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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 12:15 am    Post subject: Tomlin Says Harrison Will Replace Porter Reply with quote

From today's Post-Gazette:

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They already know the linebacker Tomlin expects to replace Porter.

"I have an idea of what I think James Harrison is capable of and I think it's going to be more than enough," Tomlin said of the Steelers' top backup on the outside the past three seasons.


It's a good article. Here's the link: http://post-gazette.com/pg/07085/772593-66.stm.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 2:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm I love Harrison, but is he really good enough to replace Porter? This just means we will not sign any free agents. We all knew he would start over a rookie, so nevermind He is the best player for this spot on our team. I am not compalining.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 2:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gatek99 wrote:
Hmm I love Harrison, but is he really good enough to replace Porter? This just means we will not sign any free agents. We all knew he would start over a rookie, so nevermind He is the best player for this spot on our team. I am not compalining.


He knows the system, which is the best part. He's been in it for a while so he knows what to do. We won't have to deal with a rookie learning curve.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 2:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gatek99 wrote:
Hmm I love Harrison, but is he really good enough to replace Porter? This just means we will not sign any free agents. We all knew he would start over a rookie, so nevermind He is the best player for this spot on our team. I am not compalining.


Harrison is a pass rushing specialist to the fullest extent of the term. Not so sure about his run stopping ability/coverage.

Can't find any combine numbers on him either. I fail at this thread.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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"I have an idea of what I think James Harrison is capable of and I think it's going to be more than enough," Tomlin said of the Steelers' top backup on the outside the past three seasons.



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But can he play every down, every game?

"He'll answer those questions inside the white lines," Tomlin said. "I'm in Minnesota last year and everyone's talking about how miserable our linebacker corps was and how we had no chance to put together a solid defense because of our linebackers. And those guys went out there and played rock-solid football
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Whoever we replace Joey with, the fans and the people who are concerned and have a stake in it will learn to love those guys and appreciate those guys for who they are. I know that's going to be a fact


Sorry for quoting nearly the entire article but I believe it. I think Harrison is more than an adequate replacement who will play to the very minimum to the standards Joey set last year.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big7BenMVP wrote:
gatek99 wrote:
Hmm I love Harrison, but is he really good enough to replace Porter? This just means we will not sign any free agents. We all knew he would start over a rookie, so nevermind He is the best player for this spot on our team. I am not compalining.


He knows the system, which is the best part. He's been in it for a while so he knows what to do. We won't have to deal with a rookie learning curve.


Quick question have u ever seen a 6-0 242 pound play OLB in a 3-4 and be effective ???
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BaLrAv3nS wrote:
Quick question have u ever seen a 6-0 242 pound play OLB in a 3-4 and be effective ???

Greg Lloyd is a fairly good example. While he was taller (at a shade over 6'2"), he weighed only 225lbs or thereabouts.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

azazaz7 wrote:
BaLrAv3nS wrote:
Quick question have u ever seen a 6-0 242 pound play OLB in a 3-4 and be effective ???

Greg Lloyd is a fairly good example. While he was taller (at a shade over 6'2"), he weighed only 225lbs or thereabouts.


He was not 6`0 though...

Most 3-4 OLB are 6`2-6`5 under sized 4-3 DEs.....

I do not think Harriosn will be affective as an OLB ...

He will get pushed around 6`0 is too small ....

Height is a big thing for an OLB in a 3-4....
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BaLrAv3nS wrote:
azazaz7 wrote:
BaLrAv3nS wrote:
Quick question have u ever seen a 6-0 242 pound play OLB in a 3-4 and be effective ???

Greg Lloyd is a fairly good example. While he was taller (at a shade over 6'2"), he weighed only 225lbs or thereabouts.


He was not 6`0 though...

Most 3-4 OLB are 6`2-6`5 under sized 4-3 DEs.....

I do not think Harriosn will be affective as an OLB ...

He will get pushed around 6`0 is too small ....

Height is a big thing for an OLB in a 3-4....

We'll soon find out. Harrison (and Haggans) are little more than a stopgap in my opinion. That's not to say they're ineffective (Harrison is a decent player) but I agree neither of them will force teams opponents to change their gameplan. The best way of unhinging offenses isn't to rely on Harrison/Haggans in 3-4 packages because neither are good enough but to mix up defensive strategies much like the Ravens did last year (it pains me to say that!).
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

azazaz7 wrote:
BaLrAv3nS wrote:
azazaz7 wrote:
BaLrAv3nS wrote:
Quick question have u ever seen a 6-0 242 pound play OLB in a 3-4 and be effective ???

