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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 10:28 am    Post subject: Rolni's Mid-Season Mock offseason Reply with quote

Mock offseason after the fist half of the season:

HC-Tony Sparano
OC-Marty Mornhinweg
DC- Rex Ryan


We will have no chance for the really big names (Harbough, Shaw, Bowles), but Sparano can work his connections and with a little luck he puts together a pretty impressive staff. Rex is too fresh off from his HC gig, so he won’t get any HC looks and he chooses Mack and Co. and the freedom he gets from Sparano ont he D side. Mornhinweg is talked into the job by his current HC and the Sparano, a big factor should be Carr, because Marty haven’t had a good QB lately to work with…

Cuts:
I would let go Schaub, A.Smith, Woodley and Jones-Drew right after the season.

Free agency:
With Rex Ryan on board we are moving to 3-4 full time. We attack the FA period with that in mind.

First let’s see our own FA’s:
Stefan Wisniewski will be back on a solid long term deal.
Khalif Barnes is a valuable piece for us, I would bring him back for another year or two.
Pat Sims is a solid DL, so I would bring him back too.
CJ Wilson should be back, because he fits nicely in the 3-4 as a DE and he has experience there too.
Charles Woodson could be back especially when Rex gets on board with his D concept.
Darren McFadden should also be back IMO as a situational back.
Usama Young should be back as depth IMO.
I would bring back all the RFA, ERFA guys from Streater to Autry at least till TC.

From the open market:
Brian Orakpo OLB We can have him because he just had a down year, with injury and he is getting relatively old. RM signs him to a solid (zero guaranteed money after year 1) deal. He is not what he used to be, but he „just” has to be the other guy across Mack here.
David Harris ILB comes in with his old HC and helps this team making the transform to the new D.
Tramon Williams CB RM brings in one of „his” GB players. Williams is getting old, but still playing good football.
Willie Colon OG joins Sparano and Rex.

Draft:
We will end up with the 1\1 pick. We will try to trade down, since we have our QB and need help in multiple places. Tampa Bay and the Jets will be looking for a QB among the top5 teams and there could be offers from others as well. I would use the Jets and the Tampa against each other and sell to the higher bidder. Jets desperately need a starting QB and their GM needs some wins soon to keep his job, so he jump the Bucs and the Jags from the #4spot to get Mariota. We get the 1\4, their 2nd rounder and a second from 2016.

1\1: Jets: Marcus Mariota QB
They need a new guy, since Geno is lost out there.
1\2: Bucs: Jameis Winston QB
Lovie also need a starting QB and thinks he can handle the kid.
1\3: Jags: Leonard Williams DL
Bradley gets a great piece here for the D after got his QB last year.

1\4: Raiders: Amari Cooper WR
We get a true #1 WR for Carr, who also nicely fit into our current WR group.

2\1: Lorenzo Mauldin OLB
We need to add pass rushing specialists. Orakpo may or may not hold up well. Optimally Mauldin can learn a bit behind Orakpo and then take over the duties across Mack.

2\4: Mario Edwards DL
Edwards can be a really good 3-4DE for us IMO and he can also be a nickel UT.

3\1: Jeff Heuerman TE
He is a solid well-rounded TE, just what we need next to Rivera.

4\1: Laken Tomlinson OG
We grab this big kid in the start of the 4th round. He can really push for the RG job early in his carrier IMO.

5\1: Terrance Magee RB
This kid would fit nicely next to the taller DMC and Murray IMO.

6\1: Justin Cox FS
Tall kid with solid skillset, but needs to learn to tackle…Similar to Dowling…Hopefully one of them becomes something for us.

7\1: Taiwan Jones MLB
It would be funny to have two Taiwan Jones on the team right? On the other hand he could offer depth as a MLB.

