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Clutch
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| Porkins wrote: | | SUG wrote: | | FinsWin wrote: | | Porkins wrote: | | AddiX wrote: | | Porkins wrote: | To all the people who say he lost us the Colts' and Saints' games.
One play is NEVER responsible for the outcome of a football game. |
When the ball hits your hands it sure as heck isn't anyone elses fault. |
When the defense is playing on par with your local special olympic team it's still a receiver's fault?  |
It is definitely the receivers fault when the defense is taking picks back to the house off your hands. |
With all due respect Porkins ,if you can, go back & watch the game.
You will see It not just about "the catch he didn't make".
He dropped 2 other passes that hit him in the hands in the end zone.
14 pts.
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I'm not denying his drops, I'm saying that to put the blame on his shoulders alone is ridiculous especially how our defense performed. |
Exactly the stance of the Pro-Ted Ginn. You can't blame a loss on one player when we had a 21 point lead late in the second quarter. That is just whipping boy material.
Ted will be the first one to say that he has to come up with those catches, like any WR would. But to blame him for losses, that is silly.
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SUG
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| FOOTBALLFAN08 wrote: | | SUG wrote: | | FinsWin wrote: | | Porkins wrote: | | AddiX wrote: | | Porkins wrote: | To all the people who say he lost us the Colts' and Saints' games.
One play is NEVER responsible for the outcome of a football game. |
When the ball hits your hands it sure as heck isn't anyone elses fault. |
When the defense is playing on par with your local special olympic team it's still a receiver's fault? |
It is definitely the receivers fault when the defense is taking picks back to the house off your hands. |
With all due respect Porkins ,if you can, go back & watch the game.
You will see It not just about "the catch he didn't make".
He dropped 2 other passes that hit him in the hands in the end zone.
14 pts.
sug |
And now you have to point out in the Defend Ted Ginn Thread that he was the biggest reason we beat the Jets on 2 occasions . Sounds to me like hes balanced that out .
Now tell me the game Bess or Hartline have dented and made an actual impact in ?
Camarillo forever gets a pass for the OT in Baltimore . |
His STs play is the reason we beat the JERKS without question.
The instance I'm specifically referring to is on the WRs end in another gm & not STs.
Are you suggesting his performance last Sun "balances" or justifies his tenure in Mia ???
As for Bess, if someone wants to start that thread I'll be happy to contribute my opinion on that specific issue.
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FOOTBALLFAN08
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| SUG wrote: | | FOOTBALLFAN08 wrote: | | SUG wrote: | | FinsWin wrote: | | Porkins wrote: | | AddiX wrote: | | Porkins wrote: | To all the people who say he lost us the Colts' and Saints' games.
One play is NEVER responsible for the outcome of a football game. |
When the ball hits your hands it sure as heck isn't anyone elses fault. |
When the defense is playing on par with your local special olympic team it's still a receiver's fault? |
It is definitely the receivers fault when the defense is taking picks back to the house off your hands. |
With all due respect Porkins ,if you can, go back & watch the game.
You will see It not just about "the catch he didn't make".
He dropped 2 other passes that hit him in the hands in the end zone.
14 pts.
sug |
And now you have to point out in the Defend Ted Ginn Thread that he was the biggest reason we beat the Jets on 2 occasions . Sounds to me like hes balanced that out .
Now tell me the game Bess or Hartline have dented and made an actual impact in ?
Camarillo forever gets a pass for the OT in Baltimore . |
His STs play is the reason we beat the JERKS without question.
The instance I'm specifically referring to is on the WRs end in another gm & not STs.
Are you suggesting his performance last Sun "balances" or justifies his tenure in Mia ???
As for Bess, if someone wants to start that thread I'll be happy to contribute my opinion on that specific issue.
sug |
That would be fine if Ginn were just a WR, but hes not . Take the entire Ted Ginn . Not just the part you just dont like . |
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SUG
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| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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| FOOTBALLFAN08 wrote: | | SUG wrote: | | FOOTBALLFAN08 wrote: | | SUG wrote: | | FinsWin wrote: | | Porkins wrote: | | AddiX wrote: | | Porkins wrote: | To all the people who say he lost us the Colts' and Saints' games.
