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bpastermack


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 3:28 pm    Post subject: bpastermack's O-line rankings Reply with quote

I have spent the past week digging into offensive lineman in anticipation of the upcoming draft. These rankings are strictly how I would rank them as a potential Miami Dolphin player. Some of the guys may have more value on a different scheme. The position listed next to them is where I believe they will excel the most, but certainly not the only position I think they could play.

1-30 Value
1. Greg Robinson LT
2. Jake Matthews LT
3. Morgan Moses RT
4. Zack Martin LG
5. Taylor Lewan LG

30-60 Value
6. Joel Bitonio LG
7. Marcus Martin OC
8. Billy Turner RT
9. Xavier Sua-Filo LG

60-90 Value
10. Dakota Dozier LG
11. Trai Turner RG
12. Gabe Jackson RG
13. Travis Swanson RG

90-120 Value
14. Michael Schofield RT
15. Jack Mewhort RG
16. Cyrus Kouandijo RT
17. Chris Watt LG
18. Weston Richburgh LG
19. Tiny Richardson LT

120-150 Value
20. JaWuan Jones RT
21. James Hurst RT
22. Laraunt Duvernay Tardiff RT
23. Spencer Long RG
24. Cameron Fleming RT

150-180 Value
25. David Yankey RG
26. Brandon Thomas RT (INJ)
27. Anthony Steen RG
28. John Urschel RG
29. Brian Linder RG
30. Garrett Scott RT

210-240 Value
31. Wesley Johnson LG
32. Matt Patchan LT
33. Jon Halapio RG
34. Russell Bodine RG
35. Kadeem Edwards LG
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IMO your top 5 are spot on.

I just haven't had the time to really get a proper evaluation on the rest, but I will say that I am very high on Morgan Moses at RT and will be pleasantly surprised if he is still available at 19.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I disagree with quite a few.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2014 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maddogg wrote:
I disagree with quite a few.


It would be strange if we didn't, but care to enlighten me on which ones and why?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2014 10:07 am    Post subject: Re: bpastermack's O-line rankings Reply with quote

bpastermack wrote:
I have spent the past week digging into offensive lineman in anticipation of the upcoming draft. These rankings are strictly how I would rank them as a potential Miami Dolphin player. Some of the guys may have more value on a different scheme. The position listed next to them is where I believe they will excel the most, but certainly not the only position I think they could play.

1-30 Value
1. Greg Robinson LT
2. Jake Matthews LT
3. Morgan Moses RT
4. Zack Martin LG
5. Taylor Lewan LG

30-60 Value
6. Joel Bitonio LG
7. Marcus Martin OC
8. Billy Turner RT
9. Xavier Sua-Filo LG

60-90 Value
10. Dakota Dozier LG
11. Trai Turner RG
12. Gabe Jackson RG
13. Travis Swanson RG

90-120 Value
14. Michael Schofield RT
15. Jack Mewhort RG
16. Cyrus Kouandijo RT
17. Chris Watt LG
18. Weston Richburgh LG
19. Tiny Richardson LT

120-150 Value
20. JaWuan Jones RT
21. James Hurst RT
22. Laraunt Duvernay Tardiff RT
23. Spencer Long RG
24. Cameron Fleming RT

150-180 Value
25. David Yankey RG
26. Brandon Thomas RT (INJ)
27. Anthony Steen RG
28. John Urschel RG
29. Brian Linder RG
30. Garrett Scott RT

210-240 Value
31. Wesley Johnson LG
32. Matt Patchan LT
33. Jon Halapio RG
34. Russell Bodine RG
35. Kadeem Edwards LG


Green should be higher

Red Lower

Just my opinion

Moses is fine in the top 5, just would have him at 5 (late 1st)

I have Jones as an early 2nd rounder

XSF as a late 1st

Yankey as a late 2nd
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2014 10:23 am    Post subject: Re: bpastermack's O-line rankings Reply with quote

ViolentMonk71 wrote:
bpastermack wrote:
I have spent the past week digging into offensive lineman in anticipation of the upcoming draft. These rankings are strictly how I would rank them as a potential Miami Dolphin player. Some of the guys may have more value on a different scheme. The position listed next to them is where I believe they will excel the most, but certainly not the only position I think they could play.

