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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:08 pm    Post subject: SR Bowl North and South Practice Wednesday Reply with quote

NOTE YOU MAY HAVE READ THIS REPORT. THE SOUTH REPORT IS IN THE SECOND POST ON THIS THREAD.

Caveat: I am a economist. I am not a professional scout. It should go without saying these are my opinions and impressions from watching practices. I am sure others there had different impressions from mine.

The scene: North squad practice, Ladd-Peebles Stadium, Mobile, Alabama scheduled for 9:30 to 11:00. It cold, cold and damp but not wet. There was a brisk north wind. I was few minutes late but the squad was still in drills. The players were full pads, but they did not tackle to the ground. There were some good pops of course.

BTW, for the first year they SR Bowl squad have long specialist. Not that I am going to say a single thing about them, but I guess that indicates teams are almost always willing to spend a roster spot for that specialist now?

The eye-ball test: The first thing I do is look around to see who really passes the eyeball test. For example, is there any lineman who looks small as Alex Brown did compared to the other DL. [As you know he turned out pretty good, but it probably is why the Bears got him in the third round.] On the other side of the coin, Todd Wade who the Dolphins picked towered over the other OL his year and Max Stark was massive compared to the other OL his year as this UF fan expected. BTW, naturally at Ladd-Peebles one is further away from players than at the high school stadiums they used up until last year. So the eye-ball test is a bit tougher to make.

On the North squad a couple of guys stood out to me. Carriker of UNL is a tall and big DE listed at 6’6” 290 lbs. [I am saying listed here because I don’t have the official sizes, just what the Mobile paper printed.] Rouse listed as a 6’4” SS has unusual size of a DB.

It was less of a 7 ring circus today. Really it was a bit more of a two ring circus most of practice. Still you can not watch everything and the NFL network booth blocked me a couple of times.

QBs: The big news in the paper yesterday was that Smith officially measured 6’ even. None of the QBs stand out like Palmer did for the South. All three of the QBs, Palko, Smith and Stanton have good arms with Palko maybe a tad less than the others. There was some talk on local sports radio that Palko was not impressing prior to today. To me all the QBs were up and down in their throws which I attribute to the wind a bit.

RB: Not too much to say about them. Rutgers’ Leonard look ok catching balls over the middle some in drills and showed decent speed for the position.. I thought the guy who replaced Wolfe, Cornish, looked nice making some cuts in live drills.

WR: I thought McNight on UND looked good running. I did not see him make any special catches but he looked to be a very fluid running and caught what came his way. Allison of ECU made one spectacular catch, one handed on a passing into the endzone drill. He later dropped one too. I am not sure if that is his rep, or not, but that is what I noticed today. None of the other WRs made much of an impression on me.

TE: Maybe I should have mentioned Chandler of Iowa in the eye-test part. He is another tall, 6’7”, 250 something TE would stands out on the field like Newton of Oregon in the south group. He seem to catch what came his way too.

OL: Again it is hard to say much about them given the style of practice. Brown of Penn State is the biggest in the game I believe at 325 lbs. No one really caught my eye, but this group looked better in a stance to me. BTW, talk radio yesterday backed up my comments on the South OL as there was some comment on their lack of fundamentals.

DL: Carriker and Okoye stood out the most to me in drills and semi-scrimmage. They seemed to be defeating their opponent to get to the QB. I did see Okoye a bit high against a double team on one play. For those of you looking for a 3-4 LB, Spencer had some nice plays at DE/LB. Spencer on my roster is listed 6’3” 262.

LB: As with the south squad there are some names at LB. Poslunszny was ok, but I guess it is hard for me to evaluate LB without tackling. Blades is listed on the roster I have, but I don’t even remember him at all during my time at practice.

DB: Again as with the south, this is the position of the team. Is this the year of the DB in the draft? Hall of Michigan is said to be the best player there. I watched him some and he looked solid as did McCauley of Fresno. But not only is this the year of the DB, but it is the year of the safety it seems. Weddle of Utah looked very good at FS and ended the main drills with a goal line pick. And to me the most intriguing guy there today was Rouse of VaTech. He made a very nice pick on one play I saw. He made a couple of nice plays on running plays. He covered nice from being almost at a LB position. He is a SS listed at 6’4”, runs very well, seems to have a nose for the ball. Like this draft needs another top prospect at safety, but he might move up the board a lot at SS this week.