Greg Lloyd is a fairly good example. While he was taller (at a shade over 6'2"), he weighed only 225lbs or thereabouts.


He was not 6`0 though...

Most 3-4 OLB are 6`2-6`5 under sized 4-3 DEs.....

I do not think Harriosn will be affective as an OLB ...

He will get pushed around 6`0 is too small ....

Height is a big thing for an OLB in a 3-4....

We'll soon find out. Harrison (and Haggans) are little more than a stopgap in my opinion. That's not to say they're ineffective (Harrison is a decent player) but I agree neither of them will force teams opponents to change their gameplan. The best way of unhinging offenses isn't to rely on Harrison/Haggans in 3-4 packages because neither are good enough but to mix up defensive strategies much like the Ravens did last year (it pains me to say that!).


Well to be fair pal....

I think Tomlin wants to move to cover 2 personal....thats undersized LBs at 5`10-6`1 220-240 but they are all fast and can cover..


I think Harrison could play cover 2 well...in a 4-3 OLB position ....

So i think Tomlin will draft a pass rushing DE and a OLB cover 2 type....

But time will tell i can not see him using 3-4 for long.....

How many years does Troy and Hampton have left on their contracts...???

Draft day trade????
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BaLrAv3nS wrote:
How many years does Troy and Hampton have left on their contracts...???

Draft day trade????


Not a chance!
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BaLrAv3nS wrote:
I do not think Harriosn will be affective as an OLB ...

He will get pushed around 6`0 is too small ....

Height is a big thing for an OLB in a 3-4....


Could you explain this a little? Why is height a big thing at that position? It seems like, if anything, Harrison's stature may help keep him from being pushed around. On his 6' frame, those 242 lbs. are pretty tightly packed. He's a thick-bodied dude. Seems like that could work to his advantage when squaring off against taller, heavier O-linemen. I would appreciate any insight.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blacky Gold wrote:
BaLrAv3nS wrote:
I do not think Harriosn will be affective as an OLB ...

He will get pushed around 6`0 is too small ....

Height is a big thing for an OLB in a 3-4....


Could you explain this a little? Why is height a big thing at that position? It seems like, if anything, Harrison's stature may help keep him from being pushed around. On his 6' frame, those 242 lbs. are pretty tightly packed. He's a thick-bodied dude. Seems like that could work to his advantage when squaring off against taller, heavier O-linemen. I would appreciate any insight.


Well u do not see and 3-4 Olbs in the NFL all the elite guiys are 6`2 240 +.....usually around 6`3 250

I think its hard for someone 6`0 to try and push someone 6`6 + around...

I remember laffing hard when i watched Dwight Freeny 6`1 270 try and bull rush JO 6`9 345 ...he picked him up and tossed him aside like a rag doll...(in the play off game )

I honestly think Tomlin will turn the D into a 4-3 cover 2 and Harriosn will play more coverage ...

Harrison will have a job against some LTs this year ....L Jones , W Jones ,JO, Pace amongst others are all on the fixture list this season .....
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When did height become the barometer to judging OLB talent. While teams would love to have 6'3-6'5 OLB it doesn't necessarily mean that they're the only ones capable of playing. Batting down passes at the line may be a problem, buy that's about it.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Can we identify who's going to be the playmaker at this point? No," Tomlin said. "Are we concerned about that? Really, no. That's the nature of football. Whoever we replace Joey with, the fans and the people who are concerned and have a stake in it will learn to love those guys and appreciate those guys for who they are. I know that's going to be a fact.
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They already know the linebacker Tomlin expects to replace Porter.

"I have an idea of what I think James Harrison is capable of and I think it's going to be more than enough," Tomlin said of the Steelers' top backup on the outside the past three seasons.

Harrison, who was on the street when the Steelers signed him before the start of their 2004 training camp only because Clark Haggans had a broken hand, has done well as a backup and during his eight starts.

But can he play every down, every game?

"He'll answer those questions inside the white lines," Tomlin said. "I'm in Minnesota last year and everyone's talking about how miserable our linebacker corps was and how we had no chance to put together a solid defense because of our linebackers. And those guys went out there and played rock-solid football."

Tomlin, on the job for two months, said he loves the speculation surrounding not only who will succeed Porter at outside linebacker but all other debates about his team.

"I love those questions. It provides good talk this time of year, the speculation. It gives people something to worry about, and you appreciate that. You hope they enjoy it, but at the same time the wheels keep turning."


If you read carefully...(I directly copied and pasted from the article) Its 2 seperate quotes and Tomlin even says inside the second quote..

"He'll answer those questions inside the white lines".
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