1-30 Value
1. Greg Robinson LT
2. Jake Matthews LT
3. Morgan Moses RT
4. Zack Martin LG
5. Taylor Lewan LG

30-60 Value
6. Joel Bitonio LG
7. Marcus Martin OC
8. Billy Turner RT
9. Xavier Sua-Filo LG

60-90 Value
10. Dakota Dozier LG
11. Trai Turner RG
12. Gabe Jackson RG
13. Travis Swanson RG

90-120 Value
14. Michael Schofield RT
15. Jack Mewhort RG
16. Cyrus Kouandijo RT
17. Chris Watt LG
18. Weston Richburgh LG
19. Tiny Richardson LT

120-150 Value
20. JaWuan Jones RT
21. James Hurst RT
22. Laraunt Duvernay Tardiff RT
23. Spencer Long RG
24. Cameron Fleming RT

150-180 Value
25. David Yankey RG
26. Brandon Thomas RT (INJ)
27. Anthony Steen RG
28. John Urschel RG
29. Brian Linder RG
30. Garrett Scott RT

210-240 Value
31. Wesley Johnson LG
32. Matt Patchan LT
33. Jon Halapio RG
34. Russell Bodine RG
35. Kadeem Edwards LG


Green should be higher

Red Lower

Just my opinion

Moses is fine in the top 5, just would have him at 5 (late 1st)

I have Jones as an early 2nd rounder

XSF as a late 1st

Yankey as a late 2nd


I am just in love with Moses' length and powerful punch. He has all the potential in the world to be a fantastic RT.

I may be a little low on Jones after going back and watching more tape on him. I may have just caught his bad games the first time around. But I still don't think he is any more than a third round pick. I would take Dozier and Trai Turner, or Billy Turner before him all day long.

XSF is really athletic, but he makes a lot of mistakes. I saw him get beat pass blocking a lot more than I want to for a guy who is considered a high second round pick by most. I think he is a low second rounder because of that.

I just don't see much of anything in Yankey I like
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2014 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I've said before I'm pretty high on Morgan Moses and I will be surprised if he is still there at 19.

I too think he will be a very good RT, but he would also be a very good LT.

IMO he is far superior to Martin and Lewan for either OT spot.

I believe Moses has all the physical tools. His technique at LT is very good....especially his kick step and punch. He plays with a mean streak, is more than adequate at blocking on the second level and is impressive with down blocks in the run game. He uses extremely long arms very well and when used in combination with his kick step, he is difficult for speed rushers to navigate.

The only area I see with Moses that needs immediate improvement is his ability to reset and sink his hips..........he does play too upright and tall at times, but that is not uncommon nor uncorrectable for an OT with his height and weight. For these reasons he will be more challenged by Bull Rush and Power technique DE's, but a little conditioning and focus on technique will solve this small issue in a couple weeks of camp.

This draft is a very good draft for OTs IMO, and in most drafts I think Moses would be the first or second OT drafted.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2014 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure if I see Martin as a LG.........I'm leaning more towards him being a RG than anything. Lewan is a LT IMO.......and I'm not saying that just because he blew up the combine either.

I also see Bitonio as a RG and not a LG........although I'm not big on him at all actually. He looks odd to me and will get rag dolled at the next level if he doesn't get his technique locked down. I'm leaning towards he has recently been overrated.

IMO Sua' Filo is a better LG prospect than any other in this draft. I would draft him at the top of the second round. I don't think he is an elite talent by any means, but IMO he is clearly the best LG prospect and I would consider moving up on day 2 to select him.
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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2014 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mike Mayock said on a conference call today that he sees Morgan Moses as a top 20 pick value wise, and Trai Turner as a low second round pick.
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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2014 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bpastermack wrote:
Mike Mayock said on a conference call today that he sees Morgan Moses as a top 20 pick value wise, and Trai Turner as a low second round pick.


with all this normal talk, what happens is we cant have 50 first rounders... some good guys will fall if this kind of thing is true
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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2014 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kaiowas05 wrote:
bpastermack wrote:
Mike Mayock said on a conference call today that he sees Morgan Moses as a top 20 pick value wise, and Trai Turner as a low second round pick.


with all this normal talk, what happens is we cant have 50 first rounders... some good guys will fall if this kind of thing is true


Good Players fall every year.........and Average Players and worse are overrated by some every year.

In regards to Mayock's view on Moses being top 20.......He is so obviously correct IMO. I see Moses as a very solid pick, and appropriate value at 12-18 in this draft.

Looking at draft trends over the last 6 years shows that the top 20 picks averages about 3 OT's selected per draft. I see Moses as the 3rd best OT in this draft, but I think Mayock sees Moses as the 4th best OT behind Robinson, Mathews, and Lewan.

I dont have a hard time accepting the possibility of 4 OT's going in the top 20....2013 had 5, 2010 had 3, 2009 had 3, and 2008 had 5.


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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2014 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kaiowas05 wrote:
bpastermack wrote:
Mike Mayock said on a conference call today that he sees Morgan Moses as a top 20 pick value wise, and Trai Turner as a low second round pick.


with all this normal talk, what happens is we cant have 50 first rounders... some good guys will fall if this kind of thing is true


It's likely in any given draft that 50 players would be labeled "first rounders" by even the best talent evaluators somewhere. The only way there would be only 32 is if everyone agreed on every player.

I personally trust Mayock more than most. He really is a talent evaluator and not just a talking head. Doesn't mean he is always right, but he is pretty good. And in both of these instances, I think he is pretty spot on by what I see on film.
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