One play is NEVER responsible for the outcome of a football game. |
When the ball hits your hands it sure as heck isn't anyone elses fault. |
When the defense is playing on par with your local special olympic team it's still a receiver's fault? |
It is definitely the receivers fault when the defense is taking picks back to the house off your hands. |
With all due respect Porkins ,if you can, go back & watch the game.
You will see It not just about "the catch he didn't make".
He dropped 2 other passes that hit him in the hands in the end zone.
14 pts.
sug |
And now you have to point out in the Defend Ted Ginn Thread that he was the biggest reason we beat the Jets on 2 occasions . Sounds to me like hes balanced that out .
Now tell me the game Bess or Hartline have dented and made an actual impact in ?
Camarillo forever gets a pass for the OT in Baltimore . |
His STs play is the reason we beat the JERKS without question.
The instance I'm specifically referring to is on the WRs end in another gm & not STs.
Are you suggesting his performance last Sun "balances" or justifies his tenure in Mia ???
As for Bess, if someone wants to start that thread I'll be happy to contribute my opinion on that specific issue.
sug |
That would be fine if Ginn were just a WR, but hes not . Take the entire Ted Ginn . Not just the part you just dont like . |
Hey FF08
How realistic is it to think that IF # 19 were to consider a 30-40% pay cut & re negotiate a new
contract over a 4 yr period with a new job title he might remain in Mia?
Thats what # 19 fans need to start asking themselves.
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FOOTBALLFAN08
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| SUG wrote: | | FOOTBALLFAN08 wrote: | | SUG wrote: | | FOOTBALLFAN08 wrote: | | SUG wrote: | | FinsWin wrote: | | Porkins wrote: | | AddiX wrote: | | Porkins wrote: | To all the people who say he lost us the Colts' and Saints' games.
One play is NEVER responsible for the outcome of a football game. |
When the ball hits your hands it sure as heck isn't anyone elses fault. |
When the defense is playing on par with your local special olympic team it's still a receiver's fault? |
It is definitely the receivers fault when the defense is taking picks back to the house off your hands. |
With all due respect Porkins ,if you can, go back & watch the game.
You will see It not just about "the catch he didn't make".
He dropped 2 other passes that hit him in the hands in the end zone.
14 pts.
sug |
And now you have to point out in the Defend Ted Ginn Thread that he was the biggest reason we beat the Jets on 2 occasions . Sounds to me like hes balanced that out .
Now tell me the game Bess or Hartline have dented and made an actual impact in ?
Camarillo forever gets a pass for the OT in Baltimore . |
His STs play is the reason we beat the JERKS without question.
The instance I'm specifically referring to is on the WRs end in another gm & not STs.
Are you suggesting his performance last Sun "balances" or justifies his tenure in Mia ???
As for Bess, if someone wants to start that thread I'll be happy to contribute my opinion on that specific issue.
sug |
That would be fine if Ginn were just a WR, but hes not . Take the entire Ted Ginn . Not just the part you just dont like . |
Hey FF08
How realistic is it to think that IF # 19 were to consider a 30-40% pay cut & re negotiate a new
contract over a 4 yr period with a new job title he might remain in Mia?
Thats what # 19 fans need to start asking themselves.
sug |
Again , you have not answered my question . Name a big play that Bess or Hartline have made ? Name one game in which you can recall off the top of your head that any of those 2 have made an actual impact . Name a specific play that stands out as a WR where you said that kid just did something that sets him apart from the others .
