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PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 12:48 am    Post subject: 2008 Draft Talk Reply with quote

Howdy gang, and welcome to the 2008 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread. Here's how it works:
- This thread is for general draft talk. Things like "Wow, I can't believe that the Cowboys took Anthony Morelli at 22," and "I think the Eagles are going to take Chris Long now, I can't believe that he's fallen this far!" go in this thread.

- BatCountry! and I will be starting threads for each draft pick in advance. These threads are for speculation about the draft pick, discussion relating specifically to the Eagles' pick, and subsequently talk about the player/pick itself once it's made.

- By all means, feel free to start separate threads for more in-depth discussion. Examples of topics for more in-depth discussion are "CBs: Why are they slipping?" and "Does this draft prove that character doesn't matter?" These all make for good topics to debate, and as such are deserving of their own threads.

- Please do not start new threads simply to say "We drafted Chris Long! Woo!" or "Welcome to Philly!" or "Haha, Dallas sucks for drafting a kicker in the first round!" Just like every other day of the year, forum rules apply. Warnings can and will be given out if rules are violated (for example, trolling, name calling, post padding, etc.).

- BatCountry! and I will be around all weekend to answer any questions and solve any problems that you have. If a troll enters our forum, please, please do not respond. If there is a fight, both parties are equally punished. If you witness and rule violations, please PM either me or BatCountry! (or both, preferably) so that it is assured that a mod is aware of it and can resolve the situation as soon as possible. Thank you all in advance.

- For the time being until shortly following the draft, we have unstickyed all other threads as to avoid clutter at the top of the page.

Now, without further ado...


Draft Trades
- Eagles trade (19) to Panthers for (43), (109), and 2009 1st Round Pick
- Eagles trade (115) to Dolphins for RB Lorenzo Booker
- Eagles trade (43) and (152) to Vikings for (47) and (117)
- Eagles trade (191) to Browns for 2009 5th Round Pick

Round 1, Pick 19 (19) (Traded to Panthers)
Round 2, Pick 12 (43) (From Panthers, Traded to Vikings)
Round 2, Pick 16 (47) (From Vikings) - Trevor Laws (DT) Notre Dame
Round 2, Pick 18 (49) - DeSean Jackson (WR) California
Round 3, Pick 17 (80) - Bryan Smith (DE) McNeese State
Round 4, Pick 10 (109) (From Panthers) - Mike McGlynn (OT) Pittsburgh
Round 4, Pick 16 (115) (Traded to Dolphins)
Round 4, Pick 18 (117) (From Vikings) - Quentin Demps (FS) UTEP
Round 4, Pick 32 (131) (Compensatory selection) - Jack Ikegwuonu (CB) Wisconsin
Round 5, Pick 17 (152) (Traded to Vikings)
Round 6, Pick 18 (184) - Mike Gibson (G) California
Round 6, Pick 25 (191) (From Browns, Traded to Browns)
Round 6, Pick 34 (200) (Compensatory selection) - Joe Mays (ILB) North Dakota State
Round 6, Pick 37 (203) (Compensatory selection) - Andy Studebaker (DE/OLB) Wheaton
Round 7, Pick 23 (230) (From Seahawks) - King Dunlap (OT) Auburn
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 1:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm glad to see this thread up. A sign of how close the draft is. I have 2 questions.

Steegles, what happened to the threads for poster introduction and the topics that were stickyed? I know you are supposed to take away all the threads that were stickyed but have they been deleted or will they come back.

Also for anybody that knows what happened to the pick we were supposed to get for Kelly Holcomb? I thought we got a 6 this year but the Vikings traded their 6 to the Chiefs in the Allen trade.

Anybody know what's going on with that?
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Save Lito! I want Lito to remain an eagle.
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Free Safety Preview
#1

DaJuan Morgan
Free Safety
North Carolina State
Junior

Positives
+Great Size for Safety Position
+Good Athletic Ability
+Range is Exceptional
+Fluid Hips
+Great Ball Skills
+Hits With Power and Force
+Good in Zone
+Able to Read a QB and Make a Play
+Good on Special Teams
+Outstanding Work Ethic
+Passion for the Game and Outstanding Leadership Skills
+Good Character
+ Playmaker

Negatives
-One Year Starter Only
-Takes Questionable Angles at Times
-Will go for Big Hit too Often
-Over Aggressive at Times when reading a QB
-Tends to Freelance at Times
-Tends to Rely on Instincts too Much

Analysis
Morgan is the top FS in the draft bar none. He should be available at 49 and does a lot of the things Dawkins did well coming out. Read some of Dawk’s scouting reports coming out. Now I am not saying this kid will be Dawk, but with good coaching he can be a Pro-Bowl player in time, in addition to being a Special Teams demon.

