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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2016 1:05 am    Post subject: It's never too early...2017 team needs Reply with quote

So I have about a month of complete idleness between graduation and starting work, and I'm already getting pretty bored. Which means it's time to speculate about what our team needs will be heading into draft season next year! Laughing

I see it like this:

1. CB
We all love Jason McCourty, but he isn't getting any younger and it's been awhile since he's been completely healthy. I get the sense he's entering the twilight of his career, and to make matters worse all we have behind him are Perrish Cox and a bunch of scrubs. We need talent here in the worst way. Tennessee's Cam Sutton is far and away the best CB prospect in the 2017 draft and I'd be elated if we could get him. He's the total package- checks every single physical box, has great ball skills, is a high-character guy and a team leader, and to top it off he's an excellent return man as well. I honestly might have had him above Jalen Ramsey in this draft. I know KT had his #BringJalenHome campaign...I'm starting #KeepCamHome right now. Wink

2. EDGE
You can never have too many good pass rushers. I know we just drafted Kevin Dodd, and this need could shift depending on his performance and if we get some surprise contributions from Deiontrez Mount and Aaron Wallace, but we're still missing a true playmaking edge rusher who has the twitchiness and first step to be a nightmare for offensive tackles. This is a really top-heavy edge class with guys like Myles Garrett, Derek Barnett, and more, and we definitely should consider snagging one of them if we can.

3. WR
DGB showed flashes last year but had just as many boneheaded moments. Here's hoping he can build on his rookie year and show some semblance of consistency, as it would go a long way to solving our WR woes. Rishard Matthews should add some much-needed consistency, but he's not a #1. If Kendall Wright could stop falling down and getting injured that'd be pretty nice, but I get the feeling he's trending down and won't be a Titan for a whole lot longer. Behind those three is a load of hot garbage. The top WR for next year at the moment seems to be USC's Juju Smith-Schuster, which if nothing else definitely should be in the running for best name in the draft. I haven't paid him much attention at all. A guy I'm really impressed by is Western Michigan's Corey Davis, who has been hugely productive his entire college career and is a YAC monster.

4. ILB
Avery Williamson and Wesley Woodyard are both solid starters here- nothing more, nothing less. Woodyard is a veteran and we pretty much know what we're getting with him- plus he ain't getting any younger. Williamson, on the other hand, is still young and it'd be really nice if he took his game to the next level this year and became a bona fide stud in the middle of our defense. However, I'm not sure I'd count on that happening, so while this isn't a pressing need it'd be great to find a true playmaking ILB to replace Woodyard.

5. TE
We have a good group here- I'd actually say it's the best group on our team. Delanie is obviously fantastic, Fasano is no slouch, and Stevens is good depth. However, Walker and Fasano are both on the wrong side of 30, and I think it'd behoove us to look for a good receiving tight end in the mid-rounds of the draft to groom behind them for a year or two.

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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2016 2:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1.) Head Coach
2.) CB
3.) OT
4.) TE
5.) WR

And Sutton as top CB prospect far and away? Confused He's good and might be #1 but right now Tabor and King are over him.
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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2016 6:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know TE is def a position that will need to be addressed. Johnsons on a 1 year deal right? So if no one else emerges as the next guy Safety is another position that will be addressed. I don't have an order because I have no idea who emerges as what but CB S TE WR and MLB are prob the 5 I'd say right now might need to be addressed going into next offseason. If Warmack chokes this year I'm hoping Poutasi or Tret are ready to step in and start next year. Another position that could be a need is NT Woods Johnson and Blackson are really gonna have to step up bd plug some gaps.
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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2016 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ttitansfan4life wrote:
And Sutton as top CB prospect far and away? Confused He's good and might be #1 but right now Tabor and King are over him.

King is a zone corner through and through. i don't know that he's a scheme fit. Tabor is good and toolsy, but Sutton's more sound in coverage (though Tabor has a lot of untapped potential that he could make good on this upcoming season)
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Titans fan 617 wrote:
I know TE is def a position that will need to be addressed. Johnsons on a 1 year deal right? So if no one else emerges as the next guy Safety is another position that will be addressed. I don't have an order because I have no idea who emerges as what but CB S TE WR and MLB are prob the 5 I'd say right now might need to be addressed going into next offseason. If Warmack chokes this year I'm hoping Poutasi or Tret are ready to step in and start next year. Another position that could be a need is NT Woods Johnson and Blackson are really gonna have to step up bd plug some gaps.