Depth Chart for TC:
QB: Derek Carr, Matt McGloin
RB: Darren McFadden, Latavius Murray, Terrance Magee
FB: Marcel Reece, Jamize Olawale
TE: Mycal Rivera, Jeff Heuerman, Brian Leonhardt, Nick Kasa
WR: Amari Cooper, Rod Streater, james Jones, Brice Butler, Andre Holmes, Kendrell Thompkins
OT: Donald Penn, Menelik Watson, Austin Howard, Matt McCants
OG: Gabe Jackson, Khalif Barnes, Laken Tomlinson, Willie Colon
OC: Stefan Wisniewski, Kevin Boothe

DE: CJ Wilson, Mario Edwards, Justin Tuck, Stacy McGee, Shelby Harris
NT: Justin Ellis, Pat Sims
OLB: Khalil Mack, Brian Orakpo, Lorenzo Mauldin, Benson Mayowa
ILB: David Harris, Sio Moore, Nick Roach, Miles Burris, Taiwan Jones
CB: DJ Hayden, Tramon Williams, TJ Carrie, Chimdi Chekwa, Keith McGill, Neiko Thorpe, Taiwan Jones
S: Charles Woodson, Tyvon Branch, Usama Young, Jonathan Dowling, Brandian Ross, Justin Cox
K: Sebastian Janikowski
P: Marquette King
LS: Jon Condo

I think Carr would have a stable OL in front of him pass protection wise and hopefully a better one run block wise. He would have a true #1 guy in Cooper, which would be huge for the rest of that WR group. We would be better at TE and even at RB.
On defense we would be much improved with a great DC. This base D below would be a really solid one and we would also have really nice depth for all spots and also a nice nickel package would be in hand…

Wilson-Ellis-Edwards

Orakpo-Harris-Moore-Mack

Hayden-Branch-CWood-Williams

What do you guys think about it?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 10:55 am    Post subject: Re: Rolni's Mid-Season Mock offseason Reply with quote

Rolni wrote:
Mock offseason after the fist half of the season:

HC-Tony Sparano
OC-Marty Mornhinweg
DC- Rex Ryan


We will have no chance for the really big names (Harbough, Shaw, Bowles), but Sparano can work his connections and with a little luck he puts together a pretty impressive staff. Rex is too fresh off from his HC gig, so he won’t get any HC looks and he chooses Mack and Co. and the freedom he gets from Sparano ont he D side. Mornhinweg is talked into the job by his current HC and the Sparano, a big factor should be Carr, because Marty haven’t had a good QB lately to work with…

Cuts:
I would let go Schaub, A.Smith, Woodley and Jones-Drew right after the season.

Free agency:
With Rex Ryan on board we are moving to 3-4 full time. We attack the FA period with that in mind.

First let’s see our own FA’s:
Stefan Wisniewski will be back on a solid long term deal.
Khalif Barnes is a valuable piece for us, I would bring him back for another year or two.
Pat Sims is a solid DL, so I would bring him back too.
CJ Wilson should be back, because he fits nicely in the 3-4 as a DE and he has experience there too.
Charles Woodson could be back especially when Rex gets on board with his D concept.
Darren McFadden should also be back IMO as a situational back.
Usama Young should be back as depth IMO.
I would bring back all the RFA, ERFA guys from Streater to Autry at least till TC.

From the open market:
Brian Orakpo OLB We can have him because he just had a down year, with injury and he is getting relatively old. RM signs him to a solid (zero guaranteed money after year 1) deal. He is not what he used to be, but he „just” has to be the other guy across Mack here.
David Harris ILB comes in with his old HC and helps this team making the transform to the new D.
Tramon Williams CB RM brings in one of „his” GB players. Williams is getting old, but still playing good football.
Willie Colon OG joins Sparano and Rex.

Draft:
We will end up with the 1\1 pick. We will try to trade down, since we have our QB and need help in multiple places. Tampa Bay and the Jets will be looking for a QB among the top5 teams and there could be offers from others as well. I would use the Jets and the Tampa against each other and sell to the higher bidder. Jets desperately need a starting QB and their GM needs some wins soon to keep his job, so he jump the Bucs and the Jags from the #4spot to get Mariota. We get the 1\4, their 2nd rounder and a second from 2016.

