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| Who will win the French Open? |
| Novak Djokovic |
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| Rafael Nadal |
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| Roger Federer |
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Dr. Philly
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 Posted: Fri May 24, 2013 3:43 pm Post subject: 2013 French Open Thread |
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Well the draw came out today, and the bad news is that Nadal and Djokovic are on the same side of the draw. Meaning we'll probably see Fed get steamrolled in the final.
Got Rafa winning here.
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| Posted: Fri May 24, 2013 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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Rafa wins quite easily, for me.
I think out of everyone he could face in the final, I'd now much rather it was Ferrer than Roger. Ferrer has taken a couple of sets off him, whereas even when Roger was in god mode (which he's no longer anywhere near), Nadal owned him on clay.
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| Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 11:16 am Post subject: |
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| Nightmare wrote: | Rafa wins quite easily, for me.
I think out of everyone he could face in the final, I'd now much rather it was Ferrer than Roger. Ferrer has taken a couple of sets off him, whereas even when Roger was in god mode (which he's no longer anywhere near), Nadal owned him on clay. |
Fed v Nadal @ French
2005 (SF): 4 set loss
2006: 4 set loss (tiebreak in the 4th)
2007: 4 set loss
2008: steamrolled (1,3,0)
2011: 4 set loss (first 3 sets requried 7 games to win)
He is 2-12 all time on clay vs Nadal
Ferrer v Nadal @ French
2005 (QF): 3 set loss
2012 (SF): Steamrolled (2,2,1)
He is 1-16 all time on clay vs Nadal
Please tell me how Ferrer looks like a better matchup. Fed has taken sets off Nadal at the French in finals. He has lost some in tiebreaks. He has a far better chance of making a good match v Nadal than Ferrer does. Ferrer has a hard time even getting out of the third at the French.
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Dr. Philly
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| Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 11:44 am Post subject: |
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Think he meant that for entertainment value. Matchup wise. Ferrer mainly forced Rafa to go the distance in their battles this year, while Federer has been swept in their encounter.
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| Dr. Philly wrote: | | Think he meant that for entertainment value. Matchup wise. Ferrer mainly forced Rafa to go the distance in their battles this year, while Federer has been swept in their encounter. |
Fed has played him on clay once this year. He didn't do well, but one match is hardly enough.
Ferrer has taken a couple sets. He's also been bagled in a couple sets
There is not basis to think Ferrer presents a better matchup
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| Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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| mse326 wrote: | | Nightmare wrote: | Rafa wins quite easily, for me.
I think out of everyone he could face in the final, I'd now much rather it was Ferrer than Roger. Ferrer has taken a couple of sets off him, whereas even when Roger was in god mode (which he's no longer anywhere near), Nadal owned him on clay. |
Fed v Nadal @ French
2005 (SF): 4 set loss
2006: 4 set loss (tiebreak in the 4th)
2007: 4 set loss
2008: steamrolled (1,3,0)
2011: 4 set loss (first 3 sets requried 7 games to win)
He is 2-12 all time on clay vs Nadal
Ferrer v Nadal @ French
2005 (QF): 3 set loss
2012 (SF): Steamrolled (2,2,1)
He is 1-16 all time on clay vs Nadal
Please tell me how Ferrer looks like a better matchup. Fed has taken sets off Nadal at the French in finals. He has lost some in tiebreaks. He has a far better chance of making a good match v Nadal than Ferrer does. Ferrer has a hard time even getting out of the third at the French. |
Because right now, Ferrer has taken sets off Rafa in their last two meetings, whereas last week Federer could barely keep Nadal on the court for over an hour.
Ferrer has a better chance of making a match with Nadal at this point in time, as has been proven by events in recent weeks. Ferrer is currently better than he has been at any time in his career, and Federer is pretty much at his weakest. But well done on looking up stats from 8 years ago to try and make your point.
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Can we just skip this? Out of all the tournaments in all the sports in all the world, is there an easier bet than Nadal winning the French Open?
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| Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 8:04 am Post subject: |
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Something is wrong, Nadal lost a set.
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| Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 8:47 am Post subject: |
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Nadal in real trouble, now looks like he'll lose this set as well.
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| Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 8:55 am Post subject: |
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That return saved Nadal in this tournament.
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| Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 11:49 am Post subject: |
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| Nightmare wrote: | | mse326 wrote: | | Nightmare wrote: | Rafa wins quite easily, for me.