Unless Byard is absolutely terrible when he plays this year, FS is probably his position next year with Johnson gone.
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TitanLegend wrote:
Titans fan 617 wrote:
I know TE is def a position that will need to be addressed. Johnsons on a 1 year deal right? So if no one else emerges as the next guy Safety is another position that will be addressed. I don't have an order because I have no idea who emerges as what but CB S TE WR and MLB are prob the 5 I'd say right now might need to be addressed going into next offseason. If Warmack chokes this year I'm hoping Poutasi or Tret are ready to step in and start next year. Another position that could be a need is NT Woods Johnson and Blackson are really gonna have to step up bd plug some gaps.


Unless Byard is absolutely terrible when he plays this year, FS is probably his position next year with Johnson gone.


Agreed but right now we just don't know what he turns into. I get the concept of the thread it's never to early to look ahead but we have a lot of guys in certain positions that if any of them emerge as a future starter that changes the dynamic at certain positions. If DGB becomes a legit number 1 him and Matthews are solid number 2s then your need at WR only becomes depth guys with Wright Hunter and Douglas almost out the door. If Austin Johnson or Dobb become good as rookies that helps going into 17 but that's the beauty of this excersie trying to project
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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2016 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ttitansfan4life wrote:
1.) Head Coach
2.) CB
3.) OT
4.) TE
5.) WR

And Sutton as top CB prospect far and away? Confused He's good and might be #1 but right now Tabor and King are over him.


Curious why you have OT as essentially the second highest need? Lewan and Conklin are a pretty good tandem assuming Conklin pans out. Are you predicting that in the span of 16 games we are going to just give up on one or both of them and move on?

My top 5 needs as of right now would be
1. CB
2. ILB
3. S
4. OG
5. WR/TE if DGB pans out then TE here if not then WR.
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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2016 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lovetitans wrote:
ttitansfan4life wrote:
1.) Head Coach
2.) CB
3.) OT
4.) TE
5.) WR

And Sutton as top CB prospect far and away? Confused He's good and might be #1 but right now Tabor and King are over him.


Curious why you have OT as essentially the second highest need? Lewan and Conklin are a pretty good tandem assuming Conklin pans out. Are you predicting that in the span of 16 games we are going to just give up on one or both of them and move on?

My top 5 needs as of right now would be
1. CB
2. ILB
3. S
4. OG
5. WR/TE if DGB pans out then TE here if not then WR.


I said before the draft that Conklin long term is an OG. He might not fail as miserably as Poutasi did but long-term, to me his best position is inside at OG. Also if Lewan doesn't show A LOT more this season and stay healthy, well OT definitely is a top need.
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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2016 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We will see how things turn out. For all we know we could be looking at a Guard. The main thing we know for certain though is we need.

1.Corner
2.Wide Receiver
3.Inside Linebacker
4.Defensive End
5.Edge Rusher
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As it stands, these are the positions of need that stick out to me...

1. CB - Time's running out for McCourty, and injuries keep piling up between him and Cox. We should look for a potential starter next offseason.

2. TE - Delanie and Stevens still have game, but it's time to get some quality youth to grow with Mariota and the offense and eventually take over.

3. ILB - We still need better depth and possible starters behind Williamson and Woodyard. He should push Woodyard for the starting job.

4. DE (speed rusher) - Need more speed on the D-line opposite of Casey.

5. KR/PR Specialist - We've been needing a viable threat in our return game for a while.

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I'm not college fb smart but who are the top players coming out next year? My question is let's say LA finishes with the a top 3 pick for us do the Titans try and trade it away again like this year if a team needs a qb or is there a player they should use it on? Will we be in a spot if we have a pick close to the top where the Titans won't feel comfortable drafting a CB like how some rumors were about not wanting to take Ramsey so high. Just trying to understand who are the guys I should be looking out for next year and where should I hope the LA pick lands. But the majority all agrees CB is a big need going forward. But should the Titans take a CB with which ever pick comes first or could CB wait for the 2nd pick in the 1st?
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Titans fan 617 wrote:
I'm not college fb smart but who are the top players coming out next year? My question is let's say LA finishes with the a top 3 pick for us do the Titans try and trade it away again like this year if a team needs a qb or is there a player they should use it on? Will we be in a spot if we have a pick close to the top where the Titans won't feel comfortable drafting a CB like how some rumors were about not wanting to take Ramsey so high. Just trying to understand who are the guys I should be looking out for next year and where should I hope the LA pick lands. But the majority all agrees CB is a big need going forward. But should the Titans take a CB with which ever pick comes first or could CB wait for the 2nd pick in the 1st?


