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First, this will definitely change by April.
Second, I figure if I'm going to offer my input/criticism on others I ought to put my thoughts out there.
Third, I am basing this on the current state of the team with the assumptions that Hampton and Clark are retained.
Fourth, fire away. I know these are some different names and fully expect lots of criticism.
1. Maurkice Pouncey - I see no faster way to improve the entire state of the OL than to replace Hartwig. Pouncey is the best IOL in the draft and a better pure C prospect than either Mack or Mangold. I get the value argument, but feel that this draft must be about 2010. Day 1 starter in 2010.
2. Navorro Bowman - Kills two birds with one stone. Provides immediate OLB depth in addition to a guy who can kick inside to Timmons spot as he replaces Farrior. He's got the best read/recognition instincts in the entire LB class. At 231 he is undersized, but I see at least 10 pounds of growth and an amazing 2nd round value. Rotational impact in 2010.
3. Javier Arenas - Opinions on how the CB prospects fall after Haden seems to be all over the board. I think the 3rd is a reasonable projection. I think he fits a zone scheme well and is an immediate upgrade to Willie Gay. Provides competition to Logan for PR duties as well. Starter at CB by mid 2010.
4. Myron Rolle - Lots of talk about him. Ultimately I think he runs closer to 4.6 than 4.5. His poor showing in his junior year will be remembered. However, our defense needs a FS that can be in the right spot at the right time and an intelligent vocal leader. He may not make it this far ultimately, but I think this is about right pre-combine. Clark's back-up for 2010.
5. Roger Saffold - Here's the developmental OT prospect to replace Hillis. Thing is he could start at RG from Day 1. Looked like the best player on the field at the Shrine game and he controlled Greg Hardy throughout. Replaces Colon at RT in 2011 and competes for starting LG spot in 2010 as Kemo moves to RG.
Again, these are just my thoughts today. They will definitely change as April comes closer.
Like I said, fire away.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 3:15 pm Post subject: Re: My pre-combine 5 round mock |
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| treat88 wrote: | First, this will definitely change by April.
Second, I figure if I'm going to offer my input/criticism on others I ought to put my thoughts out there.
Third, I am basing this on the current state of the team with the assumptions that Hampton and Clark are retained.
Fourth, fire away. I know these are some different names and fully expect lots of criticism.
1. Maurkice Pouncey - I see no faster way to improve the entire state of the OL than to replace Hartwig. Pouncey is the best IOL in the draft and a better pure C prospect than either Mack or Mangold. I get the value argument, but feel that this draft must be about 2010. Day 1 starter in 2010.
2. Navorro Bowman - Kills two birds with one stone. Provides immediate OLB depth in addition to a guy who can kick inside to Timmons spot as he replaces Farrior. He's got the best read/recognition instincts in the entire LB class. At 231 he is undersized, but I see at least 10 pounds of growth and an amazing 2nd round value. Rotational impact in 2010.
3. Javier Arenas - Opinions on how the CB prospects fall after Haden seems to be all over the board. I think the 3rd is a reasonable projection. I think he fits a zone scheme well and is an immediate upgrade to Willie Gay. Provides competition to Logan for PR duties as well. Starter at CB by mid 2010.
4. Myron Rolle - Lots of talk about him. Ultimately I think he runs closer to 4.6 than 4.5. His poor showing in his junior year will be remembered. However, our defense needs a FS that can be in the right spot at the right time and an intelligent vocal leader. He may not make it this far ultimately, but I think this is about right pre-combine. Clark's back-up for 2010.
5. Roger Saffold - Here's the developmental OT prospect to replace Hillis. Thing is he could start at RG from Day 1. Looked like the best player on the field at the Shrine game and he controlled Greg Hardy throughout. Replaces Colon at RT in 2011 and competes for starting LG spot in 2010 as Kemo moves to RG.
Again, these are just my thoughts today. They will definitely change as April comes closer.
Like I said, fire away. |
Pretty good but we have Arenas in Burnett...
Similar size and skillset and both are good returners...
I also know that you can never have too many DBs and would welcome another playmaker with limited speed onto the B&G...  |
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bbelan2343
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| Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 3:32 pm Post subject: Re: My pre-combine 5 round mock |
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| armsteeld wrote: | | treat88 wrote: | First, this will definitely change by April.
Second, I figure if I'm going to offer my input/criticism on others I ought to put my thoughts out there.
Third, I am basing this on the current state of the team with the assumptions that Hampton and Clark are retained.
