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spush


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 5:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cutwolf wrote:
treat88 wrote:
BlacknGold4life wrote:
Yeah I do see I was wandering if you guys did

Im just trying to make him see it and then maybe he can address his problems of chorse the first step is admitting you have a problem so lets begin there

sorry I dont mean to turn this into a Dr. Phil episode as Mr. spush has referred to........... or beat a dead horse but I joined this forum hoping to talk steelers football and Mr. Cutwolf has made it very difficult to do with all his condescension, preteniousness, presumptuousness that he puts in to every reply to someone Ive been biting my tongue but I think its time to say something


My post was meant to indicate that this discussion and battle have been fought in multiple threads by multiple people. Don't waste the words.

Take it with a grain of salt and understand it's not personal. Humorous in a way actually.

Behind it, and despite the tone, there is a reasonable football opinion there. Gotta dig, but reasonable still. Smile



Soon people will notice some trends:

I'm cordial with spush. I'm cordial with SF. I'm usually cordial with 43mafia and you, treat.

There is a reason.

I'll tell you the reason so you guys don't have to think hard:

They talk football. I don't agree with all of their opinions, but they attempt to back up their opinions with stats, highlight clips, scouting reports, personal observations (beyond the "OMG but he sucks!").

But if you are going to post something about a player you clearly have never seen play (just an example), I am going to be short and to the point with you.

If you are going to talk football, then for Christ's sake, talk football.

Opinions are one thing, but opinions must have reasons behind them. If you can't articulate your reasons and show that they have any truth or validity to them, your opinion is not worth treating with respect.


Its going to sound like it, but Im not taking sides. Like him or not, Cutwolf includes football in every post. Certain people are starting to flame him wasting space. VanSlyke, your knowledgeable, but sometimes become childish by chasing him around bashing. For Gods sake people, act like adults and if you dont like something someone says either prove them wrong or ignore, not hard.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 5:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jayme96 wrote:
Cutwolf wrote:
Jayme96 wrote:
Cutwolf wrote:
Jayme, what is your big board for this draft?

1. Poz
2. Carriker
3. Leonard
4. Zach Miller
5. Greg Olsen
6. Brady Quinn
7. Jeff Smarshizzle
8. Blalock
9. Weddle

?


Why do you ask that? lol Do you mean my board as for ranking players period, or for the Steelers? Big difference there. Also realistic to be on the Steelers (meaning taking out top 10 guys or what)?



Just curious. For the Steelers.


Oh, off the top of my head, It'd go something like this:

1st round board:
Posluszny----stud LB, fits either scheme
Staley----stud OT that can actually pass block
Willis----stud LB, but not as good as Poz
Spencer----could be stud in Porter's old spot
Carriker----Smith is 31, and Keisel isn't that great...he'd be a beast I think
Anderson----same as Carriker, unless he could be a Merriman-type OLB
Meachem----big WR, eventual replacement of Ward in the near future
Ginn Jr----return specialist and speedster...we lost games last year on ST

2nd-3rd round:
Leonard----gives all kinds of versatility, taking Verron's and Najeh's places
Mason Crosby----huge lift to STs, both in KO's and FG range...screw Reed
Weddle----versatile enough to play FS and CB...ideal Nickel or FS for us
Wendling----Troy replacement should he leave in FA, or concussions...this dude is a physical freak
McCauley----I like big fast CBs...kind of another Ike
Jason Hill----he is 1st round talent, but slips, might be a 3rd
Spencer----if he doesn't go Rd1
David Harris----poor man's poz/willis
Robison----one of the best athletes in draft, I'd love him at our OLB
Bazuin----productive but from smaller school, I'd like to see him at OLB if he could make the transition
Yanda----my choice of guards in the draft...I'm sick of those big guys that can't pull or pass block
Moses----he had a high draft rating, but fell...not a fan, but good value here
Woodley----same as Moses
Zach Miller (3rd only)----in case we go 2-TE sets, we need another good TE....poor man's Heath Miller
Sabby Piscitelli----looked good at the combine...we need more good DBs, for the nickel if nothing else. McFadden, Ike and Troy are all pretty good, but the rest have ? IMO

(Leonard isn't on my big board for the 1st, unless we were like NE and had 24 & 28, but he sure as hell is at the top in Rd2. Greg Olsen isn't on it at all, cause he's from Miami, and we have NO use for a TE in Rds 1 or 2....wouldn't mind Zach Miller if he fell though, in case we copy NE and go to 2-TE sets sometimes)

Weddle is right up there with Leonard for the 2nd round, but I don't think it's a 1st round need. I like the safety/cb tweeners, always have. I was really high on Cromartie and Jimmy Williams last year...I like those fast guys that can cover and have size....Weddle doesn't have enough speed to be 1st rounder in my book, but I love his skill-set.