#2

Charles Godfrey
Free Safety/Cornerback
Iowa
6-Foot-0 207 Pounds
Senior

Positives
+Great Size
+Great Athlete
+Versatile, Having Played CB and FS
+Improving Technique and Play Recognition
+Physical Defender
+Good Open Field Tackler and Intimidating Hitter
+Plays The Run Well
+Smooth Hips Allow Him to Turn and Run with WRs
+Good in Zone
+Reads Opposing QBs Eyes Well, Allowing Him to Get a Better Break on the Ball
+Learned to Use His Hands Well
+Hard Worker
+Team Leader
+Upside

Negatives
-Technique is Still Raw
-Needs to Play Up to Top Speed
-Faster Than He is Quick
-Needs to Break Down Plays Faster
-Draws Penalties for Interference Because f Physical Play
-Needs to Improve Backpedal

Analysis
Much like Tanard Jackson last season, Godfrey is a College Corner, but projects as an NFL Free Safety who would also be able to play a bit of corner. He has improved in man and zone and is a good tackler and hitter.


#3

Kenny Phillips
Free Safety/Strong Safety
6-foot-1 , 210 Pounds
Miami
Junior

Positives
+Great Size for Either Safety Spot
+Versatility, Has Played Free and Strong Safety at Miami
+Very Good Athlete for His Size
+Plays the Run Well
+Has Good Hips, Which Allows Him to Stick With People In Coverage
+Quick Feet
+Very Competitive
+Has Flashed The Ability of a Top Safety
+Upside

Negatives
-Average Tackler at Best
-Ball Skills are Average
-Gets Lost in Coverage
-Can Get Hesitant
-Doesn’t Play Up to Athletic Ability
-Injury Risk
-Average Instincts
-Bust Potential

Analysis
Phillips has everything you look for physically in a Safety, but has yet to put it all together, and still makes a lot of mental errors in the defensive backfield. He went to Miami, which is considered Safety U, but he is not as finished a product as the other Miami guys were coming out. He will likely get over drafted because of his school and potential, but he is a mid 2nd at best in my opinion.

# 4

Reggie Smith
Free Safety/Cornerback
6-foot-1 , 200 Pounds
Oklahoma
Junior

Positives
+Versatility
+Great Size for a CB or FS
+Very Good Tackler
+Plays Physical
+Very Good Ball Skills
+Good Instincts
+Drives on the Ball Quickly
+Good Range
+Can Return Punts
+Experienced (36 Starts in 3 Seasons)

Negatives
-Has Lapses in Concentration
-Takes Poor Angles at Times
-Tight Hipped
-Can Get Too Stiff
-Doesn’t Have Great Speed
-Oklahoma DBs Tend to Not Do Well in the NFL

Analysis
Smith looks good on tape, but is he going to fall into the same boat as other Oklahoma DBs in the NFL. If he does he will be a bust, but he shows the skill and potential to be a very good safety in the NFL. He could be a steal in round 2 if he plays the way he does in college.

# 5

Quintin Demps
Free Safety
6-foot-0 , 205 Pounds
UTEP
Senior

Positives
+Good Coverage Skill
+Very Effective Playing the Deep Zone or In Man on a TE
+Great Ball Skills
+Great Hands
+Return Experience
+Good Athlete
+Good Size
+Outstanding Production
+Four Year Starter

Negatives
-Competition Faced Wasn’t the Top Competition the Other S have played
-Tackling is Suspect
-Didn’t Have a Great Senior Bowl
-Lacks Speed and Acceleration
-Average Range
-Plays tight

Analysis
He could be a solid starter in the NFL, but at worst is a great bench S and a very good special teams guy. He is a pure FS who has good coverage skills and possibly the best ball skills among FS in this draft. He will be an NFL player.

6-Thomas DeCoud
7-Simeon Castile
8-Marcus Griffin
9-David Roach
10-Jonathan Hefeney
11-Dennis Keyes
12-Bobbie Williams
13-D.J. Parker
14-Corey Lynch
15-Roger Williams


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eagles27 wrote:
I'm glad to see this thread up. A sign of how close the draft is. I have 2 questions.