1\1: Jets: Marcus Mariota QB
They need a new guy, since Geno is lost out there.
1\2: Bucs: Jameis Winston QB
Lovie also need a starting QB and thinks he can handle the kid.
1\3: Jags: Leonard Williams DL
Bradley gets a great piece here for the D after got his QB last year.

1\4: Raiders: Amari Cooper WR
We get a true #1 WR for Carr, who also nicely fit into our current WR group.

2\1: Lorenzo Mauldin OLB
We need to add pass rushing specialists. Orakpo may or may not hold up well. Optimally Mauldin can learn a bit behind Orakpo and then take over the duties across Mack.

2\4: Mario Edwards DL
Edwards can be a really good 3-4DE for us IMO and he can also be a nickel UT.

3\1: Jeff Heuerman TE
He is a solid well-rounded TE, just what we need next to Rivera.

4\1: Laken Tomlinson OG
We grab this big kid in the start of the 4th round. He can really push for the RG job early in his carrier IMO.

5\1: Terrance Magee RB
This kid would fit nicely next to the taller DMC and Murray IMO.

6\1: Justin Cox FS
Tall kid with solid skillset, but needs to learn to tackle…Similar to Dowling…Hopefully one of them becomes something for us.

7\1: Taiwan Jones MLB
It would be funny to have two Taiwan Jones on the team right? On the other hand he could offer depth as a MLB.

Depth Chart for TC:
QB: Derek Carr, Matt McGloin
RB: Darren McFadden, Latavius Murray, Terrance Magee
FB: Marcel Reece, Jamize Olawale
TE: Mycal Rivera, Jeff Heuerman, Brian Leonhardt, Nick Kasa
WR: Amari Cooper, Rod Streater, james Jones, Brice Butler, Andre Holmes, Kendrell Thompkins
OT: Donald Penn, Menelik Watson, Austin Howard, Matt McCants
OG: Gabe Jackson, Khalif Barnes, Laken Tomlinson, Willie Colon
OC: Stefan Wisniewski, Kevin Boothe

DE: CJ Wilson, Mario Edwards, Justin Tuck, Stacy McGee, Shelby Harris
NT: Justin Ellis, Pat Sims
OLB: Khalil Mack, Brian Orakpo, Lorenzo Mauldin, Benson Mayowa
ILB: David Harris, Sio Moore, Nick Roach, Miles Burris, Taiwan Jones
CB: DJ Hayden, Tramon Williams, TJ Carrie, Chimdi Chekwa, Keith McGill, Neiko Thorpe, Taiwan Jones
S: Charles Woodson, Tyvon Branch, Usama Young, Jonathan Dowling, Brandian Ross, Justin Cox
K: Sebastian Janikowski
P: Marquette King
LS: Jon Condo

I think Carr would have a stable OL in front of him pass protection wise and hopefully a better one run block wise. He would have a true #1 guy in Cooper, which would be huge for the rest of that WR group. We would be better at TE and even at RB.
On defense we would be much improved with a great DC. This base D below would be a really solid one and we would also have really nice depth for all spots and also a nice nickel package would be in hand…

Wilson-Ellis-Edwards

Orakpo-Harris-Moore-Mack

Hayden-Branch-CWood-Williams

What do you guys think about it?


If we were going 3-4 I could see something like that happening and I don't think it's out of the realms of possibility that Ryan would want to work with Mack but I bet he'd want another star defender in the 1st and I think he'd push very hard for that.

I don't disagree with any of the cuts - Harris would be a good pickup if we transitioned. I'd see us again probably offering a couple of front loaded deals for vets similar to what we've done this year and I'd like to add a FA RB instead of DMac like Helu for example (who I think will be a perfect fit for us).