Myles Garrett all the way. Best player in college football and elite pass-rusher. I'm guessing LA finishes around 8-8 and us around 5-11. I'd honestly probably be willing to part with both 1st to move up just to secure Garrett.
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ttitansfan4life wrote:
Titans fan 617 wrote:
I'm not college fb smart but who are the top players coming out next year? My question is let's say LA finishes with the a top 3 pick for us do the Titans try and trade it away again like this year if a team needs a qb or is there a player they should use it on? Will we be in a spot if we have a pick close to the top where the Titans won't feel comfortable drafting a CB like how some rumors were about not wanting to take Ramsey so high. Just trying to understand who are the guys I should be looking out for next year and where should I hope the LA pick lands. But the majority all agrees CB is a big need going forward. But should the Titans take a CB with which ever pick comes first or could CB wait for the 2nd pick in the 1st?


Myles Garrett all the way. Best player in college football and elite pass-rusher. I'm guessing LA finishes around 8-8 and us around 5-11. I'd honestly probably be willing to part with both 1st to move up just to secure Garrett.


My issue with Garrett is it seems he disappears at times, often against the better teams.

Of his 24 sacks, only 12.5 have come against SEC or other power 5 opponents opponents. 11.5 have come against a combination of Lamar, Rice, Louisiana Monroe and Nevada.

He only has 1 multi-sack game against SEC opponents and that was vs South Carolina's poor o-line last year.

Talented player, but I think people spend far too much time hyping him based on his numbers alone without realizing nearly half of those statistics come from powder puff competition.

You compare that against the other top edge defender/rusher in the draft in Barnett, who has had all but 1 of his 20 sacks come against SEC or other power 5 competition, and Barnett didn't play much the first 4 games of his freshman year and dealt with injuries the first half of his second year.

Barnett isn't really relevant to us because I don't think he fits well in a 3-4, but using him as a base to compare another top edge rusher makes me question whether or not Garrett is worth the hype, and certainly makes me question him being worth trading up for.

As it stands right now(and I'm more than willing to be convinced otherwise), I would be okay with spending a first round pick on him, even a pretty early one, but trading both first round picks to move up and get him? Not sure I see that same value until he proves he can win against the SEC opponents with more consistency.
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While I agree with your list, I don't think I've saw anyone list Cam Sutton as the best CB prospect. Honestly, he's not even in the top 3 that I usually see mentioned.
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TitanLegend wrote:
ttitansfan4life wrote:
Titans fan 617 wrote:
I'm not college fb smart but who are the top players coming out next year? My question is let's say LA finishes with the a top 3 pick for us do the Titans try and trade it away again like this year if a team needs a qb or is there a player they should use it on? Will we be in a spot if we have a pick close to the top where the Titans won't feel comfortable drafting a CB like how some rumors were about not wanting to take Ramsey so high. Just trying to understand who are the guys I should be looking out for next year and where should I hope the LA pick lands. But the majority all agrees CB is a big need going forward. But should the Titans take a CB with which ever pick comes first or could CB wait for the 2nd pick in the 1st?


Myles Garrett all the way. Best player in college football and elite pass-rusher. I'm guessing LA finishes around 8-8 and us around 5-11. I'd honestly probably be willing to part with both 1st to move up just to secure Garrett.


My issue with Garrett is it seems he disappears at times, often against the better teams.

Of his 24 sacks, only 12.5 have come against SEC or other power 5 opponents opponents. 11.5 have come against a combination of Lamar, Rice, Louisiana Monroe and Nevada.

He only has 1 multi-sack game against SEC opponents and that was vs South Carolina's poor o-line last year.

Talented player, but I think people spend far too much time hyping him based on his numbers alone without realizing nearly half of those statistics come from powder puff competition.

You compare that against the other top edge defender/rusher in the draft in Barnett, who has had all but 1 of his 20 sacks come against SEC or other power 5 competition, and Barnett didn't play much the first 4 games of his freshman year and dealt with injuries the first half of his second year.

Barnett isn't really relevant to us because I don't think he fits well in a 3-4, but using him as a base to compare another top edge rusher makes me question whether or not Garrett is worth the hype, and certainly makes me question him being worth trading up for.

As it stands right now(and I'm more than willing to be convinced otherwise), I would be okay with spending a first round pick on him, even a pretty early one, but trading both first round picks to move up and get him? Not sure I see that same value until he proves he can win against the SEC opponents with more consistency.


Most teams are considering him the best player in college football right now. He's going to see Clowney's level of attention his final year on college. Provided he doesn't have Clowney's red flags I want him badly. I don't think I'd give up both firsts for him though.
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