Fourth, fire away. I know these are some different names and fully expect lots of criticism.
1. Maurkice Pouncey - I see no faster way to improve the entire state of the OL than to replace Hartwig. Pouncey is the best IOL in the draft and a better pure C prospect than either Mack or Mangold. I get the value argument, but feel that this draft must be about 2010. Day 1 starter in 2010.
2. Navorro Bowman - Kills two birds with one stone. Provides immediate OLB depth in addition to a guy who can kick inside to Timmons spot as he replaces Farrior. He's got the best read/recognition instincts in the entire LB class. At 231 he is undersized, but I see at least 10 pounds of growth and an amazing 2nd round value. Rotational impact in 2010.
3. Javier Arenas - Opinions on how the CB prospects fall after Haden seems to be all over the board. I think the 3rd is a reasonable projection. I think he fits a zone scheme well and is an immediate upgrade to Willie Gay. Provides competition to Logan for PR duties as well. Starter at CB by mid 2010.
4. Myron Rolle - Lots of talk about him. Ultimately I think he runs closer to 4.6 than 4.5. His poor showing in his junior year will be remembered. However, our defense needs a FS that can be in the right spot at the right time and an intelligent vocal leader. He may not make it this far ultimately, but I think this is about right pre-combine. Clark's back-up for 2010.
5. Roger Saffold - Here's the developmental OT prospect to replace Hillis. Thing is he could start at RG from Day 1. Looked like the best player on the field at the Shrine game and he controlled Greg Hardy throughout. Replaces Colon at RT in 2011 and competes for starting LG spot in 2010 as Kemo moves to RG.
Again, these are just my thoughts today. They will definitely change as April comes closer.
Like I said, fire away. |
Pretty good but we have Arenas in Burnett...
Similar size and skillset and both are good returners...
I also know that you can never have too many DBs and would welcome another playmaker with limited speed onto the B&G... |
Burnett clearly doesn't have the same return abilities as Arenas...
I'm a fan of this draft. Even though I'm not huge on Pouncey in the first, I understand the pick. Iupati is still my guy in the first round. Even at #18. I'm a big supporter of Bowman and agree with his value here in the 2nd.
I can see some tweaking in the later rounds, but overall quality mock.
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I like the Myron Rolle pick  |
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I like Pouncey a lot. I understand the value isnt' there at 18 but I'd like to see them get him for sure.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 5:01 pm Post subject: draft |
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| i could live with it. if the steelers miss on iupati they could possibly trade down and still get pouncey. nice job. |
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I think maybe flip Bowman and Pouncey and I'm good with it...Not sold that Pouncey is that good...said in the past like his hands ..wish we could see him t the Senior Bowl along with a bunch of other juniors Id like to see compete..only issue they may both be fringe RD1's ....be great if we could find a trade partner in Philly, Green Bay, New England, Arizona.
Like your reasoning for Arenas over Logan..I like Arenas better than Burnett...great blitzer..and confident... |
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SteelProven
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| Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 2:22 am Post subject: Re: My pre-combine 5 round mock |
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| bbelan2343 wrote: | | armsteeld wrote: | | treat88 wrote: | First, this will definitely change by April.
Second, I figure if I'm going to offer my input/criticism on others I ought to put my thoughts out there.
Third, I am basing this on the current state of the team with the assumptions that Hampton and Clark are retained.
Fourth, fire away. I know these are some different names and fully expect lots of criticism.
1. Maurkice Pouncey - I see no faster way to improve the entire state of the OL than to replace Hartwig. Pouncey is the best IOL in the draft and a better pure C prospect than either Mack or Mangold. I get the value argument, but feel that this draft must be about 2010. Day 1 starter in 2010.
2. Navorro Bowman - Kills two birds with one stone. Provides immediate OLB depth in addition to a guy who can kick inside to Timmons spot as he replaces Farrior. He's got the best read/recognition instincts in the entire LB class. At 231 he is undersized, but I see at least 10 pounds of growth and an amazing 2nd round value. Rotational impact in 2010.
3. Javier Arenas - Opinions on how the CB prospects fall after Haden seems to be all over the board. I think the 3rd is a reasonable projection. I think he fits a zone scheme well and is an immediate upgrade to Willie Gay. Provides competition to Logan for PR duties as well. Starter at CB by mid 2010.