The draft is pretty realistic IMO with decent value though I don't know much about Mauldin. Taiwan Jones is a player I've seen a bit and been impressed with.

The best addition there may well be Ryan at DC (though I prefer a 4-3) Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 11:28 am    Post subject: Re: Rolni's Mid-Season Mock offseason Reply with quote

I wouldn't be very happy with this offseason. I understand you were trying to predict something realistic, but I have issue with some of the conclusions you drew as well.

Firstly, I think it's safe to say Rex Ryan will get plenty of head coaching looks. There's no reason why he wouldn't. By the off chance that he doesn't, it is very unlikely he'd want to be a defensive coordinator in Oakland. Secondly, Marty Mornhigweg is not the type of offensive coordinator the team needs. He runs an excessively pass-happy scheme that doesn't protect the QB from roster shortcomings. I also believe that your logic of Sparano being able to lure established coaches is baseless.

My ideal candidate for Oakland's head coach would be Kyle Shanahan. I believe he is one of the league's best play-callers and would show that the team is invested in developing Derek Carr. Another realistic head coaching candidate would be Jack Del Rio. He's a B-lister from a winning organization with head coaching experience who would jump at the chance at another opportunity.

It terms of signings and cuts, I would like for the team to pursue another veteran receiver this offseason. A guy like Torrey Smith or Michael Crabtree should be within the realm of possibility for the team. Defense needs a lot of work, especially at DB, ILB, and DL. I really want to make a strong push for Suh, who should excel in any scheme.

I think trading the #1 pick will be harder than many suspect. I don't believe Winston and Mariota are considered surefire top 5 picks for different reasons. If neither are able to distinguish themselves during the process, I believe the Raiders will have a hard time moving the pick. Still, I think Amari Cooper would be a wise choice, even at number one. I haven't really looked closely at any other top prospects to contest any differently.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 11:31 am    Post subject: Re: Rolni's Mid-Season Mock offseason Reply with quote

Rich7sena wrote:
A guy like Torrey Smith or Michael Crabtree should be within the realm of possibility for the team.


I'm having us get Torrey Smith in my mock. Need to do more scouting for the draft before I can post it though.


On another note, I have Cooper in the first after a trade down and Mario Edwards in the second too. Great minds think alike. Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very nice. Realistic and I like all the picks. I actually could see Sparano being the HC next year. I like how he's motivated the guys and how the team has been more competitive since he's become HC. All the guys you selected will go around where you said. Orakpo on a 1 year incentivized deal would be awesome. Very very nice.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really like that coaching staff. Wink
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Other than Ryan as DC, very realistic. I see a lot of chatter about Ryan being in Oakland as HC if he's fired.

EDIT: just wanted to add, not the players I would have chosen but still realistic. Of course, some don't like realistic.


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ew..

don't like keeping Sparano.

don't like Brian Orakpo signing, injury prone and overrated as a pass rusher. unless he came in real, real cheap.

it looks like you got rid of Matt Schaub, Lamarr Woodley, MJD, Antonio Smith and let the corners walk. also you might as well release Nick Roach with the David Harris signing. so I'm asking why wouldn't you go after someone in their prime without injury concerns in FA with all that money?

also you didn't really improve the defense at all. you drafted a backup with our second pick. the D is three injury prone players getting hurt from being the worst defense in the NFL. Darren McFadden is the starting RB. Mychal Rivera is the starting TE.

I see that team going 4-12 at best.

Final grade: F (the draft was ok, I hated everything else.)
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RiskyDevil wrote:
ew..

don't like keeping Sparano.

don't like Brian Orakpo signing, injury prone and overrated as a pass rusher. unless he came in real, real cheap.

it looks like you got rid of Matt Schaub, Lamarr Woodley, MJD, Antonio Smith and let the corners walk. also you might as well release Nick Roach with the David Harris signing. so I'm asking why wouldn't you go after someone in their prime without injury concerns in FA with all that money?

also you didn't really improve the defense at all. you drafted a backup with our second pick. the D is three injury prone players getting hurt from being the worst defense in the NFL. Darren McFadden is the starting RB. Mychal Rivera is the starting TE.

