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Ryan_Pickett 
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Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 1:56 am Post subject: Deacon Jones vs. Reggie White |
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Well in honor of this great new forum, I though Id throw a comparison out there that I think should be very interesting to debate. Often looked at as the two greatest DE's of all time, who do you feel is the better of the two. Ill just throw out my comments on the two players from a different thread.
| Ryan_Pickett wrote: | Many will argue that White is the greatest player to ever play on the defensive side of the ball, and they may very well be right. “The Minister of Defense” started his career in the USFL where he recorded 23.5 sacks in 36 games. After the collapse of the USFL, White joined the Philadelphia Eagles where his dominance continued. During his time with the Eagles, White totaled 124 sacks and during the 1987 season, averaged over 1.7 sacks per game, and NFL record.
White Then went to Green Bay via free agency where he gained 68.5 more sacks. He become a team leader for the Packers and won a Super Bowl with them and is not only a member of the Packers Hall of Fame, but the Pro Football Hall of Fame as well. 13 Pro-Bowls and 13 All-Pro teams, White had 12 seasons of at least 10 sacks, and is one of the greatest players to ever lace up a pair of cleats. |
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Jones is the baddest, best and meanest defensive end to ever play the game. Just ask him, he’ll tell you.
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"I'm the best defensive end around. I'd hate to have to play against me."
Sacks were not recorded back then, but studies say that Jones officially would have had 173.5, which would place him third on the sack total list. An innovator of the sack, Jones used his “head slap” technique to blow by defenders. Durable, physical, athletic and mean, Jones is the epitome of what a DE should be. |
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keepnitgangsta1 
Joined: 27 Feb 2006 Posts: 15094 Location: Belleville, Illinois
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Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 4:42 am Post subject: |
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I will argue that Deacon Jones is the best defensive end of all-time and easily a top five defensive player of all-time. I would put Reggie White right behind Deacon though, he was amazingly skilled and played the game with so much passion during his tenure. I just think that Deacon gets the edge because of the dominance that he had in the league over his period of playing time and the reason that the "sack" was created. Probably one of the most revolutionary players in NFL history as well. _________________
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Buckrock101 
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Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 4:51 am Post subject: |
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I personally would go with Reggie White, although there is very little between them. Quite possibly number 1a and 1b from all defensive ends. _________________
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titanswin472 
Joined: 18 Jul 2008 Posts: 58 Location: louisville, KY
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Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 9:43 am Post subject: deacon |
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| deacon jones before cause he had a tougher mind and and he was pushed hard with much harder oppenents at the time. like for reggie he faced the cowboys who were hard but noone eles hard like when he was for green bay i would say easiest division. i mean bears, vikings, they all sucked back then. and deacon faced the 49ers! HARD! 49ers o-line. |
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mse326 
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Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 10:38 am Post subject: |
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So difficult to choose but I'd go Reggie White. There really isn't any tangible thing that separates them as much as just a gut feeling and the eye ball test. From what I saw I'd rather have Reggie although I still agre with Deacon, I'd hate to play him.
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MaddHatter 
Joined: 29 Nov 2006 Posts: 41475 Location: Dallas, TX
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Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 11:30 am Post subject: |
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For me, this is Deacon Jones in a landslide - he had more (unofficial) sacks and practically invented half the moves that DE's used after him. He is the GOAT at his position with White coming 2nd or 3rd _________________
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PatsDynasty21 
Joined: 06 Feb 2008 Posts: 10857 Location: Syracuse
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Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 11:32 am Post subject: |
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Deacon Jones is very underrated. He, in my opinion, was the greatest DE to ever play the game. Reggie White is #2. _________________
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UofMfan909 
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Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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| MaddHatter wrote: | | For me, this is Deacon Jones in a landslide - he had more (unofficial) sacks and practically invented half the moves that DE's used after him. He is the GOAT at his position with White coming 2nd or 3rd |
I've said this time in and time out - Deacon would be third on the all time sack list if sacks were totaled in his time. Behind Reggie White.
I take White here - he's the best defender of all time. There hasn't been a player who had more potential to break it big every time he lined up. _________________
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mse326 
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Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 1:07 pm Post subject: |
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| MaddHatter wrote: | | For me, this is Deacon Jones in a landslide - he had more (unofficial) sacks and practically invented half the moves that DE's used after him. He is the GOAT at his position with White coming 2nd or 3rd |
I don't know where RP found it, not that I question him, but in the original post it has Jones at 173.5 sacks (if sacks were official). Reggie had 198, that's an extra two good seasons and he only played 1 extra so Reggie beats him in sacks.
And Deacon's main move was the head slap which I believe is no longer legal. White is the GOAT with Deacon a very close second. _________________
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Ryan_Pickett 
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Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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| mse326 wrote: | | MaddHatter wrote: | | For me, this is Deacon Jones in a landslide - he had more (unofficial) sacks and practically invented half the moves that DE's used after him. He is the GOAT at his position with White coming 2nd or 3rd |
I don't know where RP found it, not that I question him, but in the original post it has Jones at 173.5 sacks (if sacks were official). Reggie had 198, that's an extra two good seasons and he only played 1 extra so Reggie beats him in sacks.