4. Myron Rolle - Lots of talk about him. Ultimately I think he runs closer to 4.6 than 4.5. His poor showing in his junior year will be remembered. However, our defense needs a FS that can be in the right spot at the right time and an intelligent vocal leader. He may not make it this far ultimately, but I think this is about right pre-combine. Clark's back-up for 2010.
5. Roger Saffold - Here's the developmental OT prospect to replace Hillis. Thing is he could start at RG from Day 1. Looked like the best player on the field at the Shrine game and he controlled Greg Hardy throughout. Replaces Colon at RT in 2011 and competes for starting LG spot in 2010 as Kemo moves to RG.
Again, these are just my thoughts today. They will definitely change as April comes closer.
Like I said, fire away. |
Pretty good but we have Arenas in Burnett...
Similar size and skillset and both are good returners...
I also know that you can never have too many DBs and would welcome another playmaker with limited speed onto the B&G... |
Burnett clearly doesn't have the same return abilities as Arenas...
I'm a fan of this draft. Even though I'm not huge on Pouncey in the first, I understand the pick. Iupati is still my guy in the first round. Even at #18. I'm a big supporter of Bowman and agree with his value here in the 2nd.
I can see some tweaking in the later rounds, but overall quality mock. |
Javier Arenas
Joe Burnett
Burnett is a far more established CB and he rivals Arenas in the return department also.
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After Haden, the corners really seem to be grouped tightly in terms of both pros and cons. It was really tough for me to decide who might be available and who stood out in that second tier of CB's.
Kyle Wilson seems to be separating himself somewhat, but will likely be more than a 3rd rounder.
Any thoughts on how/why the corners stack up after Haden and Wilson?
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SteelMade43
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like this draft i really do,
Iupati is the man i want with the first pic but you cant argue with your next 4
now Rolle is projected to go in the 5th, by picking him in the 4th are you anticipating his eventually rise that many on here think hes going to have?
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treat88
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| SteelMade43 wrote: | like this draft i really do,
Iupati is the man i want with the first pic but you cant argue with your next 4
now Rolle is projected to go in the 5th, by picking him in the 4th are you anticipating his eventually rise that many on here think hes going to have? |
I think he'll actually settle into the third post combine.
He may go higher if he puts up sub 4.5 speed.
Lower if he drops closer to 4.6.
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Javier Arenas will be a nickel CB. 3rd round is about right.
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bbelan2343
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| Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 3:52 pm Post subject: Re: My pre-combine 5 round mock |
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| SteelProven wrote: | | bbelan2343 wrote: | | armsteeld wrote: | | treat88 wrote: | First, this will definitely change by April.
Second, I figure if I'm going to offer my input/criticism on others I ought to put my thoughts out there.
Third, I am basing this on the current state of the team with the assumptions that Hampton and Clark are retained.
Fourth, fire away. I know these are some different names and fully expect lots of criticism.
1. Maurkice Pouncey - I see no faster way to improve the entire state of the OL than to replace Hartwig. Pouncey is the best IOL in the draft and a better pure C prospect than either Mack or Mangold. I get the value argument, but feel that this draft must be about 2010. Day 1 starter in 2010.
2. Navorro Bowman - Kills two birds with one stone. Provides immediate OLB depth in addition to a guy who can kick inside to Timmons spot as he replaces Farrior. He's got the best read/recognition instincts in the entire LB class. At 231 he is undersized, but I see at least 10 pounds of growth and an amazing 2nd round value. Rotational impact in 2010.
3. Javier Arenas - Opinions on how the CB prospects fall after Haden seems to be all over the board. I think the 3rd is a reasonable projection. I think he fits a zone scheme well and is an immediate upgrade to Willie Gay. Provides competition to Logan for PR duties as well. Starter at CB by mid 2010.
4. Myron Rolle - Lots of talk about him. Ultimately I think he runs closer to 4.6 than 4.5. His poor showing in his junior year will be remembered. However, our defense needs a FS that can be in the right spot at the right time and an intelligent vocal leader. He may not make it this far ultimately, but I think this is about right pre-combine. Clark's back-up for 2010.
5. Roger Saffold - Here's the developmental OT prospect to replace Hillis. Thing is he could start at RG from Day 1. Looked like the best player on the field at the Shrine game and he controlled Greg Hardy throughout. Replaces Colon at RT in 2011 and competes for starting LG spot in 2010 as Kemo moves to RG.
Again, these are just my thoughts today. They will definitely change as April comes closer.
Like I said, fire away. |
Pretty good but we have Arenas in Burnett...
Similar size and skillset and both are good returners...
