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Kazkal
Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Posts: 3965

Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 2:39 am Post subject: Sacks given up in 2008 



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eft Tackle
1. Ryan Clady (Broncos) 0.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
2. Michael Roos (Titans) 1.0 sacks allowed (16 starts) *PROBOWL*
3. Tra Thomas (Eagles) 2.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
3. Orlando Pace (Rams) 2.0 sacks allowed (14 starts)
5. Jake Long (Dolphins) 2.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
6. Jordan Gross (Panthers) 3.0 sacks allowed (15 starts) *PROBOWL*
6. Jammal Brown (Saints) 3.0 sacks allowed (15 starts)
6. Jared Gaither (Ravens) 3.0 sacks allowed (15 starts)
6. Marcus McNeill (Chargers) 3.0 sacks allowed (14 starts)
6. Tony Ugoh (Colts) 3.0 sacks allowed (12 starts)
6. Chris Samuels (Redskins) 3.0 sacks allowed (12 starts) *PROBOWL*
6. Todd Weiner (Falcons) 3.0 sacks allowed (11 starts)
13. Walter Jones (Seahawks) 3.5 sacks allowed (12 starts) *PROBOWL*
14. D’Brickashaw Ferguson (Jets) 4.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
14. Bryant McKinnie (Vikings) 4.0 sacks allowed (12 starts)
14. Max Starks (Steelers) 4.0 sacks allowed (11 starts)
17. Joe Thomas (Browns) 4.5 sacks allowed (16 starts) *PROBOWL*
17. Branden Albert (Cheifs) 4.5 sacks allowed (15 starts)
19. Levi Brown (Bengals) 5.5 sacks allowed (11 starts)
20. Mike Gandy (Cardinals) 6.25 sacks allowed (16 starts)
21. David Diehl (Giants) 6.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
22. Flozell Adams (Cowboys) 7.25 sacks allowed (16 starts)
23. Khalif Barnes (Jags) 7.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
23. Matt Light (Pats) 7.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
23. Chad Clifton (Packers) 7.5 sacks allowed (15 starts)
23. Kwame Harris (Raiders) 7.5 sacks allowed (11 starts)
27. Joe Staley (49ers) 8.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
28. Donald Penn (Bucs) 8.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
29. Jeff Backus (Lions) 9.25 sacks allowed (16 starts)
30. John St. Clair (Bears) 9.75 sacks allowed (16 starts)
31. Duane Brown (Texans) 11.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
31. Jason Peters (Bills) 11.5 sacks allowed (13 starts) *PROBOWL*
Left Guard
1. Kris Dielman (Chargers) 0 sacks allowed (16 starts) *PROBOWL*
1. Charlie Johnson (Colts) 0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
1. David Baas (49ers) 0 sacks allowed (9 starts)
4. Carl Nicks (Saints) 0.5 sacks allowed (13 starts)
5. Todd Herremans (Eagles) 0.75 sacks allowed (15 starts)
6. Brian Waters (Chiefs) 1.0 sacks allowed (16 starts) *PROBOWL*
7. Josh Beekman (Bears) 1.25 sacks allowed (16 starts)
8. Robert Gallery (Raiders) 1.75 sacks allowed (16 starts)
8. Reggie Wells (Cardinals) 1.75 sacks allowed (16 starts)
10. Eugene Amano (Titans) 2.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
10. Chris Chester (Ravens) 2.0 sacks allowed (11 starts)
12. Chester Pitts (Texans) 2.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
12. Ben Hamilton (Broncos) 2.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
12. Travelle Wharton (Panthers) 2.5 sacks allowed (14 starts)
12. Jacob Bell (Rams) 2.5 sacks allowed (13 starts)
12. Jeff Smiley (Dolphins) 2.5 sacks allowed (12 starts)
17. Rich Seubert (Giants) 3.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
17. Pete Kendall (Redskins) 3.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
17. Justin Blalock (Falcons) 3.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
27. Eric Steinbach (Browns) 3.0 sacks allowed (14 starts)
21. Floyd Womack (Seahawks) 3.5 sacks allowed (14 starts)
22. Edwin Mulitalo (Lions) 4.25 sacks allowed (11 starts)
23. Arron Sears (Bucs) 4.5 sacks allowed (15 starts)
23. Uche Nwaneri (Jags) 4.5 sacks allowed (15 starts)
