much rather the number 1 overall pick however because if the texans get the first pick, i can garentee they trade down. so hopefully greenbay san fran and houston start winnning some games for the jets sake.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2005 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yea I hope we can find some starters that are sitting on the bench right now. I don't know about Sione Pouha... our 3rd round pick this year out of Utah. He's huge.. 6'03" 325 Pounds. But I don't think he will develop into a starter. I think the Jets drafted him to add some depth to the DT or NT position. I really want Jerricho Cotchery to be our number 3 Slot reciever. He played well in college and I heard he broke some of Torry Holt's records at North Carolina State. In my opinion, that's good enough to get a chance to prove that you can be a starter. He was our 3rd round pick last year. Also I don't know about our right tackle Adrian Jones... he's only 296 pounds. The Jets have the lightest offensive line in the NFL in terms of total combined weight for all 5 guys on the offensive line. We need some BIG guys to become our new starers on the O-line, but i think that can be taken care of with free agency. I have the feeling if we can take care of these small problems, we'll be back in the playoffs and we'll be a dangerous team. We have so much talent on this team and we just need to learn how to use it.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I HOPE WE CAN SOME HOW GET THE FIRST OVERALL PICK AND TRADE DOWN FOR 2 FIRST ROUNDERS WITH THEM WE SHOULD GET VINCE YOUNG FROM TEXAS(PROVIDED HE COMES OUT) WHO HAS ARM STRENGTH AND CAN RUN WITH DECENT HEIGHT FOR AN NFL QUARTERBACK AS WELL AND I BELIEVE WILL BE BETTER THAN MATT LIENART IN THE FUTURE. I READ SOMEWHERE LIENART HAD MAJOR SHOULDER SURGERY IN HIGH SCHOOL AND JUST REENTLY HAD SURGERY ON HIS THROWING ELBOW AS WELL SO HE MAY BE ANOTHER VOUNERABLE QB AS WELL. vINCE YOUNG IS ALSO MORE MOBILE SO HE COULD EVADE THE PRESSURE ALLOWED BY THE CURRENTLY POOR OFENSIVE LINE ESPECIALLY FABINI. THEN WE SHOULD PICK UP DEANGELO wILLIAMS WHO I THINK IS A BETTER RUNNINGBACK THAN LAURENCE MAURUNEY BECAUSE THE REST OF HIS TEAM IS HORRIBLE AND THEY ARE STARTING A FORMER WR AT QB AND STILL GETTING RUN PRODUCTION WHEN PEOPLE PLAY TO STOP HIM WHILE LAURENCE MAUROONEY RUNS BEHAIND AN EXCELLENT OFFENSIVE LINE WHICH MAY LEAD TO HIS BACK UP GAING 1000 YARDS ON THE SEASON AS WELL
THIS IS JUST A HOPE I HAVE AND LATER IN THE DRAFT WE NEED SEVERAL GOOD OFFENSIVE LINEMAN AND A GOOD RUN STUFFING DT.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would LOVE that. I just want 2 first round picks, or 1 first round pick and 2 second rounders. I want Vince YOung very badly. And if DeAngelo falls i would love him too. If he doesn't and Maroney or Lendale white does, then 1 of the two would be amazing. but bradway is horrible and would probably trade our first rounder for like philip rivers who has played like 3 snaps. Young is going to be the better michael vick, and a new RB would be perfect for this team. Hopefully bradway realizes this.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow the scariest thing you all have been saying about the GM Terry Bradway is that they are all right. This guy is clearly stupid and simply to say, an idiot. He is too scared to release veterans and is "allergic" to making big deals and signings. I could plainly see Philip Rivers being traded for their precious 1st round pick. Many times, he was unable to sign a big free agent and has had to settle with someone not as good. For example, during the offseason after the 2003 season, he was unable to sign corners Ahmed Plummer or Antoine Winfield. Instead, he had to settle for David Barrett, paying him an unreasonable amount of $ to the CB who has played inconsistenly. I will give him Santana Moss and Jonathon Vilma. But Brian Thomas, Jon McGraw, Justin Mcareins, Derrick Blaylock, and Doug Jolley were all bonehead moves. Not re-signing LaMont Jordan or Kareem McKenzie were dumb moves. Hopefully, his instincts will tell him to take any of the above in the poll except OL Winston. We need playmakers and getting an offensive lineman just won't cut it.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah thats all very true. hes a scared man who cant handle being the jets GM. But the barrett move endedup working. Barrett has so much talent. He coveres well he hits, and he can tackle, and he has nice size. i love barrett, so even though we couldnt get winfield barrett ended up being the better corner anyway. If Bradway makes another horrible move i simply will not be a jets fan. and for me to say that is insane. I am as die hard as they come but this guy takes that all away. This better be a good offseason or Bradway better committ suicide.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 7:41 pm    Post subject: Bradway Reply with quote