That is about it for this morning. We shall see if I thaw out enough to go to the afternoon south practice. I teach tommorrow morning so I can only make which ever is tomorrow afternoon. Again post any questions here and I will try to answer and will focus on who you want to the extent that I can if you ask about someone. [I have a mental note to watch the longhorns if I get to another south practice.]


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 6:26 pm    Post subject: Re: SR Bowl North and South practices Wednesday Reply with quote

Since there are no replies to the morning report, I will add the afternoon report to this thread.

Caveat: I am a economist. I am not a professional scout. It should go without saying these are my opinions and impressions from watching practices. I am sure others there had different impressions from mine.

The scene: South squad practice, Ladd-Peebles Stadium, Mobile, Alabama scheduled for 1:45 to 3:15. It cold, cold and drier than this morning but still very overcast. The stadium lights were on. There was a brisk north wind. I was few minutes late but the squad was still in drills. The players were full pads, but they did not tackle to the ground. There were some good pops of course.

For those of you who like celebs, I believe Marv Levy came in and stood next to me for a while and in the same area a me the rest of the practice. I guess part of being a scout is writing small but precisely? For the first time I saw several people jotting down thinks but too small for these old eyes and really probably too small for anyone to read over their shoulders.

Keep in mind opinions jump all over the place this week. Last year UAL QB Croyle was a mid round pick going into the SR bowl, dropped like a rock the first day we heard, rebounded and was maybe a high pick the second and third days and ultimately went in a middle round in the draft.

QBs: The south squad QBs were up and down too. Kolb was the least decisive of them. Yesterday he held on to the ball on one play long enough to get a coach to growl. Today in 7 on 7 drills a time or two he ended up not throwing the ball. This of course can be good or bad. The NFL types don’t want you to force the ball, but it was 7 on 7. Palmer looked good again to me today and better in 11 on 11.

RB: The buzz yesterday was that Darby was cutting off the wrong foot and Kenny Irons did not look comfortable in the passing game. Well twice today when I was watching Irons dropped short passes. Again in fairness, I don’t want to make too much out of two drops.

WR: I heard a coach yell to Bowe, “Now you look like a pro.” [Caveat: the coach sounded like a “Yat” to me so maybe he is paying special attention to Bowe out of regional affinity.] Still I thought Bowe looked quite good. Baker again showed his nice ability to adjust to the ball. Also Stuckey today beat Ross on a press coverage one on one drill and made a nice catch. Higgins was again inconsistent.

TE: Newton again had a nice catch in goal line 7 on 7 drills.

OL , DL: I did not watch them much. No one really impressed me much. Moses came in at 249 lbs if that is a worry to some. I have heard on local radio that he is having a good week.

LB: Willis was in a ugly yellow plain head gear yesterday. Today he had on a Mississippi head gear. Buster Davis is a hitter. He had another nice hit today. Everett showed his speed a bit in coverage.

DB: Ross covered very well today and had a nice break up against Baker on the 7 on 7 goal line drills. Merriweather had a nice pick when someone, maybe Payne broke up a long pass. UTn CB Wade who I have not mentioned yesterday was solid and had a nice break up on 11 on 11 drills. Griffin also had a nice break up on one play and a nice pop on another.

I will see if I can make some of the late practice tomorrow. I will not bother with Friday as it is only a walk through.

Finally another tidbit from this morning, one WR, I don’t remember which one, caught a TD pass in 7 on 7 goal line drills, spiked the ball and did his little dance. I guess this is practice and you have to practice your entire game?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks GATOR

How is Deshawn Wynn looking?
Chris Leak? Tebow? Percy Harvin? Reggie Nelson? Andre Caldwell? Jarvis Moss?
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DonaldDriver213 wrote:
Thanks GATOR

How is Deshawn Wynn looking? Tebow? Percy Harvin? Reggie Nelson? Andre Caldwell? Jarvis Moss?


