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BatCountry!
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It seems more atmospheric that past tool albums. The core style has not changed, but IMO I've seen a trend towards a softer style of music. Undertow is the closest to a pure metal album, aenima incorporated more slow bits but still maintained a very viscous edge with much of the lyrics and music , lateralus brought more selective chord bashing and more introspective lyrics, and this album seems to take lateralus' evolution a step further.
While the quality of music is still there, it frustrates me that they take 5 years to write 6 songs. Tracks 3, 6, 7, 9, and 11 are all basically soft filler tracks, which contributes to this atmospheric feeling that I'm talking about. But my real problem is this: undertow had 9/9 real tracks, aenima had 9/15, lateralus had 7/13, and now we get 10,000 days which has 6 for 11. Are they starting to hit writers block or something?
I still like the album, but I'm disturbed and the trends I'm seeing. Softer music AND fewer songs? Looks like I'm going to have to wait another 5 years to see if the pattern continues.
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VikesGuy07
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Although some of them sound very familiar, there are a number of spots where it sounds like a whole new direction for Tool though. The beginning of Jambi, I was not expecting it to go where it did or even sound like it does. Or when the bass comes in at the beginning of The Pot. Love that bass line. The last half or so of 10,000 Days (Wings Part 2) is really sweet, although it does remind me of Third Eye. The bassline though is just wicked. Intense.
I dunno if it will ever get to Lateralus/Aenema level for me, but it is still better than just about every other CD out there.
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Helter
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opiate and undertow are very solid creations
| Quote: | | Undertow is the closest to a pure metal album |
while their heaviest, it still falls short of what you call a pure metal album. sure it's dark and has killer bass lines but there is no real signs of metal. there is a fine line between hard rock / alternative and metal. metal is defined as non conformity, and stretching standards which tool comes close but gets no cookie - they are too thought out and layered with perfectionism.
still some great music
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JuggaLotus
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| Helter wrote: | opiate and undertow are very solid creations
| Quote: | | Undertow is the closest to a pure metal album |
while their heaviest, it still falls short of what you call a pure metal album. sure it's dark and has killer bass lines but there is no real signs of metal. there is a fine line between hard rock / alternative and metal. metal is defined as non conformity, and stretching standards which tool comes close but gets no cookie - they are too thought out and layered with perfectionism.
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Somes times its hard to fit some bands into a label, I see it as hard rock being a circle and Metal being a square and Tool as a octagon. They dont fit right into either, but if you try hard enough you can make them fit into both.
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VikesGuy07
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| BatCountry! wrote: | It seems more atmospheric that past tool albums. The core style has not changed, but IMO I've seen a trend towards a softer style of music. Undertow is the closest to a pure metal album, aenima incorporated more slow bits but still maintained a very viscous edge with much of the lyrics and music , lateralus brought more selective chord bashing and more introspective lyrics, and this album seems to take lateralus' evolution a step further.
While the quality of music is still there, it frustrates me that they take 5 years to write 6 songs. Tracks 3, 6, 7, 9, and 11 are all basically soft filler tracks, which contributes to this atmospheric feeling that I'm talking about. But my real problem is this: undertow had 9/9 real tracks, aenima had 9/15, lateralus had 7/13, and now we get 10,000 days which has 6 for 11. Are they starting to hit writers block or something?
I still like the album, but I'm disturbed and the trends I'm seeing. Softer music AND fewer songs? Looks like I'm going to have to wait another 5 years to see if the pattern continues. |
Yes, you can argue that there are less "songs" on the album, but look at the lengths of the songs too.
7:06, 7:28, 11:13, 6:21, 11:11, and 8:55, and those are the tracks you call the only "songs".
I personally see track 3 and 9 also as "songs" but I can see how you wouldn't. They are definitely moody and there to help create the mood, but I have a problem calling them "filler" tracks because A) They are actualy music, it isn't random crap or silence or anything. They are indeed songs, and B) They are long. At 6:11 and 7:21 respectively, if they fill up that much time with music, which they do, then they are songs. They do make sense musically, it isn't just random crap. As a whole CD, listening to it straight through, it all makes sense and doens't sound like any filler. But as stand alone songs, they don't make too much sense.
Also, Lost Keys (Blame Hofman) I would call an interlude, not filler, but an interlude. And it does a great job of setting up Rosetta Stoned.
All of these non "songs" aren't in the running to be their next single, but they are songs I think.
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Since you're just getting into metal here are a few suggestions for you...
Soulfly-primative (Max is god, check out any soulfly album or older sepultura album)
American Head Charge-the war of art
Hed P.E.- self titled or broke-It's just filthy metal!
Lamb of God-ashes of the wake
Meshuggah-any album
Mushroomhead-self titled, superbuick or the big label release XX (not XXIII-CRAP!)
Of course anybody getting into metal should always start with Slayer! Check out reign in blood. |
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