Someone needs to light a fire under his A$$ because i definitely believe now that we should go after that spark plug. I know i have been saying that we need O-line help, but forget that lets go after game changer, and i definitely think that shaun ellis is not the man anymore we need to keep Abraham.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think they are going to get rid of Shaun Ellis. He just signed a new deal before the season started and the Jets owe him a lot of money because of the Gauranteed money they signed him with. So if they trade him... they will be taking a HUGE Cap hit... and that's something they don't want because they need as much money as possible for the next few years to rebuild the offense. Trust me... getting rid of Ellis won't solve any of our problems. Don't worry though... this time they won't screw up... I'm 100% sure we will have a very good off-season. We're going to get a new Franchise starting QB (from the draft or from a trade with a team) ... we're also going to get a new Franchise starting Running Back... we're going to sign a lot of free agents to Fix our offensive line... and our defense already has so much talent. The reason the defense is not playing well right now is because our defensive coordinator Donnie Henderson is not making the right calls and he's making bad decisions... he's making them Blitz at the wrong time.... and he's letting teams Run all over us by making our linebackers move back and try to stop the passing play when their main job is to stop the offense from Running the ball. Trust me i've been watching every game and paying close attention to what mistakes our defensive coordinator has been making. It's not the defenses fault... it's Donnie Henderson's fault for making such bad calls. Last year we had the Number 7 Ranked defense the entire year... and that's pretty good. This year we have one of the worst Rushing Defenses in the NFL because Donnie Henderson is not making them stop the Run... he's making them stop the pass only. He needs to fix himself up and make sure we are a very good defense once again next year. Don't worry Jets fans... Jets are going to be fine next year. Our season is over this year because Chad Pennington can't stay healthy... he's going to take a pay cut and lose his starting Job to whoever will be our New QB next year... then we'll be on our way to the playoffs. Trust me I know this... we have too much talent on this team to waste. We'll be back next year to Dominate...we're taking over he AFC east next year... Just watch.
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I hope your right. Remember just are under a tight cap as it is. They HAVE to make pay cuts. It would be best if martin gets released, along with fabini sowell legree reed and law. Miller will fill in for law and flourish. Since Ellis is a jet for the next 5 years, i think the jets have no choice but to tag abraham and trade him for either a first round or more or a QB like brees (no rivers that would be the biggest mistake ever). They need a new RB thats for certain, and QB is just obvious.

As for donnie H well...the guy is a good defensive coordinater. Hes going to step it up, because the guy is a competiter and he cant stand losing. He needs to be more aggressive on third downs, to get his defense off the field. Jets need to get more pressure on the QB and with ends like abraham and ellis they should have1 sack a game each.

Because abraham will be somewhere else next year, its not such a bad idea that the jets start give bryan thomas more reps. He'll fill in for abraham nicely.

The adjustments are simply. Its time to get busy though.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 12:48 pm    Post subject: I am a huge Jet fan Reply with quote

I spend many tireless hours thinking about my once beloved J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS. They need help on the offensive side of the ball.