Something like that, I just put down people I could think of right off hand here.


Worst grouping of players I've ever seen. Have you ever actually watched a football game? I really cant even respond to this post.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

spush wrote:
Cutwolf wrote:
treat88 wrote:
BlacknGold4life wrote:
Yeah I do see I was wandering if you guys did

Im just trying to make him see it and then maybe he can address his problems of chorse the first step is admitting you have a problem so lets begin there

sorry I dont mean to turn this into a Dr. Phil episode as Mr. spush has referred to........... or beat a dead horse but I joined this forum hoping to talk steelers football and Mr. Cutwolf has made it very difficult to do with all his condescension, preteniousness, presumptuousness that he puts in to every reply to someone Ive been biting my tongue but I think its time to say something


My post was meant to indicate that this discussion and battle have been fought in multiple threads by multiple people. Don't waste the words.

Take it with a grain of salt and understand it's not personal. Humorous in a way actually.

Behind it, and despite the tone, there is a reasonable football opinion there. Gotta dig, but reasonable still. Smile



Soon people will notice some trends:

I'm cordial with spush. I'm cordial with SF. I'm usually cordial with 43mafia and you, treat.

There is a reason.

I'll tell you the reason so you guys don't have to think hard:

They talk football. I don't agree with all of their opinions, but they attempt to back up their opinions with stats, highlight clips, scouting reports, personal observations (beyond the "OMG but he sucks!").

But if you are going to post something about a player you clearly have never seen play (just an example), I am going to be short and to the point with you.

If you are going to talk football, then for Christ's sake, talk football.

Opinions are one thing, but opinions must have reasons behind them. If you can't articulate your reasons and show that they have any truth or validity to them, your opinion is not worth treating with respect.


Its going to sound like it, but Im not taking sides. Like him or not, Cutwolf includes football in every post. Certain people are starting to flame him wasting space. VanSlyke, your knowledgeable, but sometimes become childish by chasing him around bashing. For Gods sake people, act like adults and if you dont like something someone says either prove them wrong or ignore, not hard.


everything i've ever said or done has been purely reactionary. there would be no need for it if he wasnt inflammatory to begin with. I've had the discussion with him, and apparently i'll have to have it with you...

The problem with telling someone they're wrong, or that they need to graduate, or asking them if they just learned something, or copying an entire post and then saying that you cant respond to it, is that this is imflammation at its most basic.

sometimes spush, sometimes.... you just need to realize not everyone is as capable as you at being completely and utterly removed from emotion. people work hard on these posts, and it's not our job to tell them that they are lesser than yourself.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spush wrote:


Worst grouping of players I've ever seen. Have you ever actually watched a football game? I really cant even respond to this post.


How is that a bad grouping of players...Have you ever watched football? Half those players are at the top of their positions

Can you explain how they are bad players?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eric Green was the most devastating blocker who ever played in the NFL at Te

John Mackey...Nope

Bavaro...Nope

Heath Miller looked great in 05

Terrible in 06.

He could be the next Troy Edwards..Or the Next Jerome Bettis

In other words..a 1 year wonder...Or a player who had 1 down year

Miller is slow..I can live with that (4.85 guy at best) Miller never ran at the combine or UVA pro day

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=11638

Miller was awful run blocking in 06...That I cant live with
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok Mr. Spush Sir there you go insulting someone with the old "have you ever watched a football game?.....son...cuz I dont think you have" ya know maybe if you and Mr. Cutwolf were funny and original in your comebacks I would let it slide or ignore it but YOUR NOT

I think that grouping of players is a pretty damn good one and if the Steelers drafted any of them they would be solid picks more than solid so why do you think they suck
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BlacknGold4life wrote:
Ok Mr. Spush Sir there you go insulting someone with the old "have you ever watched a football game?.....son...cuz I dont think you have" ya know maybe if you and Mr. Cutwolf were funny and original in your comebacks I would let it slide or ignore it but YOUR NOT

I think that grouping of players is a pretty damn good one and if the Steelers drafted any of them they would be solid picks more than solid so why do you think they suck


Lets at least hear his reasoning...
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

StillersFury wrote:
Eric Green was the most devastating blocker who ever played in the NFL at Te

John Mackey...Nope

Bavaro...Nope

Heath Miller looked great in 05

Terrible in 06.

He could be the next Troy Edwards..Or the Next Jerome Bettis

In other words..a 1 year wonder...Or a player who had 1 down year

Miller is slow..I can live with that (4.85 guy at best) Miller never ran at the combine or UVA pro day

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=11638

Miller was awful run blocking in 06...That I cant live with


Miller has enough speed to play TE. I personally don't buy into that 4.4 speed at the TE position crap (Vernon Davis, Olsen, etc). I want a big guy, who can get open to catch, and still block. Heath is that IMO. He didn't look too slow in the opener last season (I think that's what game it was anyway) where he ripped off that really long play for a TD (where some say he was actually pushed out of bounds at the 5). I'm not saying he's a burner, but he's plenty fast to play TE for me.

