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Cutwolf


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

treat88 wrote:
BlacknGold4life wrote:
Yeah I do see I was wandering if you guys did

Im just trying to make him see it and then maybe he can address his problems of chorse the first step is admitting you have a problem so lets begin there

sorry I dont mean to turn this into a Dr. Phil episode as Mr. spush has referred to........... or beat a dead horse but I joined this forum hoping to talk steelers football and Mr. Cutwolf has made it very difficult to do with all his condescension, preteniousness, presumptuousness that he puts in to every reply to someone Ive been biting my tongue but I think its time to say something


My post was meant to indicate that this discussion and battle have been fought in multiple threads by multiple people. Don't waste the words.

Take it with a grain of salt and understand it's not personal. Humorous in a way actually.

Behind it, and despite the tone, there is a reasonable football opinion there. Gotta dig, but reasonable still. Smile



Soon people will notice some trends:

I'm cordial with spush. I'm cordial with SF. I'm usually cordial with 43mafia and you, treat.

There is a reason.

I'll tell you the reason so you guys don't have to think hard:

They talk football. I don't agree with all of their opinions, but they attempt to back up their opinions with stats, highlight clips, scouting reports, personal observations (beyond the "OMG but he sucks!").

But if you are going to post something about a player you clearly have never seen play (just an example), I am going to be short and to the point with you.

If you are going to talk football, then for Christ's sake, talk football.

Opinions are one thing, but opinions must have reasons behind them. If you can't articulate your reasons and show that they have any truth or validity to them, your opinion is not worth treating with respect.
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Jayme96


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cutwolf wrote:
Jayme96 wrote:
Cutwolf wrote:
Jayme, what is your big board for this draft?

1. Poz
2. Carriker
3. Leonard
4. Zach Miller
5. Greg Olsen
6. Brady Quinn
7. Jeff Smarshizzle
8. Blalock
9. Weddle

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Why do you ask that? lol Do you mean my board as for ranking players period, or for the Steelers? Big difference there. Also realistic to be on the Steelers (meaning taking out top 10 guys or what)?



Just curious. For the Steelers.


Oh, off the top of my head, It'd go something like this:

1st round board:
Posluszny----stud LB, fits either scheme
Staley----stud OT that can actually pass block
Willis----stud LB, but not as good as Poz
Spencer----could be stud in Porter's old spot
Carriker----Smith is 31, and Keisel isn't that great...he'd be a beast I think
Anderson----same as Carriker, unless he could be a Merriman-type OLB
Meachem----big WR, eventual replacement of Ward in the near future
Ginn Jr----return specialist and speedster...we lost games last year on ST

2nd-3rd round:
Leonard----gives all kinds of versatility, taking Verron's and Najeh's places
Mason Crosby----huge lift to STs, both in KO's and FG range...screw Reed
Weddle----versatile enough to play FS and CB...ideal Nickel or FS for us
Wendling----Troy replacement should he leave in FA, or concussions...this dude is a physical freak
McCauley----I like big fast CBs...kind of another Ike
Jason Hill----he is 1st round talent, but slips, might be a 3rd
Spencer----if he doesn't go Rd1
David Harris----poor man's poz/willis
Robison----one of the best athletes in draft, I'd love him at our OLB
Bazuin----productive but from smaller school, I'd like to see him at OLB if he could make the transition
Yanda----my choice of guards in the draft...I'm sick of those big guys that can't pull or pass block
Moses----he had a high draft rating, but fell...not a fan, but good value here
Woodley----same as Moses
Zach Miller (3rd only)----in case we go 2-TE sets, we need another good TE....poor man's Heath Miller
Sabby Piscitelli----looked good at the combine...we need more good DBs, for the nickel if nothing else. McFadden, Ike and Troy are all pretty good, but the rest have ? IMO

(Leonard isn't on my big board for the 1st, unless we were like NE and had 24 & 28, but he sure as hell is at the top in Rd2. Greg Olsen isn't on it at all, cause he's from Miami, and we have NO use for a TE in Rds 1 or 2....wouldn't mind Zach Miller if he fell though, in case we copy NE and go to 2-TE sets sometimes)

Weddle is right up there with Leonard for the 2nd round, but I don't think it's a 1st round need. I like the safety/cb tweeners, always have. I was really high on Cromartie and Jimmy Williams last year...I like those fast guys that can cover and have size....Weddle doesn't have enough speed to be 1st rounder in my book, but I love his skill-set.

Something like that, I just put down people I could think of right off hand here.
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BlacknGold4life


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 1:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cutwolf Sir you are quite the character just to let you know there is help out there If you seek it a good psychiatrist could help you talk it out, hug it out, cry it out the reasons why you feel the need to go on Steeler message boards and put people down to make yourself feel better anyways I HATE to say this but I actually agree with you on Willie Reid I think he's gonna be a good one

but your evaluation of RB Tony Hunt is dead wrong he could be a bust the he's got the PennState Rbs curse to deal with maybe LJ broke it but as far as his STATS go you need to go back and check them cuz I know your a big STAT guy oh hey here they are Sir.......