23. Cory Procter (Cowboys) 4.5 sacks allowed (11 starts)
26. Logan Mankins (Pats) 5.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
26. Andrew Whitworth (Bengals) 5.0 sacks allowed (10 starts)
28. Daryn Colledge (Packers) 6.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
29. Steve Hutchinson (Vikings) 7.0 sacks allowed (16 starts) *PROBOWL*
29. Alan Faneca (Jets) 7.0 sacks allowed (16 starts) *PROBOWL*
31. Chris Kemoeatu (Steelers) 7.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
32. Derrick Dockery (Bills) 8.25 sacks allowed (16 starts)
Center
1. Olin Kreutz (Bears) 0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
1. Todd McClure (Falcons) 0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
1. Chris Myers (Texans) 0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
1. Kevin Mawae (Titans) 0 sacks allowed (15 starts) *PROBOWL*
1. Ryan Kalil (Panthers) 0 sacks allowed (12 starts)
6. Brad Meester (Jags) 0.25 sacks allowed (10 starts)
7. Lyle Sendlein (Cardinals) 0.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
8. Duke Preston (Bills) 0.75 sacks allowed (11 starts)
9. Casey Wiegmann (Broncos) 1.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
9. Jeff Faine (Bucs) 1.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
9. Jonathan Goodwin (Saints) 1.0 sacks allowed (13 starts)
12. Nick Mangold (Jets) 2.0 sacks allowed (16 starts) *PROBOWL*
12. Andre Gurode (Cowboys) 2.0 sacks allowed (16 starts) *PROBOWL*
12. Shaun O’Hara (Giants) 2.0 sacks allowed (16 starts) *PROBOWL*
12. Matt Birk (Vikings) 2.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
12. Jeff Saturday (Colts) 2.0 sacks allowed (12 starts)
12. Dominic Raiola (Lions) 2.0 sacks allowed (12 starts)
12. Nick Leckey (Rams) 2.0 sacks allowed (10 starts)
19. Jason Brown (Ravens) 2.25 sacks allowed (16 starts)
19. Jamaal Jackson (Eagles) 2.25 sacks allowed (16 starts)
21. Hank Fraley (Browns) 2.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
21. Nick Hardwick (Chargers) 2.5 sacks allowed (13 starts)
21. Jake Grove (Raiders) 2.5 sacks allowed (12 starts)
21. Chris Spencer (Seahawks) 2.5 sacks allowed (11 starts)
25. Rudy Niswanger (Chiefs) 3.5 sacks allowed (15 starts)
25. Scott Wells (Packers) 3.5 sacks allowed (13 starts)
27. Eric Heitmann (49ers) 4.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
27. Eric Ghaiciuc (Bengals) 4.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
29. Samson Satele (Dolphins) 4.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
29. Dan Koppen (Pats) 4.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
31. Casey Rabach (Redskins) 5.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
32. Justin Harwig (Steelers) 6.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
Right Guard
1. Chris Kuper (Broncos) 0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
2. Jake Scott (Titans) 0.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
2. Max JeanGilles (Eagles) 0.5 sacks allowed (10 starts)
4. Chris Snee (Giants) 1.0 sacks allowed (16 starts) *PROBOWL*
4. Harvey Dahl (Falcons) 1.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
4. Jason Spitz (Packers) 1.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
4. Ikechuku Ndukwe (Dolphins) 1.0 sacks allowed (15 starts)
4. Brad Butler (Bills) 1.0 sacks allowed (13 starts)
4. Davin Joseph (Bucs) 1.0 sacks allowed (12 starts)
4. Adrian Jones (Chiefs) 1.0 sacks allowed (10 starts)
11. Rex Hadnot (Browns) 1.5 sacks allowed (15 starts)
12. Deuce Lutui (Cardinals) 2.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
12. Brandon Moore (Jets) 2.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
12. Mike Brisiel (Texans) 2.0 sacks allowed (16 starts) …ERFA
12. Jahri Evans (Saints) 2.0 sacks allowed (16 starts) …RFA
12. Mike Pollak (Colts) 2.0 sacks allowed (13 starts)
12. Stephen Neal (Pats) 2.0 sacks allowed (9 starts)
18. Roberto Garza (Bears) 2.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
19. Randy Thomas (Redskins) 4.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