I'm just curious . |
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jthomps123
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| Hartline had a 60+ yard reception for the 4 yard line that set up our only TD of the second half against the Saints. Bess isnt a big play guy but he consistently moves the chains and keeps drives alive. |
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FOOTBALLFAN08
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| jthomps123 wrote: | | Hartline had a 60+ yard reception for the 4 yard line that set up our only TD of the second half against the Saints. Bess isnt a big play guy but he consistently moves the chains and keeps drives alive. |
There are 100 other receivers that can do either of these that you point out . You can find them on the street corner . This does not make for a good argument when defending players . |
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jthomps123
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| You asked a question. And it was answered. Move on. |
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SUG
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| FOOTBALLFAN08 wrote: | | SUG wrote: | | FOOTBALLFAN08 wrote: | | SUG wrote: | | FOOTBALLFAN08 wrote: | | SUG wrote: | | FinsWin wrote: | | Porkins wrote: | | AddiX wrote: | | Porkins wrote: | To all the people who say he lost us the Colts' and Saints' games.
One play is NEVER responsible for the outcome of a football game. |
When the ball hits your hands it sure as heck isn't anyone elses fault. |
When the defense is playing on par with your local special olympic team it's still a receiver's fault? |
It is definitely the receivers fault when the defense is taking picks back to the house off your hands. |
With all due respect Porkins ,if you can, go back & watch the game.
You will see It not just about "the catch he didn't make".
He dropped 2 other passes that hit him in the hands in the end zone.
14 pts.
sug |
And now you have to point out in the Defend Ted Ginn Thread that he was the biggest reason we beat the Jets on 2 occasions . Sounds to me like hes balanced that out .
Now tell me the game Bess or Hartline have dented and made an actual impact in ?
Camarillo forever gets a pass for the OT in Baltimore . |
His STs play is the reason we beat the JERKS without question.
The instance I'm specifically referring to is on the WRs end in another gm & not STs.
Are you suggesting his performance last Sun "balances" or justifies his tenure in Mia ???
As for Bess, if someone wants to start that thread I'll be happy to contribute my opinion on that specific issue.
sug |
That would be fine if Ginn were just a WR, but hes not . Take the entire Ted Ginn . Not just the part you just dont like . |
Hey FF08
How realistic is it to think that IF # 19 were to consider a 30-40% pay cut & re negotiate a new
contract over a 4 yr period with a new job title he might remain in Mia?
Thats what # 19 fans need to start asking themselves.
sug |
Again , you have not answered my question . Name a big play that Bess or Hartline have made ? Name one game in which you can recall off the top of your head that any of those 2 have made an actual impact . Name a specific play that stands out as a WR where you said that kid just did something that sets him apart from the others .
I'm just curious . |
Devon Bess has dropped his share of catchable balls & deserves the Dog House as well.
* In answer to your question:
I already agreed to participate when that thread comes available.
But this is not an an "Official Bash or Defend Devon Bess thread".
You are trying to "pass the buck & point the finger" in your efforts to defend/justify # 19 in Mia.
Your smoke screen wont slow down his eventual departure from Mia.
#19s draft level & pay scale vs his productivity are the biggest problem @ WR for Mia whether you accept that or not.
Besides I'm not buying the comparison/"taking the bait" you present of such a "speedy WR who can spread the field" vs a slot/underneath/safety valve/4th round guy who still has better hands than # 19.
That would be like showing up to Formula 1 competition in a 4x4.
Ain't gonna happ...
* If you really want to defend # 19 why don't you present a more reasonable approach instead of force feeding us this "All or Nothing".
* You gain more support by suggesting solutions for a renegotiation via a new job description & pay scale.
Your argument that he needs more time & he'll come around :
* kills our flexibility
* limits our options
* and paints us in a corner in so many ways if your wrong.
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dolphinologist
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| SUG wrote: | | FOOTBALLFAN08 wrote: | | SUG wrote: | | FOOTBALLFAN08 wrote: | | SUG wrote: | | FOOTBALLFAN08 wrote: | | SUG wrote: | | FinsWin wrote: | | Porkins wrote: | | AddiX wrote: | | Porkins wrote: | To all the people who say he lost us the Colts' and Saints' games.
One play is NEVER responsible for the outcome of a football game. |
When the ball hits your hands it sure as heck isn't anyone elses fault. |
When the defense is playing on par with your local special olympic team it's still a receiver's fault? |
It is definitely the receivers fault when the defense is taking picks back to the house off your hands. |
With all due respect Porkins ,if you can, go back & watch the game.
You will see It not just about "the catch he didn't make".