I see that team going 4-12 at best.

Final grade: F (the draft was ok, I hated everything else.)


Wow, really? An F?

I don't like Sparano as our coach next year either. But I thought the other moves were pretty good. Love Cooper in the first after trading back. It's not even great compensation, but I would still love to move back 3 spots and get two more second round picks
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Thanks for the feedbacks
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Raiiiiidersssss wrote:
RiskyDevil wrote:
ew..

don't like keeping Sparano.

don't like Brian Orakpo signing, injury prone and overrated as a pass rusher. unless he came in real, real cheap.

it looks like you got rid of Matt Schaub, Lamarr Woodley, MJD, Antonio Smith and let the corners walk. also you might as well release Nick Roach with the David Harris signing. so I'm asking why wouldn't you go after someone in their prime without injury concerns in FA with all that money?

also you didn't really improve the defense at all. you drafted a backup with our second pick. the D is three injury prone players getting hurt from being the worst defense in the NFL. Darren McFadden is the starting RB. Mychal Rivera is the starting TE.

I see that team going 4-12 at best.

Final grade: F (the draft was ok, I hated everything else.)


Wow, really? An F?

I don't like Sparano as our coach next year either. But I thought the other moves were pretty good. Love Cooper in the first after trading back. It's not even great compensation, but I would still love to move back 3 spots and get two more second round picks


I like Cooper too, but it's hard to mess up a top 5 pick with an obvious trade back. I'd give the draft a C, everything else an F--

That team would easily be picking top 3 again next year with Sporano and McKenzie getting canned.
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RiskyDevil wrote:
Raiiiiidersssss wrote:
RiskyDevil wrote:
ew..

don't like keeping Sparano.

don't like Brian Orakpo signing, injury prone and overrated as a pass rusher. unless he came in real, real cheap.

it looks like you got rid of Matt Schaub, Lamarr Woodley, MJD, Antonio Smith and let the corners walk. also you might as well release Nick Roach with the David Harris signing. so I'm asking why wouldn't you go after someone in their prime without injury concerns in FA with all that money?

also you didn't really improve the defense at all. you drafted a backup with our second pick. the D is three injury prone players getting hurt from being the worst defense in the NFL. Darren McFadden is the starting RB. Mychal Rivera is the starting TE.

I see that team going 4-12 at best.

Final grade: F (the draft was ok, I hated everything else.)


Wow, really? An F?

I don't like Sparano as our coach next year either. But I thought the other moves were pretty good. Love Cooper in the first after trading back. It's not even great compensation, but I would still love to move back 3 spots and get two more second round picks


I like Cooper too, but it's hard to mess up a top 5 pick with an obvious trade back. I'd give the draft a C, everything else an F--

That team would easily be picking top 3 again next year with Sporano and McKenzie getting canned.


Rolni ignore this. Coming from people who actually follow draft prospects and such, this is great work. Realistic doesn't mean bad. If you think these are bad FA signings, you clearly understimate the pull of a potential 0-16 team. All the money in the world can't take away that stigma.
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MrOaktown_56 wrote:
RiskyDevil wrote:
Raiiiiidersssss wrote:
RiskyDevil wrote:
ew..

don't like keeping Sparano.

don't like Brian Orakpo signing, injury prone and overrated as a pass rusher. unless he came in real, real cheap.

it looks like you got rid of Matt Schaub, Lamarr Woodley, MJD, Antonio Smith and let the corners walk. also you might as well release Nick Roach with the David Harris signing. so I'm asking why wouldn't you go after someone in their prime without injury concerns in FA with all that money?

also you didn't really improve the defense at all. you drafted a backup with our second pick. the D is three injury prone players getting hurt from being the worst defense in the NFL. Darren McFadden is the starting RB. Mychal Rivera is the starting TE.