Adrian Jones is a quality lineman. Is he a franchise LT? I'm not sure, but he is atleast a quality RT. Kendell is old and makes too much money, Mawae is an amazing lineman, we should keep him around for a little bit longer, but just add some death behind "Goodwin" at the center position. RG is going to be Brandon Moore for a long time. Fabini should start packing his bags. Chris Baker has shown promise. Doug Jolley is a waste -- if our OL gets better we could use him though -- he can't block. Dreissen is also going to be a good player -- they signed a free agent basketball player to their practice squad, in a year or so he could become GATES 2.0.

Curtis Martin should either take a pay cut, or be cut. He is too old and too often injured. Blaylock is not the answer, however is a good player to have on ones team. Cedric Houston, the former Volunteer star is going to be part of our future. They should have him play in tandem with their first round pick this year, first overall Reggie Bush. This guy is a phenom. Think about how Vick can change a game with his legs, now think of a guy being able to do that from both the RB and WR positions. You can have him do anything, much like L.T., and he will be explosive. He is a little small so you probably would want to keep his carries down around 20 until he bulks up, and have him split time with houston. The jets need life. They need to be explosive -- that is the problem with our offense. Our O-line is shot and there are no "game changing" players.

QB is a position of great debate. People say "Pennington's career is over" and that he is never going to be the same QB. He will be. Although he is 30 his body hasn't played that much football, a few injuries yes, but nothing that a body can't come back from. This of Rich Gannon, he was nearly 40 and still near the top of the AFC in passer rating, pennington will one day lead us to the superbowl. Jay Fielder is a great backup. We need someone better than Bollinger to be number 3. That guy sucks. DISCLAIMER
The only instance in which we take a QB is if it is a Vick. Marcus Vick is a much better passer than his older brother, and will probably be a "BETTER?" pro than older bro.

Sowell is old and costs a lot of money, let him go and promote BJ Askew.

On Defense they need to get rid of some "excess baggage". They need a DT to play opposite Robertson, and they should dispose of either Ty Law or David Barret in order to make room for Justin Miller. Hell, maybe get rid of the both of them and promote Derek Strait as well. Draft a CB in the 3rd round to play nickel, and they will be gold. IDK -- personally i would probably keep Law. He is bad [inappropriate/removed]. At safety we have two starters for several years in Kerry Rhodes and Eric Coleman. LB will be better when Barton comes back, and we have an extra DE. Ellis should be the odd man out, he has much more value than Bryan Thomas, and isn't playing much better than the ladder would be. I would try to trade him for either a 1 or 2.

In the Draft (expecting us to get either pick 1 or 2) --

Round 1- Reggie Bush RB USC
Round 1a- Marcus McNeill OT AUBURN (If we can trade a Shaun Ellis for him we will be happy as a pig in slop. This guy is GINORMOUS and helped pave the way for both Cadillac and Ronnie Brown in college. He would be a franchise LT that would allow us to move Adrian Jones to a guard position that he is more suited for.
Round 2- Rodrique Wright DT Texas He has the potential to be great, leading for us to have the TOP D-line in the league. Him and Robertson will make a nasty pair, with Abraham and Thomas??? on the outside. Hopefully he falls to around pick 33. He could though as his College season hasn't been outstanding. He just needs to be motivated.
Round 3- QB-- There is that guy Croyle from Alabama-- he has a history of injuries, but we have had a history of good quarterbacks w/ injuries from alabama (NAMATH).
Round 4- OG -- that would mean our O-LINE would be Mcneil LT, This guy LG, Mawae C, Moore RG, Jones RT... I like this line.
Round 5- C
Round 6- CB
Round 7- WR

We draft a new OL, a new RB, and a backup QB/QB of future if need be. We don't need to spend anything in Free Agency, we make cap room for next year. We need youth, not to overpay for other teams used players.

Prediction Jets 12-4 next year w/ easy schedual&retooled offense.
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