19. Robbie Williams (Bengals) 4.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
19. Cooper Carlisle (Raiders) 4.0 sacks allowed (15 starts)
19. Stephen Peterman (Lions) 4.0 sacks allowed (14 starts)
19. Tony Wragge (49ers) 4.0 sacks allowed (10 starts) …RFA
24. Leonard Davis (Cowboys) 4.5 sacks allowed (16 starts) *PROBOWL*
24. Mike Goff (Chargers) 4.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
26. Darnell Stapleton (Steelers) 5.0 sacks allowed (12 starts)
27. Ben Grubbs (Ravens) 6.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
27. Richie Incognito (Rams) 6.5 sacks allowed (15 starts)
29. Dennis Norman (Jags) 7.25 sacks allowed (14 starts)
30. Anthony Herrera (Vikings) 7.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
No Seahawk or Panther started more then 8 games at RG
Right Tackle
1. Ryan Diem (Colts) 1.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
1. Jon Stinchcomb (Saints) 1.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
1. Ray Willis (Seahawks) 1.5 sacks allowed (10 starts)
4. David Stewart (Titans) 2.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
4. Mark Tauscher (Packers) 2.0 sacks allowed (13 starts)
6. Ryan Harris (Broncos) 2.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
6. Tyson Clabo (Falcons) 2.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
8. Langston Walker (Bills) 3.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
8. Nick Kaczur (Pats) 3.0 sacks allowed (14 starts)
10. Willie Anderson (Ravens) 3.5 sacks allowed (11 starts)
11. Kareem McKenzie (Giants) 4.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
11. Vernon Carey (Dolphins) 4.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
11. Kevin Shaffer (Browns) 4.5 sacks allowed (15 starts)
14. Jeff Otah (Panthers) 5.0 sacks allowed (12 starts)
15. Tony Pashos (Jags) 5.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
15. Marc Colombo (Cowboys) 5.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
17. Willie Colon (Steelers) 5.75 sacks allowed (16 starts) …RFA
18. John Tait (Bears) 6.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
18. Jeremy Trueblood (Bucs) 6.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
18. Ryan Cook (Vikings) 6.0 sacks allowed (14 starts)
18. Gosder Cherilus (Lions) 6.0 sacks allowed (13 starts)
22. Damien Woody (Jets) 6.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
22. Jeromey Clary (Chargers) 6.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
22. Jon Jansen (Redskins) 6.5 sacks allowed (11 starts)
25. Jon Runyan (Eagles) 7.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
25. Damion McIntosh (Chiefs) 7.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
27. Cornell Green (Raiders) 7.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
27. Alex Barron (Rams) 7.5 sacks allowed (15 starts)
29. Eric Winston (Texans) 8.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
30. Stacy Andrews (Bengals) 9.5 sacks allowed (15 starts)
31. Adam Snyder (49ers) 9.5 sacks allowed (13 starts)
32. Levi Brown (Cardinals) 11.0 sacks allowed (16 starts) 
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20. Mike Gandy (Cardinals) 6.25 sacks allowed (16 starts)
32. Levi Brown (Cardinals) 11.0 sacks allowed (16 starts 
not the numbers you'd expect out of the 1# passing offense...
Quote:  14. Max Starks (Steelers) 4.0 sacks allowed (11 starts)
31. Chris Kemoeatu (Steelers) 7.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
32. Justin Harwig (Steelers) 6.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
26. Darnell Stapleton (Steelers) 5.0 sacks allowed (12 starts)
17. Willie Colon (Steelers) 5.75 sacks allowed (16 starts) …RFA 
This is With how much they run the ball and the fact BigBen is Unsackable at times..
DEFENSE wins championships
Best Tackle or Guard in rounds 23 & Sign Jason Brown,Then keep building on last years much improved defense. _________________ FU 49ers
<3 Kaepernick 