I also know that you can never have too many DBs and would welcome another playmaker with limited speed onto the B&G... |
Burnett clearly doesn't have the same return abilities as Arenas...
I'm a fan of this draft. Even though I'm not huge on Pouncey in the first, I understand the pick. Iupati is still my guy in the first round. Even at #18. I'm a big supporter of Bowman and agree with his value here in the 2nd.
I can see some tweaking in the later rounds, but overall quality mock. |
Javier Arenas
Joe Burnett
Burnett is a far more established CB and he rivals Arenas in the return department also. |
My initial argument has nothing to do with their coverage abilities from the defensive side of the ball. Just the return comparison.
I agree with them rivaling each other as return specialists, but IMO, my original statement of Arenas being the more established return threat stands. The only comparison in both prospects return abilities from these links are their dominance of their respected conference from college.
and.. SEC > Conference USA
Expanded, it looks like Arenas could be a two way at the next level. I'm thinking a lesser Hester out of Arenas.
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SteelProven
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| Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 4:20 pm Post subject: Re: My pre-combine 5 round mock |
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| bbelan2343 wrote: | | SteelProven wrote: | | bbelan2343 wrote: | | armsteeld wrote: | | treat88 wrote: | First, this will definitely change by April.
Second, I figure if I'm going to offer my input/criticism on others I ought to put my thoughts out there.
Third, I am basing this on the current state of the team with the assumptions that Hampton and Clark are retained.
Fourth, fire away. I know these are some different names and fully expect lots of criticism.
1. Maurkice Pouncey - I see no faster way to improve the entire state of the OL than to replace Hartwig. Pouncey is the best IOL in the draft and a better pure C prospect than either Mack or Mangold. I get the value argument, but feel that this draft must be about 2010. Day 1 starter in 2010.
2. Navorro Bowman - Kills two birds with one stone. Provides immediate OLB depth in addition to a guy who can kick inside to Timmons spot as he replaces Farrior. He's got the best read/recognition instincts in the entire LB class. At 231 he is undersized, but I see at least 10 pounds of growth and an amazing 2nd round value. Rotational impact in 2010.
3. Javier Arenas - Opinions on how the CB prospects fall after Haden seems to be all over the board. I think the 3rd is a reasonable projection. I think he fits a zone scheme well and is an immediate upgrade to Willie Gay. Provides competition to Logan for PR duties as well. Starter at CB by mid 2010.
4. Myron Rolle - Lots of talk about him. Ultimately I think he runs closer to 4.6 than 4.5. His poor showing in his junior year will be remembered. However, our defense needs a FS that can be in the right spot at the right time and an intelligent vocal leader. He may not make it this far ultimately, but I think this is about right pre-combine. Clark's back-up for 2010.
5. Roger Saffold - Here's the developmental OT prospect to replace Hillis. Thing is he could start at RG from Day 1. Looked like the best player on the field at the Shrine game and he controlled Greg Hardy throughout. Replaces Colon at RT in 2011 and competes for starting LG spot in 2010 as Kemo moves to RG.
Again, these are just my thoughts today. They will definitely change as April comes closer.
Like I said, fire away. |
Pretty good but we have Arenas in Burnett...
Similar size and skillset and both are good returners...
I also know that you can never have too many DBs and would welcome another playmaker with limited speed onto the B&G... |
Burnett clearly doesn't have the same return abilities as Arenas...
I'm a fan of this draft. Even though I'm not huge on Pouncey in the first, I understand the pick. Iupati is still my guy in the first round. Even at #18. I'm a big supporter of Bowman and agree with his value here in the 2nd.
I can see some tweaking in the later rounds, but overall quality mock. |
Javier Arenas
Joe Burnett
Burnett is a far more established CB and he rivals Arenas in the return department also. |
My initial argument has nothing to do with their coverage abilities from the defensive side of the ball. Just the return comparison.
I agree with them rivaling each other as return specialists, but IMO, my original statement of Arenas being the more established return threat stands. The only comparison in both prospects return abilities from these links are their dominance of their respected conference from college.
and.. SEC > Conference USA
Expanded, it looks like Arenas could be a two way at the next level. I'm thinking a lesser Hester out of Arenas. |
I like Arenas so will see if he has what it takes to be a good/great returner, because he still has some growing to do as a CB.
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Seems like Bowman would have to play inside in the 3-4.
Saffold is on the ascent. Hey may go higher than you have him.
Otherwise, yes. |
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