I see that team going 4-12 at best.

Final grade: F (the draft was ok, I hated everything else.)


Wow, really? An F?

I don't like Sparano as our coach next year either. But I thought the other moves were pretty good. Love Cooper in the first after trading back. It's not even great compensation, but I would still love to move back 3 spots and get two more second round picks


I like Cooper too, but it's hard to mess up a top 5 pick with an obvious trade back. I'd give the draft a C, everything else an F--

That team would easily be picking top 3 again next year with Sporano and McKenzie getting canned.


Rolni ignore this. Coming from people who actually follow draft prospects and such, this is great work. Realistic doesn't mean bad. If you think these are bad FA signings, you clearly understimate the pull of a potential 0-16 team. All the money in the world can't take away that stigma.


doesn't mean good either.

an easy way to turn this mock from an F to an A would be hiring Jack Del Rio as the HC, outbidding Denver for Terrance Knighton, Chris Harris and Rahim Moore (Del Rio ties), signing Jermaine Gresham (one of the few teams where he could be a starting TE) and Marshawn Lynch (who is supposed to be released and from oakland.)

those signings would allow us to be more flexible in the draft and not have to go d-line back to back in the second round and draft a TE in the third. say we grab Ameer Abdullah instead of Mario Edwards to pro-long Lynch's career and really commit to the run (think of the team across the bay's rushing attack with Gore and Hunter). then in the third we could add a receiver like Rashad Greene.

I know i'm adding a lot of playmakers and no lineman but it's painfully obvious when you watch the offense that they are sorely lacking playmakers.

I think with those simple changes not only would the team be better and the off season have a better immediate impact but the future would be a lot brighter too.

HC - Jack Del Rio

QB - Derek Carr, Matt McGloin
RB - Marshawn Lynch, Ameer Abdullah, Latavius Murray
FB - Marcel Reece
WR - Amari Cooper, Rod Streater, James Jones, Rashad Greene, Andre Holmes, Brice Butler
TE - Jermaine Gresham, Mychal Rivera, Nick Kasa
LT - Donald Penn
LG - Gabe Jackson
C - Stefen Wisniewski / Kevin Boothe
RG - Austin Howard / Laken Tomlinson
RT - Menelik Watson / Khalif Barnes
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LE - Justin Tuck / CJ Wilson
DT - Justin Ellis / Pat Sims
DT - Terrance Knighton / Stacy McGee
RE - Lorenzo Mauldin / Benson Mayowa
LOLB - Khalil Mack / Miles Burris
MLB - Nick Roach / Taiwan Jones
ROLB - Sio Moore / Kaluka Maiava
CB - D.J. Hayden / Chris Harris / Travis Carrie / Chimdi Chekwa / Keith McGill
FS - Rahim Moore / Charles Woodson / Justin Cox
SS - Tyvon Branch / Jonathan Dowling



Lynch and Abdullah could potentially turn the worst rushing attack into one of the best. Cooper, Greene, Gresham and the return of Streater will give Carr someone to actually throw the ball. This offense might actually move the ball into the red zone before garbage time.

Then on defense Knighton will help improve the run defense, the guy is immovable in the run game. Mauldin will actually start instead of sitting on the bench. Chris Harris will come in and be the number 2 cb/nb and do it for more than one season like Tramon Williams would have. I can't say the Rahim Moore would be an upgrade over Woodson but he is like 13 years younger. the main improvement here on D is Jack Del Rio > Tarver.
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RiskyDevil wrote:
MrOaktown_56 wrote:
RiskyDevil wrote:
Raiiiiidersssss wrote:
RiskyDevil wrote:
ew..

don't like keeping Sparano.

don't like Brian Orakpo signing, injury prone and overrated as a pass rusher. unless he came in real, real cheap.

it looks like you got rid of Matt Schaub, Lamarr Woodley, MJD, Antonio Smith and let the corners walk. also you might as well release Nick Roach with the David Harris signing. so I'm asking why wouldn't you go after someone in their prime without injury concerns in FA with all that money?

also you didn't really improve the defense at all. you drafted a backup with our second pick. the D is three injury prone players getting hurt from being the worst defense in the NFL. Darren McFadden is the starting RB. Mychal Rivera is the starting TE.