He dropped 2 other passes that hit him in the hands in the end zone.
14 pts.
sug |
And now you have to point out in the Defend Ted Ginn Thread that he was the biggest reason we beat the Jets on 2 occasions . Sounds to me like hes balanced that out .
Now tell me the game Bess or Hartline have dented and made an actual impact in ?
Camarillo forever gets a pass for the OT in Baltimore . |
His STs play is the reason we beat the JERKS without question.
The instance I'm specifically referring to is on the WRs end in another gm & not STs.
Are you suggesting his performance last Sun "balances" or justifies his tenure in Mia ???
As for Bess, if someone wants to start that thread I'll be happy to contribute my opinion on that specific issue.
sug |
That would be fine if Ginn were just a WR, but hes not . Take the entire Ted Ginn . Not just the part you just dont like . |
Hey FF08
How realistic is it to think that IF # 19 were to consider a 30-40% pay cut & re negotiate a new
contract over a 4 yr period with a new job title he might remain in Mia?
Thats what # 19 fans need to start asking themselves.
sug |
Again , you have not answered my question . Name a big play that Bess or Hartline have made ? Name one game in which you can recall off the top of your head that any of those 2 have made an actual impact . Name a specific play that stands out as a WR where you said that kid just did something that sets him apart from the others .
I'm just curious . |
Devon Bess has dropped his share of catchable balls & deserves the Dog House as well.
* In answer to your question:
I already agreed to participate when that thread comes available.
But this is not an an "Official Bash or Defend Devon Bess thread".
You are trying to "pass the buck & point the finger" in your efforts to defend/justify # 19 in Mia.
Your smoke screen wont slow down his eventual departure from Mia.
#19s draft level & pay scale vs his productivity are the biggest problem @ WR for Mia whether you accept that or not.
Besides I'm not buying the comparison/"taking the bait" you present of such a "speedy WR who can spread the field" vs a slot/underneath/safety valve/4th round guy who still has better hands than # 19.
That would be like showing up to Formula 1 competition in a 4x4.
Ain't gonna happ...
* If you really want to defend # 19 why don't you present a more reasonable approach instead of force feeding us this "All or Nothing".
* You gain more support by suggesting solutions for a renegotiation via a new job description & pay scale.
Your argument that he needs more time & he'll come around :
* kills our flexibility
* limits our options
* and paints us in a corner in so many ways if your wrong.
sug |
And what if you are wrong.
Here we have the "He sucks vs. the we'll see" No one is saying he will be great but you are certain he won't. HOW ?
You sure are squeezing alot of renegotiated job descriptions of 5 drops.
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SUG
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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| dolphinologist wrote: | | SUG wrote: | | FOOTBALLFAN08 wrote: | | SUG wrote: | | FOOTBALLFAN08 wrote: | | SUG wrote: | | FOOTBALLFAN08 wrote: | | SUG wrote: | | FinsWin wrote: | | Porkins wrote: | | AddiX wrote: | | Porkins wrote: | To all the people who say he lost us the Colts' and Saints' games.
One play is NEVER responsible for the outcome of a football game. |
When the ball hits your hands it sure as heck isn't anyone elses fault. |
When the defense is playing on par with your local special olympic team it's still a receiver's fault? |
It is definitely the receivers fault when the defense is taking picks back to the house off your hands. |
With all due respect Porkins ,if you can, go back & watch the game.
You will see It not just about "the catch he didn't make".
He dropped 2 other passes that hit him in the hands in the end zone.
14 pts.
sug |
And now you have to point out in the Defend Ted Ginn Thread that he was the biggest reason we beat the Jets on 2 occasions . Sounds to me like hes balanced that out .
Now tell me the game Bess or Hartline have dented and made an actual impact in ?
Camarillo forever gets a pass for the OT in Baltimore . |
His STs play is the reason we beat the JERKS without question.
The instance I'm specifically referring to is on the WRs end in another gm & not STs.
Are you suggesting his performance last Sun "balances" or justifies his tenure in Mia ???