Steegles, what happened to the threads for poster introduction and the topics that were stickyed? I know you are supposed to take away all the threads that were stickyed but have they been deleted or will they come back.

Also for anybody that knows what happened to the pick we were supposed to get for Kelly Holcomb? I thought we got a 6 this year but the Vikings traded their 6 to the Chiefs in the Allen trade.

Anybody know what's going on with that?



1) They've just been unstickied for the draft weekend, but they'll be back next week. It's just to focus all the attention on the draft for everyone visiting the site.

2) http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp07/news/story?id=2993466 Holcomb was traded for a 6th round pick in 2009. I'm actually glad though, because I would have no clue how we would handle it if we had five 6th round picks in one draft. Shocked
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#1

Devin Thomas
6-foot-2, 220 Pounds
Wide Receiver
Michigan State
Junior

Positives
+Ideal Size
+Willing to Go Over the Middle
+Great at Getting YAC
+Physical
+Can Beat the Press, and Separate With His Speed
+Nose For the Endzone
+Big Play Capability
+Great Instincts and Field Awareness
+Kick Return Threat
+Upside is Limitless
+Great On Reverses
+Naturally Gifted With a Ball in His Hands
+Willing Blocker

Negatives
-Route Running Needs Fine Tuning
-One Year Wonder?
-Can Run a Bit Tight At Times
-Will Sometimes Drop Passes
-Doesn’t Always Play Up to Timed Speed

Analysis
Thomas compares favorably to Andre Johnson of the Texans. He is a big wide out who can use his speed or physicality to beat and DB and is a superior athlete. He also has good hands and reportedly interviewed very well at the combine. He could play right away because of his versatility to return kicks, and be even more effective if he improves his routes. I have him as the #1 WR in the draft.


#2

James Hardy
6-foot-5, 220 Pounds
Wide Receiver
Indiana
Junior

Positives
+Big Bodied Wide-out
+Ability to Go Up and Get the Ball
+Physically a Mismatch for Any Corner
+Good Hands
+Great Body Control
+Good Athlete
+Willing to Go Over The Middle
+Great in the Redzone
+Production
+Has Upside

Negatives
-Character
-Lack of Explosion
-Not a Great Blocker
-Runs Bad Routes
-Raw
-Too Inconsistent


Analysis
My #2 WR compares a lot to Harold Carmichael. He has size and great hands to be a terror, but still needs to learn how to run routes and be a better blocker. He also has character concerns coming out, as he was arrested for reportedly hitting his girlfriend.

#3

Limas Sweed
Wide Receiver
6-foot-4 , 212 Pounds
Texas
Senior

Positives
+Great Hands
+Great Leaping Ability
+Great Body Control
+Physical and Can Beat the Jam
+Willing to Go Over the Middle
+Shows Great Field Awareness
+Tracks the Ball Well When it is in the Air
+Good Athlete for His Size
+Good Timed Speed
+Comes Through in the Clutch
+Great Work Ethic

Negatives
-Doesn’t Play Up to His Timed Speed
-Not Good at Getting YAC yardage
-Needs to Use His Body to Shield Defenders Better
-Needs to Run Better Routes
-Injury Risk

Analysis
Sweed is compared a lot to former Longhorn Roy Williams, but I don’t see it. He is more like Keyshawn Johnson, because he doesn’t have the deep speed of Williams, or the YAC ability. He has good size, but needs to get better getting YAC, especially if he goes to a team that runs a WCO.

#4

Jordy Nelson
Wide Receiver
6-foot-3, 215 Pounds
Kansas State
Senior

Positives
+Great Size
+Great Hands, Rarely Drops Anything
+Able to Get the YAC
+Willing to Go Over the Middle
+Great on 3rd Down at Moving the Chains
+Good Cutback Ability
+Can Shake a Defender With a Good Head Fake
+Will Play Hurt
+Converted QB, So He Knows How an Offense is Run
+Shows Upside as a Return Man
+Great Character
+Plays Well Against Top Competition
+Great Production

Negatives
-Route Running could be fine tuned
-Not Blazing Speed
-Needs to Improve his Blocking
-Not as Experienced as You Would Like
-Looks More Like a Slot WR Than an Outside Receiver
-Limited Upside?

Analysis
Looks a lot like Ed McCaffery. A guy who was a good not great athlete, but just has an unheard of feel for the game. He has the hands, size and talent to be a good wide-out, and also has added value as a return man. He is a guy I could see the Eagles grabbing at 49.