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ochocinco4pres
Joined: 04 Apr 2007 Posts: 26420 Location: Indianapolis Indiana

Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 2:50 am Post subject: 



Man those stats really stand out....problem is the steelers O line allowed Big Ben to get 2 broken ribs...sacks isn't the only stat that matters.... _________________
Big thanks to kacymcbryant18 for the sig....^^ 

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Kazkal
Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Posts: 3965

Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 5:21 am Post subject: 



Rumored to have gotten broken ribs and I'm not defending steelers Oline it's freaking horrible as you can see it's one of the worst in the NFL...They gave up that many sacks with how often they run the ball and with how hard it is to sack Big ben...
But with that being Said Broncos,Titans,Saints,Colts & Falcons had some of the best Olines yet the only ones make it to the playoffs were one and done...Colts have been the only high powered Offense with a crappy defense in how many years ? to win a superbowl...If we could establish the running game and continue to improve our defense I'm sure carson wouldn't mind.
PS,Ben may have broke a couple of his ribs,But he also has 2 Superbowl rings with realistic chance of getting a couple more... _________________ FU 49ers
<3 Kaepernick 

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ohiostate#1
Joined: 20 Apr 2008 Posts: 7999 Location: Columbus, Ohio

Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 10:22 am Post subject: 



People underestimate the fact the Cardinals OLine was really good in pass protection. And the Steelers were solid in run blocking. Games are won and lost in the trenches, and we need to improve there. 

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INbengalfan
Joined: 21 Jan 2006 Posts: 7808 Location: Richmond, IN

Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 10:51 am Post subject: 



Not really sure of the point/direction of this thread, but here's my take.
As stated above, Steelers line can run block very well. Obviously they haver issues at pass blocking.
Part of Arizona's high sack numbers revolve around the fact they pass so much. They didn't try to run the ball in the middle of the season. i also think (but I don't have any numbers to prove it) that they gave up way more sacks in the first half of the season and in those two pitiful December games (where they gave up 8 or 9 sacks a game against NE and some other good team...too lazy to lookit up though).
Guichiac may have only given up 4 sacks, but how many hurries or klnockdowns did he allow? Same with Andrews. Speaking of Andrews, why does it seem in Hobson's articles that we are bent on keeping him?
And to the original poster with the numbers..... Levi Brown plays for the cardinals. Levi JONES plays LT for the Bengals. heck, you didn't even get Bobbie Williams name right either. 

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Beck Bristow
Joined: 17 Dec 2005 Posts: 6845

Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 11:36 am Post subject: 



Sacks allowed is a team statistic. I mean do these stat guys really know who each guy was supposed to be blocking, or does every player just man up after the game with a "my bad" 

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Kazkal
Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Posts: 3965

Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 3:04 pm Post subject: 



INbengalfan wrote:  Not really sure of the point/direction of this thread, but here's my take.

Just to get idea of quality of other teams Olines since some people are so bent that if we don't take a first round tackle that we are doomed for years to come..
Quote:  As stated above, Steelers line can run block very well. 
Indeed "run the football" Play Great defense....
Obviously they haver issues at pass blocking.
h).
Quote:  Guichiac may have only given up 4 sacks, 
even though number seems low thats pretty bad for center and still is a freaking horrible starter..
Quote:  but how many hurries or klnockdowns did he allow? 
They don't have a statsheet but thread I got this from mentioned too would be nice to see knockdowns/hurries because I'm still wtf'd how tackle who ranked 31st in sacks made it to the probowl....
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And to the original poster with the numbers..... Levi Brown plays for the cardinals. Levi JONES plays LT for the Bengals. heck, you didn't even get Bobbie Williams name right either. 
I Just cut and pasted it =P Look at previous posts and I never used Levi Brown Robbie WIlliams.... _________________ FU 49ers
<3 Kaepernick 

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tygertyger
Joined: 28 Jan 2007 Posts: 48

Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 5:14 am Post subject: 



This all seems a bit confused.
The Steelers have moved to a passing offense with lots of multiple receiver sets. They lost Marvel Smith and Kendall Simmons for much of the year with injuries. That, coupled with the fact Big Ben holds onto the ball a long time trying to make plays and the fact that noone feared their running game (23rd in the league with an average of 3.7 a rush), meant an awful lot of sacks given up. They need to totally overhaul their line this offseason.
As for defense wins championships: the Steelers defense got taken apart in the SB for over 400 yards and 3 touchdowns. The Cards defense allowed 300 yards and 2 touchdowns. That means the Cards should have won. Instead it was Big Ben chucking the ball downfield that won the SB. Surely the last thing the Bengals want is to become another Baltimore and have the league's best defense for a decade but rarely have enough offense to challenge.
I agree about not going tackle in round one though. If we want to improve the running game we need to improve the interior line and top guards and centres are available in rounds two and three. 

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