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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 2:53 pm    Post subject: Draft Needs Reply with quote

This obviously a bit premature, but we don't really get much action in this sub-forum and I thought I would bolster some discussion.

Barring some devastating injuries or an absolute meltdown, we will be picking between 21-32. We're looking at aging DEs at CJ and Jarred Allen, Tillman who has lost a step, uncertain futures at the running back position, and last but not least a stop-gap LT, albeit a capable one, in Michael Oher.

If I had to order our needs I would say:

DE
OT
CB/Safety
RB
WR

I could see us using our first round pick on any of these positions, aside from WR that is.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DE is far-and-away the #1 draft target... heck, it might be another back-to-back 1st & 2nd round thing.

Allen and CJ are both probably out after this year (due to contracts) and, even if Allen will take less money to play for a contender (feels good to say that), we still need an eventual replacement and/or rotational depth.

Our ability to generate a pass rush is paramount.

We can snag middle-rounder DB's and still be effective, but the front 7 is our top priority.

After that, RB/OT/WR/CB/S

I'd love to see a draft where we go
1st. DE
2nd. DE
3ed. RB
4th. S
5th. CB

I don't think we've got our 6th or 7th based on this years trades... And worst we can pick in the 1st is 31st due to the Pats vacating their pick.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. Starting LT
2. Starting CB (Norman and Tillman are FAs, Rivera emphasized wanting Colin Jones to focus on ST).
3. DE depth with CJ and Allen aging/potentially gone and obviously we struggle without CJ, so... (I guarantee G-Man figures out a way to keep CJ though)
4. Wide receiver since our WR corps is still bunk. I get that its been working this year but imagine if we had WRs that could actually start on other teams instead of what we're dealing with now.
5. Guard depth since Silatolu is a FA and Chandler/Scott suck.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If Norman leaves for another team and Tillman isn't resigned(which I believe he won't be), CB has to be our #1 position of need. If we franchise tag or resign Norman this is what our position of needs should look like.

1) DE: CJ and Allen are old and might not be on this team come next year, Ealy is starting to look sharper in his second year, but other than that it's all rotational players.

2) OT: Oher and Remmers have arguably given Cam the most time he has seen in the pocket since he was drafted to us, but we need a long term upgrade over Oher.

3) Safety: Harper will be gone after this year, and Coleman has another year left on his contract. I don't mind Coleman starting another year back there, but we need to replace Harper seeing that Tre Boston looks as if he's struggling.

4) WR: It's simple, surround Cam with more weapons. KB, Funch, and *insert draft pick here*, should be our top 3 receivers with Ginn/Brown in the slot. Cotch will be on the team for the next few years under contract unless he is cut, he has been a great mentor to our younger guys.

5) RB: If ain't broke, don't fix it. Stewart has been producing well as of late and we have the #1 rushing team in the NFL. We don't need an immediate impactor at this position, unless we're faced with an injury. I haven't seen enough of CAP to see if he could be our future back when Stewart's time comes.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2015 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Toughguy77 wrote:
If Norman leaves for another team and Tillman isn't resigned(which I believe he won't be), CB has to be our #1 position of need. If we franchise tag or resign Norman this is what our position of needs should look like.

1) DE: CJ and Allen are old and might not be on this team come next year, Ealy is starting to look sharper in his second year, but other than that it's all rotational players.

2) OT: Oher and Remmers have arguably given Cam the most time he has seen in the pocket since he was drafted to us, but we need a long term upgrade over Oher.

3) Safety: Harper will be gone after this year, and Coleman has another year left on his contract. I don't mind Coleman starting another year back there, but we need to replace Harper seeing that Tre Boston looks as if he's struggling.

4) WR: It's simple, surround Cam with more weapons. KB, Funch, and *insert draft pick here*, should be our top 3 receivers with Ginn/Brown in the slot. Cotch will be on the team for the next few years under contract unless he is cut, he has been a great mentor to our younger guys.

5) RB: If ain't broke, don't fix it. Stewart has been producing well as of late and we have the #1 rushing team in the NFL. We don't need an immediate impactor at this position, unless we're faced with an injury. I haven't seen enough of CAP to see if he could be our future back when Stewart's time comes.


I think they really like, and want to get playing time for CAP... it just hasn't worked out that way. Rivera said so in a recent press conference (dunno which one). I see us taking a RB too... but I think CAP and, whomever that rookie may be, will be slotted as either fighting for the #1 roll or another double-trouble.

Roman may surprise you, though. We were all calling for his head last year... he was exposed, no question about it. But, hey, this entire team was exposed. I think they like him too. He's the kind of "character" guy we like in Carolina. I agree that Norman will be Tagged.

As far as OT goes... if you are not drafting one on the first, you are probably not getting any more than these stopgap players have given us.

I believe burnoutonme ran something earlier saying how many good LT's there were in this years FA class... lets not forget that we are going to have some money next year...
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2015 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lasus83 wrote:
Toughguy77 wrote:
If Norman leaves for another team and Tillman isn't resigned(which I believe he won't be), CB has to be our #1 position of need. If we franchise tag or resign Norman this is what our position of needs should look like.

1) DE: CJ and Allen are old and might not be on this team come next year, Ealy is starting to look sharper in his second year, but other than that it's all rotational players.

2) OT: Oher and Remmers have arguably given Cam the most time he has seen in the pocket since he was drafted to us, but we need a long term upgrade over Oher.

3) Safety: Harper will be gone after this year, and Coleman has another year left on his contract. I don't mind Coleman starting another year back there, but we need to replace Harper seeing that Tre Boston looks as if he's struggling.

4) WR: It's simple, surround Cam with more weapons. KB, Funch, and *insert draft pick here*, should be our top 3 receivers with Ginn/Brown in the slot. Cotch will be on the team for the next few years under contract unless he is cut, he has been a great mentor to our younger guys.

5) RB: If ain't broke, don't fix it. Stewart has been producing well as of late and we have the #1 rushing team in the NFL. We don't need an immediate impactor at this position, unless we're faced with an injury. I haven't seen enough of CAP to see if he could be our future back when Stewart's time comes.


I think they really like, and want to get playing time for CAP... it just hasn't worked out that way. Rivera said so in a recent press conference (dunno which one). I see us taking a RB too... but I think CAP and, whomever that rookie may be, will be slotted as either fighting for the #1 roll or another double-trouble.

Roman may surprise you, though. We were all calling for his head last year... he was exposed, no question about it. But, hey, this entire team was exposed. I think they like him too. He's the kind of "character" guy we like in Carolina. I agree that Norman will be Tagged.

As far as OT goes... if you are not drafting one on the first, you are probably not getting any more than these stopgap players have given us.

I believe burnoutonme ran something earlier saying how many good LT's there were in this years FA class... lets not forget that we are going to have some money next year...


Firmly disagree with the bolded.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2015 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i also dont recall anyone calling for his head last year. he was fine. it was cason and decoud and godfrey who couldnt tackle or cover anyone.

same thing this year. he's slow as molasses and makes mistakes but it isnt like he's AWFUL or a bottom ten safety or whatever. he meshes well with our defense.
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Panthers11 wrote:
Lasus83 wrote:
Toughguy77 wrote:
If Norman leaves for another team and Tillman isn't resigned(which I believe he won't be), CB has to be our #1 position of need. If we franchise tag or resign Norman this is what our position of needs should look like.

1) DE: CJ and Allen are old and might not be on this team come next year, Ealy is starting to look sharper in his second year, but other than that it's all rotational players.

2) OT: Oher and Remmers have arguably given Cam the most time he has seen in the pocket since he was drafted to us, but we need a long term upgrade over Oher.

3) Safety: Harper will be gone after this year, and Coleman has another year left on his contract. I don't mind Coleman starting another year back there, but we need to replace Harper seeing that Tre Boston looks as if he's struggling.

4) WR: It's simple, surround Cam with more weapons. KB, Funch, and *insert draft pick here*, should be our top 3 receivers with Ginn/Brown in the slot. Cotch will be on the team for the next few years under contract unless he is cut, he has been a great mentor to our younger guys.

5) RB: If ain't broke, don't fix it. Stewart has been producing well as of late and we have the #1 rushing team in the NFL. We don't need an immediate impactor at this position, unless we're faced with an injury. I haven't seen enough of CAP to see if he could be our future back when Stewart's time comes.


I think they really like, and want to get playing time for CAP... it just hasn't worked out that way. Rivera said so in a recent press conference (dunno which one). I see us taking a RB too... but I think CAP and, whomever that rookie may be, will be slotted as either fighting for the #1 roll or another double-trouble.

Roman may surprise you, though. We were all calling for his head last year... he was exposed, no question about it. But, hey, this entire team was exposed. I think they like him too. He's the kind of "character" guy we like in Carolina. I agree that Norman will be Tagged.

As far as OT goes... if you are not drafting one on the first, you are probably not getting any more than these stopgap players have given us.

I believe burnoutonme ran something earlier saying how many good LT's there were in this years FA class... lets not forget that we are going to have some money next year...


Firmly disagree with the bolded.


I assume you are referring to the Smith hit a couple seasons ago?
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i also dont recall anyone calling for his head last year. he was fine. it was cason and decoud and godfrey who couldnt tackle or cover anyone.

same thing this year. he's slow as molasses and makes mistakes but it isnt like he's AWFUL or a bottom ten safety or whatever. he meshes well with our defense.


I sooooo want to do a search but am just south of the motivation to do so.
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Harper may not be terrible, but he is definitely replaceable. As in, if a guy like Ramsey fell to us (won't happen, but just a hypothetical), we would be fools to pass on him just because of Harper.
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Anyone know the deal on us receiving a pick for Hardy? I believe it was a 4th if he plays 12 games?
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iknowcool wrote:
Harper may not be terrible, but he is definitely replaceable. As in, if a guy like Ramsey fell to us (won't happen, but just a hypothetical), we would be fools to pass on him just because of Harper.


just as any BPA arguement will go... if a top-10 guy falls to us late then you've gotta pick talent over need.

That said, Safety is not anywhere near our top "needs".

We've done fine, under rivera, with stop-gap safties... always complained about them... but always fielded top-10 defenses. Heck, this year, we've even got a top-rated pass defense.
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Lasus83 wrote:
iknowcool wrote:
Harper may not be terrible, but he is definitely replaceable. As in, if a guy like Ramsey fell to us (won't happen, but just a hypothetical), we would be fools to pass on him just because of Harper.


just as any BPA arguement will go... if a top-10 guy falls to us late then you've gotta pick talent over need.

That said, Safety is not anywhere near our top "needs".

We've done fine, under rivera, with stop-gap safties... always complained about them... but always fielded top-10 defenses. Heck, this year, we've even got a top-rated pass defense.



Just think if we replaced "stop-gap" safeties with legit NFL talent (Eric Berry, Kam Chancellor, Tj Ward, Mike Adams), and upgraded from "fine" to great.


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Lasus83 wrote:
That said, Safety is not anywhere near our top "needs".


Yes it is. How many positions on our team would you put ahead of it? Harper is mediocre at best and Coleman has his moments but is otherwise average.

We have fielded quality defenses with stop-gap safeties but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be trying to improve in that regard. Having a great or even good centerfielder would allow us to do so much more on defense.

Assuming we tag Norman and release Johnson, I would say:
1. DE
2a. OT (left tackle; I think Daryl Williams will be really good on the right side)
2b. S
4a. #2 WR
4b. RB (really depends on Stewart and his future here)
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Besides, even if you don't think Harper is that bad, he is about to be 33 years old. We need to find a long-term replacement. We already saw last year what happens when you play musical chairs (DeCoud, Cason) with the secondary. We got shredded almost every week until Boston, Norman, and Benwikere stepped in.
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