#5

Earl Bennett
Wide Receiver
Vanderbilt
Junior

Positives
+ Great Hands
+ Great Route Runner
+Great Body Control
+Willing to go over the middle
+Very Smart Player
+Great Array of Head Fakes and Moves to Get Separation
+Highly Productive
+Has Shown Ability to Snag Bullets With Ease
+Return Ability
+Brakes Well on the Ball
+Great Concentration

Negatives
-Athletic Ability Leaves A Lot to be Desired
-Speed Is Only Average
-Stats May Be Padded Because He is the Only Threat on the Vanderbilt Team
-Not a Vertical Threat
-Limited Upside

Analysis
Looks to be a very good bet to be a good receiver and could contribute immediately. Good player with all the intangibles, but is very limited athletically. He reminds me of Marvin Harrison because of his feel for the game, his hands, and his route running and ability to fight for the ball and his timing, not necessarily height on jump balls.

6-Malcolm Kelly
7-Mario Manningham
8-DeSean Jackson
9-Donnie Avery
10-Eddie Royal
11-Early Doucet
12-Andre Caldwell
13-Dexter Jackson
14-Adarius Bowman
15-Lavelle Hawkins


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was just wondering what channels the draft will be shown on?? I guess the NFL network, but will it also be shown on espn??
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mm6492 wrote:
was just wondering what channels the draft will be shown on?? I guess the NFL network, but will it also be shown on espn??


It will be shown on ESPN:

Rd. 1: Saturday, 3 p.m. ET, 10 min. to make pick
Rd. 2: Saturday, 7 min. to make pick
Rds. 3-7: Sunday, 10 a.m., 5 min. to make pick
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BatCountry! wrote:
Eagles27 wrote:
I'm glad to see this thread up. A sign of how close the draft is. I have 2 questions.

Steegles, what happened to the threads for poster introduction and the topics that were stickyed? I know you are supposed to take away all the threads that were stickyed but have they been deleted or will they come back.

Also for anybody that knows what happened to the pick we were supposed to get for Kelly Holcomb? I thought we got a 6 this year but the Vikings traded their 6 to the Chiefs in the Allen trade.

Anybody know what's going on with that?



1) They've just been unstickied for the draft weekend, but they'll be back next week. It's just to focus all the attention on the draft for everyone visiting the site.

2) http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp07/news/story?id=2993466 Holcomb was traded for a 6th round pick in 2009. I'm actually glad though, because I would have no clue how we would handle it if we had five 6th round picks in one draft. Shocked

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mm6492 wrote:
was just wondering what channels the draft will be shown on?? I guess the NFL network, but will it also be shown on espn??


For those of us in the UK - which I think is basically just Mark & I it will be on Sky Sports 3 @ 8pm which is interesting as that means there is no pre-draft stuff which I find a bit strange. It appears we can only watch the 1st two rounds as there doesn't look to be anything on Sunday.
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mm6492 wrote:
was just wondering what channels the draft will be shown on?? I guess the NFL network, but will it also be shown on espn??


For those of us in the UK - which I think is basically just Mark & I it will be on Sky Sports 3 @ 8pm which is interesting as that means there is no pre-draft stuff which I find a bit strange. It appears we can only watch the 1st two rounds as there doesn't look to be anything on Sunday.


It's worse than that UKEF, we only get the first round. What's even worse is, we may not see all of it, the progam is sheduled to finish at midnight, and there's a good chance the 1st round won't be finished by then. I don't see why they don't do the whole first day, its not like anyone's gonna be watching old repeats of motorcross or bowls at 1 am on a sunday morning. After the 1st round, I'll be tuning in on the NFL website, and I'll be doing the same on Sunday. Man, I've got a fun weekend planned Dancing
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^^Glad I have NFLN.

I remember not being able to watch 4 years ago. Sad
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Up here in north jersey we got thunder storms and rain alllll weekend Dancing Dancing Dancing Laughing
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^^Glad I have NFLN.

I remember not being able to watch 4 years ago. Sad


This is the first year we've got the draft on telly, so we're lucky. The last few years, I've had to use espn radio/eagles live/this website to find out who we draft.
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marky_b27 wrote:
Eagles27 wrote:
^^Glad I have NFLN.

I remember not being able to watch 4 years ago. Sad


This is the first year we've got the draft on telly, so we're lucky. The last few years, I've had to use espn radio/eagles live/this website to find out who we draft.

The draft is becoming such a huge event that I'm sure you'll get the entire brodcast within a year or 2.
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