Well:

1. Wynn is not here.
2. Tebow is not draft eligible.
3. Harvin is not draft eligible.
4. Nelson has declared but the SR bowl only brings in SRs so no Peterson, no Nelson, no home town hero Jamarcus Russell etc.
5. Caldwell did not declare this year.
6. Moss is the same as Nelson declared but an underclasman so not here.

I did hear an interesting SR bowl quote today from talk radio, Quinn and Russell have made a lot of money in Mobile this week.
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Thanks gator. Good analysis. What did you see w/ TE Ben Patrick on his first day? Also, where do you teach?
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ConvenientTruth wrote:
Thanks gator. Good analysis. What did you see w/ TE Ben Patrick on his first day? Also, where do you teach?


Patrick is not here that I have seen and according to the SR bowl site.
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Good hopefully Ross and Griffin continue to impress and Texas gets three more first rounders this year. I think we're only a few away from Michigan for like fifth or sixth most all time.
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ConvenientTruth wrote:
Thanks gator. Good analysis. What did you see w/ TE Ben Patrick on his first day? Also, where do you teach?


Patrick is not here that I have seen and according to the SR bowl site.


Patrick was a replacement and today was his 1st day
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BoYz2tHeBoWl wrote:
Good hopefully Ross and Griffin continue to impress and Texas gets three more first rounders this year. I think we're only a few away from Michigan for like fifth or sixth most all time.


No disrespect to Michael Griffin and all, but I think the safety positon is similar to the guard position in that only the elite see the first round. It's almost like the safety position is one of the less important postitons on defense and he'll likely fall to round 2 because of it. Remember only 8 safeties have been taken in the first round in the past 5 years.

Again, I think Griffin is a good player and he impressed me with his play at UT and in the senior bowl.
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BoYz2tHeBoWl wrote:
Good hopefully Ross and Griffin continue to impress and Texas gets three more first rounders this year. I think we're only a few away from Michigan for like fifth or sixth most all time.


No disrespect to Michael Griffin and all, but I think the safety positon is similar to the guard position in that only the elite see the first round. It's almost like the safety position is one of the less important postitons on defense and he'll likely fall to round 2 because of it. Remember only 8 safeties have been taken in the first round in the past 5 years.

Again, I think Griffin is a good player and he impressed me with his play at UT and in the senior bowl.


Only the elite make the first round? Uhhh, Mike Rumph was not considered elite coming out which is one of the reasons, I believe, he was switched to CB.

Thomas Davis wasn't an elite safety prospect as some thought of him as a LB and I believe that is now his position as well.

Donte Whitner was a huge reach by the Bills and there is no way you are going to tell me that Jason Allen was an 'elite' safety prospect. Jason Allen wouldn't have been selected before Griffin in this draft with or without the injury. Griffin lays the wood better, put up better numbers, showed that he could be a leader, and has no injury issues yet he can't go in the first and Allen and Davis can get picked in the top 20? He also played safety a lot more than Allen in college.

Oh and of those eight guys (Nine if you were leaving out Davis or Rumph, not sure which one) six are Polamalu, Reed, Taylor, Williams, Huff, and Whitner are all proven stars or guys that have shown star potential so I'm sure that'll start making teams reach for safeties in the first.
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Bills= Patrick Willis' new team.
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BoYz2tHeBoWl wrote:
FinMan wrote:
BoYz2tHeBoWl wrote:
Good hopefully Ross and Griffin continue to impress and Texas gets three more first rounders this year. I think we're only a few away from Michigan for like fifth or sixth most all time.


No disrespect to Michael Griffin and all, but I think the safety positon is similar to the guard position in that only the elite see the first round. It's almost like the safety position is one of the less important postitons on defense and he'll likely fall to round 2 because of it. Remember only 8 safeties have been taken in the first round in the past 5 years.

Again, I think Griffin is a good player and he impressed me with his play at UT and in the senior bowl.


Only the elite make the first round? Uhhh, Mike Rumph was not considered elite coming out which is one of the reasons, I believe, he was switched to CB.

Thomas Davis wasn't an elite safety prospect as some thought of him as a LB and I believe that is now his position as well.