I see that team going 4-12 at best.

Final grade: F (the draft was ok, I hated everything else.)


Wow, really? An F?

I don't like Sparano as our coach next year either. But I thought the other moves were pretty good. Love Cooper in the first after trading back. It's not even great compensation, but I would still love to move back 3 spots and get two more second round picks


I like Cooper too, but it's hard to mess up a top 5 pick with an obvious trade back. I'd give the draft a C, everything else an F--

That team would easily be picking top 3 again next year with Sporano and McKenzie getting canned.


Rolni ignore this. Coming from people who actually follow draft prospects and such, this is great work. Realistic doesn't mean bad. If you think these are bad FA signings, you clearly understimate the pull of a potential 0-16 team. All the money in the world can't take away that stigma.


doesn't mean good either.

an easy way to turn this mock from an F to an A would be hiring Jack Del Rio as the HC, outbidding Denver for Terrance Knighton, Chris Harris and Rahim Moore (Del Rio ties), signing Jermaine Gresham (one of the few teams where he could be a starting TE) and Marshawn Lynch (who is supposed to be released and from oakland.)

those signings would allow us to be more flexible in the draft and not have to go d-line back to back in the second round and draft a TE in the third. say we grab Ameer Abdullah instead of Mario Edwards to pro-long Lynch's career and really commit to the run (think of the team across the bay's rushing attack with Gore and Hunter). then in the third we could add a receiver like Rashad Greene.

I know i'm adding a lot of playmakers and no lineman but it's painfully obvious when you watch the offense that they are sorely lacking playmakers.

I think with those simple changes not only would the team be better and the off season have a better immediate impact but the future would be a lot brighter too.

HC - Jack Del Rio

QB - Derek Carr, Matt McGloin
RB - Marshawn Lynch, Ameer Abdullah, Latavius Murray
FB - Marcel Reece
WR - Amari Cooper, Rod Streater, James Jones, Rashad Greene, Andre Holmes, Brice Butler
TE - Jermaine Gresham, Mychal Rivera, Nick Kasa
LT - Donald Penn
LG - Gabe Jackson
C - Stefen Wisniewski / Kevin Boothe
RG - Austin Howard / Laken Tomlinson
RT - Menelik Watson / Khalif Barnes
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LE - Justin Tuck / CJ Wilson
DT - Justin Ellis / Pat Sims
DT - Terrance Knighton / Stacy McGee
RE - Lorenzo Mauldin / Benson Mayowa
LOLB - Khalil Mack / Miles Burris
MLB - Nick Roach / Taiwan Jones
ROLB - Sio Moore / Kaluka Maiava
CB - D.J. Hayden / Chris Harris / Travis Carrie / Chimdi Chekwa / Keith McGill
FS - Rahim Moore / Charles Woodson / Justin Cox
SS - Tyvon Branch / Jonathan Dowling



Lynch and Abdullah could potentially turn the worst rushing attack into one of the best. Cooper, Greene, Gresham and the return of Streater will give Carr someone to actually throw the ball. This offense might actually move the ball into the red zone before garbage time.

Then on defense Knighton will help improve the run defense, the guy is immovable in the run game. Mauldin will actually start instead of sitting on the bench. Chris Harris will come in and be the number 2 cb/nb and do it for more than one season like Tramon Williams would have. I can't say the Rahim Moore would be an upgrade over Woodson but he is like 13 years younger. the main improvement here on D is Jack Del Rio > Tarver.


Anything with Howard still starting at RG is a huge fail.
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In my opinion they are a joke. In the last ten years there drafts sucked.
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