In 44 games at Penn State, Hunt started 32 times. He ranks fifth in school history with 3,162 yards on 623 carries (5.1 avg.) and 25 touchdowns. He hauled in 87 passes for 792 yards (9.1 avg.) and three scores. He posted four solo tackles and returned eight kickoffs for 112 yards (14.0 avg.). He also scored 168 points and totaled 4,066 all-purpose yards, the fourth-best total in Penn State annals.

based on his STATS I dont see how you can justify putting him down as you have
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SMashMouthMike


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 1:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with you on the psu rb. Very productive college back who compares to Eddie George and Curt Warner. He's slow but doesn't run nearly as upright as Eddie or Curt And his Center of gravity, mostly thighs, cannot be armtackled well at all. I somewhat agree with Cutwolf about us really needing a more explosive back and would like Jackie Battle, maybe even Nate I. from Hawaii. But I Know, PSU would have sucked without Mr Hunt.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 2:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SMashMouthMike wrote:
I agree with you on the psu rb. Very productive college back who compares to Eddie George and Curt Warner. He's slow but doesn't run nearly as upright as Eddie or Curt And his Center of gravity, mostly thighs, cannot be armtackled well at all. I somewhat agree with Cutwolf about us really needing a more explosive back and would like Jackie Battle, maybe even Nate I. from Hawaii. But I Know, PSU would have sucked without Mr Hunt.


Curt Warner?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 2:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Curt Warner, Rb for the Seahawks back in the mid/late 80s.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 2:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jayme96 wrote:
SMashMouthMike wrote:
I agree with you on the psu rb. Very productive college back who compares to Eddie George and Curt Warner. He's slow but doesn't run nearly as upright as Eddie or Curt And his Center of gravity, mostly thighs, cannot be armtackled well at all. I somewhat agree with Cutwolf about us really needing a more explosive back and would like Jackie Battle, maybe even Nate I. from Hawaii. But I Know, PSU would have sucked without Mr Hunt.


Curt Warner?


played for penn state, seattle, and the rams if this is who he is talking about...I dont kno why you would compare him to Eddie George though, only played good for about 5 seasons according to stats

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/WarnCu00.htm
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 2:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So did curt Warner. They took beatings, but were good for about 5 years and Hunt can be alright for about that much time.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 2:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SMashMouthMike wrote:
Curt Warner, Rb for the Seahawks back in the mid/late 80s.


Ah, I don't remember/know him. I was pretty young back then, and never cared for the Seahawks or Rams anyway.

To be honest, I almost made a wise-crack about it being spelled Kurt, and that he was a QB with the Rams lol.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 2:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jayme96 wrote:
SMashMouthMike wrote:
Curt Warner, Rb for the Seahawks back in the mid/late 80s.


Ah, I don't remember/know him. I was pretty young back then, and never cared for the Seahawks or Rams anyway.

To be honest, I almost made a wise-crack about it being spelled Kurt, and that he was a QB with the Rams lol.


That would have been embarrasing, and boy who you of got heckled with some of the people in the steelers forum now
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 2:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Honest mistakes are honest mistakes.

I don't ridicule people for that.

I ridicule people for lack of effort.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 2:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gatek99 wrote:
Jayme96 wrote:
SMashMouthMike wrote:
Curt Warner, Rb for the Seahawks back in the mid/late 80s.


Ah, I don't remember/know him. I was pretty young back then, and never cared for the Seahawks or Rams anyway.

To be honest, I almost made a wise-crack about it being spelled Kurt, and that he was a QB with the Rams lol.


That would have been embarrasing, and boy who you of got heckled with some of the people in the steelers forum now


Well, in my defense, in the mid 80s, I'd have been like 7 years old or so. About the only time I watched football back then was during family get-togethers (birthdays, thanksgiving, w/e) and then it was usually the Vikings (local team) or Lions/Cowboys (Thanksgiving). Seahawks/Rams are never on TV here....never have been thank god.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 2:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cutwolf wrote:
Honest mistakes are honest mistakes.

I don't ridicule people for that.

I ridicule people for lack of effort.


I wasnt talking about you I was talking about many people in general
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 2:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cutwolf wrote:
Honest mistakes are honest mistakes.

I don't ridicule people for that.

I ridicule people for lack of effort.


No comments on my big board? I might've forgotten a few people, but that's the basic look of it.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 3:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The scary thing about Hunt is that he kinda reminds me of Curtis Enis too.

Man I have to look up Curt Warner's name everytime I see him run in my early football memories...
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