I think the reason why Heath didn't do as good in '06 as '05, was simply because we didn't use him right. We kept him in to block more cause the O Line couldn't, and Ben didn't look for him enough either.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Miller was awful run blocking in 06...That I cant live with


So the main point of the post you ignore after quoting me?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Miller was awful run blocking in 06...That I cant live with


So the main point of the post you ignore after quoting me?


Only Tony G. is a better block and receiving TE than Miller.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BlacknGold4life wrote:
Ok Mr. Spush Sir there you go insulting someone with the old "have you ever watched a football game?.....son...cuz I dont think you have" ya know maybe if you and Mr. Cutwolf were funny and original in your comebacks I would let it slide or ignore it but YOUR NOT

I think that grouping of players is a pretty damn good one and if the Steelers drafted any of them they would be solid picks more than solid so why do you think they suck


sticks and stones my good man. to each their own. If you cant handle criticism on an internet message board, well then, take a pill

Quote:
1st round board:
Posluszny----stud LB, fits either scheme
Staley----stud OT that can actually pass block
Willis----stud LB, but not as good as Poz
Spencer----could be stud in Porter's old spot
Carriker----Smith is 31, and Keisel isn't that great...he'd be a beast I think
Anderson----same as Carriker, unless he could be a Merriman-type OLB
Meachem----big WR, eventual replacement of Ward in the near future
Ginn Jr----return specialist and speedster...we lost games last year on ST


Pos - not a gamebreaking talent in NFL. In no way fits 34 defense or any look except will.
Staley - former TE, good feet. getting praise from weak OT class
Willis - I could live with
Spencer - one dimensional, good pass rusher, cant play in space, therefore not a first round fit
Anderson - like it
Meacham - could live with it, like Bowe better
Ginn - Frail, reminds me of Todd Pinckney. poor route runner

Quote:
2nd-3rd round:
Leonard----gives all kinds of versatility, taking Verron's and Najeh's places
Mason Crosby----huge lift to STs, both in KO's and FG range...screw Reed
Weddle----versatile enough to play FS and CB...ideal Nickel or FS for us
Wendling----Troy replacement should he leave in FA, or concussions...this dude is a physical freak
McCauley----I like big fast CBs...kind of another Ike
Jason Hill----he is 1st round talent, but slips, might be a 3rd
Spencer----if he doesn't go Rd1
David Harris----poor man's poz/willis
Robison----one of the best athletes in draft, I'd love him at our OLB
Bazuin----productive but from smaller school, I'd like to see him at OLB if he could make the transition
Yanda----my choice of guards in the draft...I'm sick of those big guys that can't pull or pass block
Moses----he had a high draft rating, but fell...not a fan, but good value here
Woodley----same as Moses
Zach Miller (3rd only)----in case we go 2-TE sets, we need another good TE....poor man's Heath Miller
Sabby Piscitelli----looked good at the combine...we need more good DBs, for the nickel if nothing else


Leonard - do I need to explain it again
Crosby - he's a freakin kicker
Weddle - why dont you justify a 2nd round safety for us then?
Wendling - see above
McCauley - good pick
Hill - WR class too deep to be a 2nd rounder
Spencer - good pick at 46
Harris - great pick at 46
Robeson - workout warrior, 4th/5th round talent
Yanda - is growing on me, 2nd is a reach.
Moses - another Spencer, maybe better suited for OLB
Woodley - great pick at 46 OLB
Miller - too high for TE other needs
Piscitelli - see Weddle Wendling

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the last time I dignify a response to you
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So was Adam Vinatieri Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BigBen7 wrote:
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Crosby - he's a freakin kicker


So was Adam Vinatieri Wink


What round was Vinatieri drafted in?

A. UDFA
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sir Spush I've tried all the pills and they dont work that s why i cant take it o man now your not goin to respond to me anymor o come on why not??? I was just starting to have fun ok im getting the silent treatment then I guess
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 12:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

StillersFury wrote:
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Miller was awful run blocking in 06...That I cant live with


So the main point of the post you ignore after quoting me?


Oh, so I'm supposed to be able to pick out your "main point" out of your "list"? You have 9 lines, and none of them really stand out. W/E.

BTW, Miller was good at RBLK in '05, so we know the capability is there. No one on the team aside from Fast Willie played worth a damn last season. The only thing "debatable" from your post was that he was slow. I disagreed. Learn to live with it.
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