Donte Whitner was a huge reach by the Bills and there is no way you are going to tell me that Jason Allen was an 'elite' safety prospect. Jason Allen wouldn't have been selected before Griffin in this draft with or without the injury. Griffin lays the wood better, put up better numbers, showed that he could be a leader, and has no injury issues yet he can't go in the first and Allen and Davis can get picked in the top 20? He also played safety a lot more than Allen in college.

Oh and of those eight guys (Nine if you were leaving out Davis or Rumph, not sure which one) six are Polamalu, Reed, Taylor, Williams, Huff, and Whitner are all proven stars or guys that have shown star potential so I'm sure that'll start making teams reach for safeties in the first.


My point exactly. If they were proven stars that's why they were taken that high. Thomas Davis coming out of college was still considered a difference maker and is slowly becoming a very effective LB. Everyone knew he was going to make that switch.

That's why I'm saying Michael Griffin doesn't really present star-like capabilities. He's a very solid option but nothing warent him being mentioned in the Polamalu's, Reed's, etc.

The Jason Allen situation IMO was a pretty bad pick on Saban's part but it made sense. His opinion on defense is that safety is one of the more important positions because that have such an impact as the last guys back. This idea doesn't exactly flood the NFL, and most consider Saban's pick not only a reach but all-potential pick. Jason Allen had and has all the potential in the world but he never really proved his worth in college (especially with the injury) and now. What I'm saying is I don't think Allen should have been taken that high.

The whole Mike Rumph situation I think had to do with a poor staff in San Fransico. I think that whole organization and the coaching staff really led to San Fran's downfall. Remember, Rumph was considered "an athlete" and didn't really possess the ball-hawking skills of any other safety mentioned in this post.

Again Rumph was considered a corner back by many coming out of the draft. That's where he played in Miami, and San Fran was wrong to use him at safety right away. But again, he was taken in the late 20's.

Laron Landry and Reggie Nelson will likely be the only safety prospects taken in the first round.
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Patrick was a replacement and today was his 1st day


Thanks. I remember that Wolfe was injured and paid some attention to the new RB. I forgot to check the position of the other new guy who was not on my roster. If I get to another North practice, I will try to remember notice him.
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InstiGATOR wrote:
ConvenientTruth wrote:
Thanks gator. Good analysis. What did you see w/ TE Ben Patrick on his first day? Also, where do you teach?


Patrick is not here that I have seen and according to the SR bowl site.
Patrick will be easy to miss (for a 270# tight end Laughing) because his Delaware Blue Hens helmet looks a lot like a Michigan Wolverines helmet.
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From what I've seen Amobi Okoye, Adam Carriker, Levi Brown and Brandon Myles have had great practices. I just watched the morning (North) practices and Manny Ramirez threw some 300# tackle around like nothing. Haven't seen much of Justin Blalock yet. Question
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BoYz2tHeBoWl wrote:
Only the elite make the first round? Uhhh, Mike Rumph was not considered elite coming out which is one of the reasons, I believe, he was switched to CB.

Thomas Davis wasn't an elite safety prospect as some thought of him as a LB and I believe that is now his position as well.

Donte Whitner was a huge reach by the Bills and there is no way you are going to tell me that Jason Allen was an 'elite' safety prospect. Jason Allen wouldn't have been selected before Griffin in this draft with or without the injury. Griffin lays the wood better, put up better numbers, showed that he could be a leader, and has no injury issues yet he can't go in the first and Allen and Davis can get picked in the top 20? He also played safety a lot more than Allen in college.

Oh and of those eight guys (Nine if you were leaving out Davis or Rumph, not sure which one) six are Polamalu, Reed, Taylor, Williams, Huff, and Whitner are all proven stars or guys that have shown star potential so I'm sure that'll start making teams reach for safeties in the first.


I think the real answer is in your answer. You mention a bunch of safeties someone is taking early HOPING they have CB. Allen was maybe a CB, Rumph was a CB too as you pointed out. And this year Reggie Nelson is viewed as possibly a CB too.

So is Griffin a possible CB or is he a pure safety? He he has some ability to be a CB he might sneak into the 1st round. If not, I don't see 3 safeties in the first round either? But I have certainly been wrong about such things before and it is a bad year for QBs so maybe a third safety goes in the first round.
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