And Deacon's main move was the head slap which I believe is no longer legal. White is the GOAT with Deacon a very close second. |
If Im not mistaken, White played 15 years in the NFL and Jones played 13, so the difference as you say would be the same. Also keep in mind, back in Jones day they played fewer games. Career wise White played in 41 more games than Jones.
Also in terms of him using the head slap; yes he could do it and today's players cant, but should we penalize him for doing what he could and taking advantage of the rules? Different era and different types of players and you have to take what each guy did in contexts. Should Night Train Lane not be considered the best CB ever since he was allowed to practically mug the WR across from him because the rules were different?
Just some food for thought. _________________
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mse326 
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Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Ryan_Pickett wrote: | | mse326 wrote: | | MaddHatter wrote: | | For me, this is Deacon Jones in a landslide - he had more (unofficial) sacks and practically invented half the moves that DE's used after him. He is the GOAT at his position with White coming 2nd or 3rd |
I don't know where RP found it, not that I question him, but in the original post it has Jones at 173.5 sacks (if sacks were official). Reggie had 198, that's an extra two good seasons and he only played 1 extra so Reggie beats him in sacks.
And Deacon's main move was the head slap which I believe is no longer legal. White is the GOAT with Deacon a very close second. |
If Im not mistaken, White played 15 years in the NFL and Jones played 13, so the difference as you say would be the same. Also keep in mind, back in Jones day they played fewer games. Career wise White played in 41 more games than Jones.
Also in terms of him using the head slap; yes he could do it and today's players cant, but should we penalize him for doing what he could and taking advantage of the rules? Different era and different types of players and you have to take what each guy did in contexts. Should Night Train Lane not be considered the best CB ever since he was allowed to practically mug the WR across from him because the rules were different?
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Deacon played 14. He played '61-'74. Finished his career with Washington
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I'm not penalizing him for the head slap. It was mentioned that he invented the moves used today, and I just wanted to bring up that still the movie he used most and is most famous for can't be used today.
I didn't think about the game difference, that I should of. given that it was towards the end I would then say relatively equal in terms of sacks. Still like I said, I don't know that you can distinguish between them with any measurable stat. Just eyeball. I haven't seen nearly as much of Jones since it is jsut stuff on like NFL Films and stuff (I wasn't even born til '86). That may cloud my judgement a bit and I accept that, but still from what I've seen I personally like Reggie a little better. But I certainly wouldn't kick Deacon out of bed.  _________________
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Ryan_Pickett 
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Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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| mse326 wrote: | | Ryan_Pickett wrote: | | mse326 wrote: | | MaddHatter wrote: | | For me, this is Deacon Jones in a landslide - he had more (unofficial) sacks and practically invented half the moves that DE's used after him. He is the GOAT at his position with White coming 2nd or 3rd |
I don't know where RP found it, not that I question him, but in the original post it has Jones at 173.5 sacks (if sacks were official). Reggie had 198, that's an extra two good seasons and he only played 1 extra so Reggie beats him in sacks.
And Deacon's main move was the head slap which I believe is no longer legal. White is the GOAT with Deacon a very close second. |
If Im not mistaken, White played 15 years in the NFL and Jones played 13, so the difference as you say would be the same. Also keep in mind, back in Jones day they played fewer games. Career wise White played in 41 more games than Jones.
Also in terms of him using the head slap; yes he could do it and today's players cant, but should we penalize him for doing what he could and taking advantage of the rules? Different era and different types of players and you have to take what each guy did in contexts. Should Night Train Lane not be considered the best CB ever since he was allowed to practically mug the WR across from him because the rules were different?
Just some food for thought. |
Deacon played 14. He played '61-'74. Finished his career with Washington
Pro Reference |
Fair enough, I stand corrected on that issue. Either way, the games played is still substantially different. If Jones played the difference in games, he would be right there with Reggie White IMO.
Either way like you said, they are both great, great players. _________________
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Apathy
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Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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| I'll take Reggie White. Deacon Jones was a monster but people seem to forget that back then in the 60s there weren't many big offensive lineman that could miss with him looking at a physical standpoint 6'6 272. Now today just about every starting DE is 6'5 260. |
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Uncle Buck 
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Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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This is really a tough call. I can barely remember watching Deacon Jones play, but I do remember that his name got called a lot.
If I had to pick, I'd probably go with the Minister of Defense just because I like the Packers better than the Rams and I'm a homer.  _________________
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spush 
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Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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Deacon was a better pass rusher, Reggie was better against the run.
A conspiracy theory to Reggie's death is during his time players ate VIOXX like candy as pain meds. It was legal, but studies later found it was linked to heart attacks. It was pulled from the market in 2004, White died a few short months later. Several players have stated in the past that nearly every team passed out Vioxx like candy.
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Truly a great DE, DT, and 5 technique who excelled in every system he played in. Both players were surrounded by incredible talent during their careers, yet both stood out as the best of the bunch by far. _________________
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