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PostPosted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Wait, he's only been arrested, not convicted. I thought we applauded the Vikings for not cutting Cook, and now we are saying Hernandez has no business in the NFL?

he's a suspect in a MURDER case, PCP. and yes, legally innocent at this time, but with some very strong evidence against him. so much so that a judge is holding him incarcerated without bail.

equating his situation with Cook's, just because both were accused of a crime, is not a fair comparison.


disagree, strongly. Not surprised people don't see things the same way as me.......
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Wait, he's only been arrested, not convicted. I thought we applauded the Vikings for not cutting Cook, and now we are saying Hernandez has no business in the NFL?


Some wanted Cook gone, so I wouldnt lump everyone into one group. Further, Cook's case was full of holes and he argued self defense. The jury agreed enough to throw the case out. The evidence keeps piling up for Hernandez, in addition to this being a first degree murder case. These situations arent comparable in the least.

If the Pats felt Hernandez wasnt involved to the extent that is coming out, im sure he would still be on the roster.
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Wait, he's only been arrested, not convicted. I thought we applauded the Vikings for not cutting Cook, and now we are saying Hernandez has no business in the NFL?

he's a suspect in a MURDER case, PCP. and yes, legally innocent at this time, but with some very strong evidence against him. so much so that a judge is holding him incarcerated without bail.

equating his situation with Cook's, just because both were accused of a crime, is not a fair comparison.

disagree, strongly.

how so?

do you feel all criminal accusations carry the same weight, therefor have the same consequences?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the US Justice system, accusations are subverted to the assumption of innocence. So, legally, the accusation should not carry any weight.

OTOH, convictions of different crimes carry different weight.

Finally, public opinion about accusations of various crimes carry different weight. But the employer is probably held to the legal standard of assumption of innocence. That is what I project will argued by the Players Association. But the end result will depend on the CBA clauses regarding this type of issue.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ray Lewis was held without bail.....does he have no place in football?
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Wait, he's only been arrested, not convicted. I thought we applauded the Vikings for not cutting Cook, and now we are saying Hernandez has no business in the NFL?


Cutting Cook would have been a rash move. Domestic dispute cases, in any system of law, are some of the most muddied cases you'll find. Often, as in the case of Cook, you're arguing 'he said/she said', with two people who both have injuries. Several posters on this forum indicated at the beginning that the case was flimsy at best, the acquittal proved that right in the end.

I think that, in a nutshell, that is what NFL teams are trying to pre-determine. If the Vikings really thought there was a good case against Cook, or that he was guilty, I'm sure he would have been cut. In the case of Hernandez, the Patriots obviously think he's going down in this trial, and they want distance themselves from that beforehand.

The Hernandez case, apart from being about 100x worse than domestic assault, is a hell of a lot stronger. We a major investigation, video evidence, text messages, multiple suspects (who can turn on each other), etc. In the public eye, we have the 'cleaners', the destroyed phone, etc.

In the end, the acquittal of Cook proved the Vikings right. I'd bet good money that the Patriots will eventually be proven right in this matter.
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Ray Lewis was held without bail.....does he have no place in football?


The problem with that comparison is there was no player conduct clause at the time that his incident occurred.

Let's keep in mind that Rae Carruth was not immediately released by the Panthers upon arrest, as was done with Hernandez, and the evidence on him was just as lengthy. The Panthers only released Carruth when he jumped bail.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ray Lewis was held without bail.....does he have no place in football?


The problem with that comparison is there was no player conduct clause at the time that his incident occurred.

Let's keep in mind that Rae Carruth was not immediately released by the Panthers upon arrest, as was done with Hernandez, and the evidence on him was just as lengthy. The Panthers only released Carruth when he jumped bail.


Wasn't Hernandez also accused of shooting another guy in the face?
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and is now being investigated for possible involvement in a double murder in Boston in 2012.
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He's a bad dude.....there is a reason he was off some / many draft boards.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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disaacs wrote:
PrplChilPill wrote:
Ray Lewis was held without bail.....does he have no place in football?


The problem with that comparison is there was no player conduct clause at the time that his incident occurred.

Let's keep in mind that Rae Carruth was not immediately released by the Panthers upon arrest, as was done with Hernandez, and the evidence on him was just as lengthy. The Panthers only released Carruth when he jumped bail.


Wasn't Hernandez also accused of shooting another guy in the face?


allegedly shot a friend in the shoulder outside a NJ strip club I believe.
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disaacs wrote:
PrplChilPill wrote:
Ray Lewis was held without bail.....does he have no place in football?


The problem with that comparison is there was no player conduct clause at the time that his incident occurred.

Let's keep in mind that Rae Carruth was not immediately released by the Panthers upon arrest, as was done with Hernandez, and the evidence on him was just as lengthy. The Panthers only released Carruth when he jumped bail.


Also, almost all of the witnesses in the Ray Lewis incident testified that Lewis tried to get his friends to back off. Only one witness claimed to have seen Lewis throw a punch, and that was a convicted criminal who later recanted on that claim (i.e. he could easily have been coerced one way or the other).

There was never any direct evidence that Lewis was guilty of anything more than lying to the police and (possibly) destroying evidence. It's highly likely that the NFL and the Ravens knew all along that while Lewis was in serious trouble, the murder charge was never going to stick.

(Not to excuse Lewis or anything. I think he should have done some jail time, and his friend with the knife stabbed two guys in the heart in the space of a few seconds, indicating serious intent to kill).
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lewis was arrested before teh Ravens knew what was coming, it all happened much faster. billick was on ESPN radio talking about the differences between the two cases this am......

to him, it was all about knowing the individual.....like they felt Lewis was not a bad person overall, and he's inferring from the NE action that they might feel differently about Hernandez (plus NE had time to get info, that Baltimore did not have).

Can't wait until we talk about football again.....
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Can't wait until we talk about football again.....


It's like someone said "Sometimes it's better to have a dull offseason."
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i'm working on one of my Viking Interviews...
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