I think out of everyone he could face in the final, I'd now much rather it was Ferrer than Roger. Ferrer has taken a couple of sets off him, whereas even when Roger was in god mode (which he's no longer anywhere near), Nadal owned him on clay. |
Fed v Nadal @ French
2005 (SF): 4 set loss
2006: 4 set loss (tiebreak in the 4th)
2007: 4 set loss
2008: steamrolled (1,3,0)
2011: 4 set loss (first 3 sets requried 7 games to win)
He is 2-12 all time on clay vs Nadal
Ferrer v Nadal @ French
2005 (QF): 3 set loss
2012 (SF): Steamrolled (2,2,1)
He is 1-16 all time on clay vs Nadal
Please tell me how Ferrer looks like a better matchup. Fed has taken sets off Nadal at the French in finals. He has lost some in tiebreaks. He has a far better chance of making a good match v Nadal than Ferrer does. Ferrer has a hard time even getting out of the third at the French. |
Because right now, Ferrer has taken sets off Rafa in their last two meetings, whereas last week Federer could barely keep Nadal on the court for over an hour.
Ferrer has a better chance of making a match with Nadal at this point in time, as has been proven by events in recent weeks. Ferrer is currently better than he has been at any time in his career, and Federer is pretty much at his weakest. But well done on looking up stats from 8 years ago to try and make your point. |
Your right. Two matches is clearly a good sample size. Much better than what I've provided. I'd weight last years French over two matches this year, and Ferrer got throttled.
Ferrer is also not at his best right now. Dropping sets to guys like Verdasco, Haas, Turnsonov, Melzer. Getting beat by Anderson. Destroyed by Wawrinka.
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| Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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To be fair, Stan has been looking better this year.
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| mse326 wrote: | | Nightmare wrote: | | mse326 wrote: | | Nightmare wrote: | Rafa wins quite easily, for me.
I think out of everyone he could face in the final, I'd now much rather it was Ferrer than Roger. Ferrer has taken a couple of sets off him, whereas even when Roger was in god mode (which he's no longer anywhere near), Nadal owned him on clay. |
Fed v Nadal @ French
2005 (SF): 4 set loss
2006: 4 set loss (tiebreak in the 4th)
2007: 4 set loss
2008: steamrolled (1,3,0)
2011: 4 set loss (first 3 sets requried 7 games to win)
He is 2-12 all time on clay vs Nadal
Ferrer v Nadal @ French
2005 (QF): 3 set loss
2012 (SF): Steamrolled (2,2,1)
He is 1-16 all time on clay vs Nadal
Please tell me how Ferrer looks like a better matchup. Fed has taken sets off Nadal at the French in finals. He has lost some in tiebreaks. He has a far better chance of making a good match v Nadal than Ferrer does. Ferrer has a hard time even getting out of the third at the French. |
Because right now, Ferrer has taken sets off Rafa in their last two meetings, whereas last week Federer could barely keep Nadal on the court for over an hour.
Ferrer has a better chance of making a match with Nadal at this point in time, as has been proven by events in recent weeks. Ferrer is currently better than he has been at any time in his career, and Federer is pretty much at his weakest. But well done on looking up stats from 8 years ago to try and make your point. |
Your right. Two matches is clearly a good sample size. Much better than what I've provided. I'd weight last years French over two matches this year, and Ferrer got throttled.
Ferrer is also not at his best right now. Dropping sets to guys like Verdasco, Haas, Turnsonov, Melzer. Getting beat by Anderson. Destroyed by Wawrinka. |
I'm not going to get into this discussion other than to say I think tennis is the one sport where small sample sizes are much more representative that longer ones.
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| Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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That was a pretty short 5 set match.
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| Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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| mse326 wrote: |
Your right. Two matches is clearly a good sample size. Much better than what I've provided. I'd weight last years French over two matches this year, and Ferrer got throttled.
Ferrer is also not at his best right now. Dropping sets to guys like Verdasco, Haas, Turnsonov, Melzer. Getting beat by Anderson. Destroyed by Wawrinka. |
Actually, I'd say it is. A recent, smaller sample size works better in sport than stuff dating back years. I'm picking such recent samples because Nadal is just returning from a long injury lay-off. Last season at RG when he schooled Ferrer, he was fully healthy. Since then, he has struggled somewhat against him. Maybe coincidence and Nadal having a couple of off games, or maybe something to it.
Ferrer is playing better in Slams in the last year or two than he has at any point in his career, and Roger doing his worst at them.
Either way this will all seem irrelevant when Nadal destroys whichever one of them he faces anyway.
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