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 Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 11:21 am Post subject: Vikings Re-Positioning Their Webb? |
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| Quote: | Shortly after the Vikings signed Matt Cassel to back up Christian Ponder at quarterback, coach Leslie Frazier said that the Vikings had no plans to move Joe Webb from quarterback to wide receiver.
A lot can change in a month, however. Sid Hartman of the Minneapolis Star-Tribune reports that Frazier recently readdressed Webb’s status and presented a more open mind when it came to moving Webb away from quarterback.
“[Webb] is such a talented athlete that we want to make sure that we’re doing the right thing by him and our team, as well,” Frazier said. “That’s something we’ll continue to discuss as we go forward.” |
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/14/vikings-possibly-switching-gears-on-joe-webb-switching-positions/
Normally, since it's Sid, I would toss this aside, but it comes direct from an interview.
Do right by him also could indicate a possible trade.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 11:29 am Post subject: |
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If this Read Option is going to stick around for another year, I think trading Webb around now or in the preseason would yield the most compensation.
If we were to wait any longer, that type of offense will likely be dead, and he'll have no value.
I'd totally take a 6th for him.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 11:34 am Post subject: |
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| SteelKing728 wrote: | If this Read Option is going to stick around for another year, I think trading Webb around now or in the preseason would yield the most compensation.
If we were to wait any longer, that type of offense will likely be dead, and he'll have no value.
I'd totally take a 6th for him. |
Webb will never fit in a gimmick offensive system if he cant read a defense and make good throws. MN tried the read option offense in the playoffs, it didnt work once Webb was forced to make passing decisions.
No team will covet Webb, even in a read option offensive system. His passing skills are dreadful and his decision making is even worse.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 11:38 am Post subject: |
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I think if we get anything for him that would be good. Along with some starts he has had alot of training and clipboard time. His showing in the playoffs was too dreadful to ignore. The webcast is over. Sage Rosenfals would have been much better and he has nowhere near the skillset.
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fine with me if he could become the #5 or 6 WR, he'd see 1-2 plays a game more than he does now.
but i imagine that change is doubtful.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 11:50 am Post subject: |
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Thank you, I hope they are serious about giving him a chance WR. With his athletic ability, knowledge of coverages the move makes sense especially if he has the ability to catch the ball. I'm not expecting him to be a elite or starting WR. However, if one day he can be a reliable 3rd/4th wr than that helps us more there than him being a 3rd string qb
If going to run a read option based offense the qb must still have the ability to throw the ball with some accuracy. Webb doesn't pose a threat throwing and defenses will just key in on the run.
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| dc_vikingfan wrote: | | Webb doesn't pose a threat throwing and defenses will just key in on the run. |
if you watch that playoff game with GB from last year, once they figured out his passes were likely to be off target all they did was "rush" three guys, but they didn't even try to get to him. they just maintained a perimeter on the sides and in front of him in case he tried to run.
our offensive line guys (5 of them) looked real frustrated because the defensive linemen weren't even engaging them, just hanging out in front of them.
very sad to watch. because we were committing six guys in our backfield (including the qb) allowing Green Bay to then have eight guys to defend our other five.
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at least if they move him to WR he can't do any more damage at QB...
I don't think he has the hands or body control to be a capable WR though.
Great althete. Bad football player.
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I feel his height is his biggest hindrance. If Webb were more 6-0 or 6-1, he would at least make for a potential lethal return specialist and third downRB /gimmick receiver similar to Percy Harvin. He doesnt have the natural skills to be a WR and he is simply to tall to be used in the short area passing game (think bubble screens/ screens out of the backfield. Webb is a bit of a long strider due to his height.
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| vikingsrule wrote: | | I feel his height is his biggest hindrance. If Webb were more 6-0 or 6-1, he would at least make for a potential lethal return specialist and third downRB /gimmick receiver similar to Percy Harvin. He doesnt have the natural skills to be a WR and he is simply to tall to be used in the short area passing game (think bubble screens/ screens out of the backfield. Webb is a bit of a long strider due to his height. |
Wingback, PR. KR, and ...
ST kick blocker...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9PsUH1fmJk
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| Purplexing wrote: | | vikingsrule wrote: | | I feel his height is his biggest hindrance. If Webb were more 6-0 or 6-1, he would at least make for a potential lethal return specialist and third downRB /gimmick receiver similar to Percy Harvin. He doesnt have the natural skills to be a WR and he is simply to tall to be used in the short area passing game (think bubble screens/ screens out of the backfield. Webb is a bit of a long strider due to his height. |
Wingback, PR. KR, and ...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9PsUH1fmJk
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Right, but how many successful return specialists are there who are 6-4? Not many and his height would leave him more vulnerable to big hits. The guy has the athleticism to do it, but he simply may be too tall and lanky.
For the type of WR Webb could develop into (Brad Smith type), he is just too tall in my opinion. He has the build for a perimeter receiver but doesnt have the hands, route running ability and feel for the perimeter to be likely to make the team in that capacity. He is a gadget receiver, at best.
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| vikingsrule wrote: | | Purplexing wrote: | | vikingsrule wrote: | | I feel his height is his biggest hindrance. If Webb were more 6-0 or 6-1, he would at least make for a potential lethal return specialist and third downRB /gimmick receiver similar to Percy Harvin. He doesnt have the natural skills to be a WR and he is simply to tall to be used in the short area passing game (think bubble screens/ screens out of the backfield. Webb is a bit of a long strider due to his height. |
Wingback, PR. KR, and ...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9PsUH1fmJk
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Right, but how many successful return specialists are there who are 6-4? Not many and his height would leave him more vulnerable to big hits. The guy has the athleticism to do it, but he simply may be too tall and lanky.
For the type of WR Webb could develop into (Brad Smith type), he is just too tall in my opinion. He has the build for a perimeter receiver but doesnt have the hands, route running ability and feel for the perimeter to be likely to make the team in that capacity. He is a gadget receiver, at best. |
Harold Carmichael.
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Carmichael being you're only example, being that he is from the 70s and 80s, probably suggests that he is an anomaly.
Right now, I believe that Patrick Peterson is the tallest return specialist at 6-1. I could be wrong about that. Most return specialists are under 6-0 as they tend to be more agile players.
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| vikingsrule wrote: | Carmichael being you're only example, being that he is from the 70s and 80s, probably suggests that he is an anomaly.
Right now, I believe that Patrick Peterson is the tallest return specialist at 6-1. I could be wrong about that. Most return specialists are under 6-0 as they tend to be more agile players. |
Granted that one WR at 6'8" doesn't disprove your theory, Webb did OK as a returner during a few pre-season games.
If Webb has bad hands downfield, using him as a WB could allow him to receive short passes (easier to catch) and make big YAC, like a taller Harvin. Or, he could shift and take a handoff and run, like a taller Percy.
I'm not pushing for Webb to take a roster spot if someone else can be found who is more deserving. I'm trying to salvage his career as a Viking who could be a big playmaker off the bench.
If not WB/ KR/ Kick blocker, there's always the Green approach of turning him into a CB, like Robert Tate. 
Edited to add: large players like Carmichael are rare in that people that tall are rare. So, the examples may be rare for a reason, which I don't believe is 'that was another era'.
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Move him to safety then?
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