Who would you rather have?

JonesDrew32 · Joined: 01 Jan 2007 Posts: 13633 Location: Duval

Take a look at the numbers below and tell me what you think.

Past 3 year averages

Player A
22.8 yards per kickoff return
4 kick return TD's
50 kick returns over 20 yards
6 kick returns over 40 yards
5 kick return fumbles

12.6 yards per punt return
7 punt return TD's
23 punt returns over 20 yards
8 punt returns over 40 yards
12 punt return fumbles

Player B

27.4 yards per kickoff return
4 kick return TD's
109 kick returns over 20 yards
17 kick returns over 40 yards
1 kick return fumble

(Through just 1.5 years of punt returning)
11.1 yards per punt return
1 punt return TD's
8 punt returns over 20 yards
2 punt returns over 40 yards
5 punt return fumbles

As we can see, player A is better than player B at punt returns, however he has a huge fumbling problem, which is not good.

We can also see that player B averages nearly 5 more yards better on kickoff returns and has significantly more 20+ and 40+ returns.

Judging by just return stats, I'd say that they are pretty equal in value. They are both obviously a big threat in the return game and can break one at any time.

Player A and B are both WR's as well. However, Player A gets more chances being on a team with very limited WR's, compared to Player B who's team has a few solid options at WR.

Player A has a couple TD's receiving and a few hundred yards in the past couple seasons, and Player B just has 1 receiving TD in 3 years.

Player B is a special teams gunner, however, and constantly makes plays on kickoff's and punts, amassing 40 solo tackles on punt and kick coverage in 3 seasons whereas Player A has 12 solo tackles, in which 9 came his rookie year when he played defense.

So.

Kick returns- Player B
Punt returns- Player A
WR ability- Slightly player A, thanks to a depleted WR corps
Overall special teams- Player B
Threat to break one- Both

I think they are pretty equal. Player A has a fumbling problem, but his punt return skills are great.

Player B is fantastic at kick returns and limits turnovers. He gets his team to the 40 yard line and beyond more than anybody in the league.

So who would you take based on this information? I'll reveal the names afterwards, although I'm sure they are quite obvious. If they are obvious, please use as little bias as possible. Thanks.

ukdolfan · Joined: 06 Jan 2008 Posts: 8848

Player B, who I can't seem to work out who it is. (edit - its who I thought it might be but didn't realise he played gunner)

A is pretty obvious though, I think.
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SatireSphere · Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 8:05 pm Post subject:

I'll take B, and I think I know who it is.
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Mesa_Titan · Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 8:13 pm Post subject:

Can we get a list of how many of those fumbles resulted in turnovers? That's what really matters, but as for that list I would probably take A, I know it's Hester and he is an amazing punt returner...

The only thing is, teams kick away from Hester, resulting in better field position for his team, that always goes unnoticed.
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DaBrowns41 · Joined: 04 Jan 2005 Posts: 22935 Location: Reynoldsburg, OH

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Call me crazy, but I'd take Player A. I think that having a good punt returner is more beneficiary than a kickoff returner. Being able to capitalize off of your opponents punts will win you a lot of games, and having good field position off of a punt will almost guarantee you at least a field goal. I think all of that overshadows the increased risk for a fumble.
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Mesa_Titan · Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 8:20 pm Post subject:

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Mesa_Titan · Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 8:23 pm Post subject:

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DWILL2LIVES7ON · Joined: 09 Feb 2008 Posts: 3879

Is this another Cribbs vs. Hester?

I think Hester is A and Cribbs is B.

I would have taken Cribbs reguardless because he is a much more overall important special teams asset.

But if B isn't Cribbs, I'll still take him over A.
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DaBrowns41 · Joined: 04 Jan 2005 Posts: 22935 Location: Reynoldsburg, OH

So basically if your RB fumbles 25 times in a season (exaggerating, I know), and he only loses 5, are you going to just ignore the fact that he has a fumbling problem?

When you fumble, it's a game of chance. You hope that you are close enough to grab it, or a teammate, and it turns to luck.

Not to mention, you can't just say you'd rather have somebody because you feel like they could possibly break one at any time, especially when the opposing player can break one at any time as well. It's silly.
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Mesa_Titan · Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 8:33 pm Post subject:

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Mesa_Titan · Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 8:44 pm Post subject: