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Like I've said before, I don't know much about the college game. So tell me two things:
1. What was this kid like in college?
2. Why wasn't he drafted? |
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#1 all the ames i saw he was dmn good.
#2 slow 40 time and talk of being moved to a new pos (Safety)
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| The_Jester wrote: | Like I've said before, I don't know much about the college game. So tell me two things:
1. What was this kid like in college?
2. Why wasn't he drafted? |
He was phenomenal, I'm a big Oregon fan so I know what he's capable of. He shut down almost everyone he faced in college. I rarely saw the kid get beat. He was one of the best cover corners I've ever seen coming out of college.
To answer your second part, he probably wasnt drafted because of uncertainty at his position. He's like Lenny Walls.
He ran poorly at the combine and 4.6 at his best and 4.8 at his worst... that is just too slow (4.54 or so) for a corner.
He'll be an excellent SS. He's big and physical. The kid hits hard too.
He was a diamond in the rough.
If LeSeuer and Browner make the squad and keep this up, that's a nasty duo in the future.
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it's just tough for me to get excited about a guy who was an undrafted free agent. i thought he should have gone in the third round, but obviously the scouts who know a little more than me wouldn't even give him a chance in the seventh. i'll put it this way; they didn't think he was one of the best 200 players in college football last year. i do think that he was a great UDFA signing, but we can't really expect big things from him.
sorry if i burst anyone's (Chris) bubble.
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yea, i mean shanahan never picks up any good udfa anyways: rod smith, lenny walls, kelly herndon, dwane carswell, matt lepsis, jashon sykes, roc alexander. just to name the ones who saw significant playing time last year
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| broncs_fan_from_UK wrote: | | yea, i mean shanahan never picks up any good udfa anyways: rod smith, lenny walls, kelly herndon, dwane carswell, matt lepsis, jashon sykes, roc alexander. just to name the ones who saw significant playing time last year |
i know shanahan has a good track record for UDFA's, but you can't expect all of them to work out. the truth is, it doesn't happen very often. i loved this kid going into the draft but when he didn't get picked, i began to wonder if i just loved his size more than anything else. i would be ecstatic if he did work out, but i'm not putting any expectations on him.
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broncos_fan _from _uk
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| broncosfan_101 wrote: | | broncs_fan_from_UK wrote: | | yea, i mean shanahan never picks up any good udfa anyways: rod smith, lenny walls, kelly herndon, dwane carswell, matt lepsis, jashon sykes, roc alexander. just to name the ones who saw significant playing time last year |
i know shanahan has a good track record for UDFA's, but you can't expect all of them to work out. the truth is, it doesn't happen very often. i loved this kid going into the draft but when he didn't get picked, i began to wonder if i just loved his size more than anything else. i would be ecstatic if he did work out, but i'm not putting any expectations on him. |
you loved his size yet it was his size that made him a little too slow to be a corner and forced the move to safety wich scared people off, that and that he only played two years of ball and really only had a breakout year last year. i saw ALOT of boards that had him ranked ahead of paymuh and foxworth as corners. plus i saw a couple of games last year and he has good game speed, and he likes to hit. if he wuld have stayed for his Jr. and Sr. years i have no dobt he would have been a top 15 pick
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Couldn't you kids be over-rating him just a little?
Not that I don't wish him well, but a hundred pro scouts didn't see enough in this kid to even give up a seventh-rounder!!! There must be something we're missing here?!? |
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broncos_fan _from _uk
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like i said he ran a little slow, was projected to a new possition and there was the risk of him being a one year wonder
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| broncs_fan_from_UK wrote: | | like i said he ran a little slow, was projected to a new possition and there was the risk of him being a one year wonder |
this is why jester and myself are being very skeptical about him.
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broncos_fan _from _uk
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and you have every right to all im saying is he has all the potential in the world and nothing to say he wont aclomplish it besides inexperiance
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| The_Jester wrote: | Couldn't you kids be over-rating him just a little?
Not that I don't wish him well, but a hundred pro scouts didn't see enough in this kid to even give up a seventh-rounder!!! There must be something we're missing here?!? |
First of all I'm an adult and secondly, if you followed college football or the draft, I'd probably look into what you had to say here.
It's absurd that he didn't get drafted. When you're trying out as a CB who ran as slow as he did, that's not going to turn heads. Some people questioned his ability to play safety as well.
This was a mistake.
I've watched the kid play. He's phenomenal.
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| Chris wrote: | | It's absurd that he didn't get drafted. |
says who, you? i think i'd go with the 100 scouts that didn't see enough in him to draft him. they get paid for their opinions on college players. i don't mean to sound too harsh on you here, but they are professionals at picking players for their teams...
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broncos_fan _from _uk
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these are the same professionals who had a hard time picking btwn ryan leaf and peyton manning, who let tom brady and TD slip to the sixth, who let rod smith fall out of the draft completely. professionals make mistakes and i personally think this is another one.
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