As for Bess, if someone wants to start that thread I'll be happy to contribute my opinion on that specific issue.
sug |
That would be fine if Ginn were just a WR, but hes not . Take the entire Ted Ginn . Not just the part you just dont like . |
Hey FF08
How realistic is it to think that IF # 19 were to consider a 30-40% pay cut & re negotiate a new
contract over a 4 yr period with a new job title he might remain in Mia?
Thats what # 19 fans need to start asking themselves.
sug |
Again , you have not answered my question . Name a big play that Bess or Hartline have made ? Name one game in which you can recall off the top of your head that any of those 2 have made an actual impact . Name a specific play that stands out as a WR where you said that kid just did something that sets him apart from the others .
I'm just curious . |
Devon Bess has dropped his share of catchable balls & deserves the Dog House as well.
* In answer to your question:
I already agreed to participate when that thread comes available.
But this is not an an "Official Bash or Defend Devon Bess thread".
You are trying to "pass the buck & point the finger" in your efforts to defend/justify # 19 in Mia.
Your smoke screen wont slow down his eventual departure from Mia.
#19s draft level & pay scale vs his productivity are the biggest problem @ WR for Mia whether you accept that or not.
Besides I'm not buying the comparison/"taking the bait" you present of such a "speedy WR who can spread the field" vs a slot/underneath/safety valve/4th round guy who still has better hands than # 19.
That would be like showing up to Formula 1 competition in a 4x4.
Ain't gonna happ...
* If you really want to defend # 19 why don't you present a more reasonable approach instead of force feeding us this "All or Nothing".
* You gain more support by suggesting solutions for a renegotiation via a new job description & pay scale.
Your argument that he needs more time & he'll come around :
* kills our flexibility
* limits our options
* and paints us in a corner in so many ways if your wrong.
sug |
And what if you are wrong.
Here we have the "He sucks vs. the we'll see" No one is saying he will be great but you are certain he won't. HOW ?
You sure are squeezing alot of renegotiated job descriptions of 5 drops. |
Congradulations to you & your fiance' |
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Clutch
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| SUG wrote: | | dolphinologist wrote: | | SUG wrote: | | FOOTBALLFAN08 wrote: | | SUG wrote: | | FOOTBALLFAN08 wrote: | | SUG wrote: | | FOOTBALLFAN08 wrote: | | SUG wrote: | | FinsWin wrote: | | Porkins wrote: | | AddiX wrote: | | Porkins wrote: | To all the people who say he lost us the Colts' and Saints' games.
One play is NEVER responsible for the outcome of a football game. |
When the ball hits your hands it sure as heck isn't anyone elses fault. |
When the defense is playing on par with your local special olympic team it's still a receiver's fault? |
It is definitely the receivers fault when the defense is taking picks back to the house off your hands. |
With all due respect Porkins ,if you can, go back & watch the game.
You will see It not just about "the catch he didn't make".
He dropped 2 other passes that hit him in the hands in the end zone.
14 pts.
sug |
And now you have to point out in the Defend Ted Ginn Thread that he was the biggest reason we beat the Jets on 2 occasions . Sounds to me like hes balanced that out .
Now tell me the game Bess or Hartline have dented and made an actual impact in ?
Camarillo forever gets a pass for the OT in Baltimore . |
His STs play is the reason we beat the JERKS without question.
The instance I'm specifically referring to is on the WRs end in another gm & not STs.
Are you suggesting his performance last Sun "balances" or justifies his tenure in Mia ???
As for Bess, if someone wants to start that thread I'll be happy to contribute my opinion on that specific issue.
sug |
That would be fine if Ginn were just a WR, but hes not . Take the entire Ted Ginn . Not just the part you just dont like . |
Hey FF08
How realistic is it to think that IF # 19 were to consider a 30-40% pay cut & re negotiate a new
contract over a 4 yr period with a new job title he might remain in Mia?
Thats what # 19 fans need to start asking themselves.
sug |
Again , you have not answered my question . Name a big play that Bess or Hartline have made ? Name one game in which you can recall off the top of your head that any of those 2 have made an actual impact . Name a specific play that stands out as a WR where you said that kid just did something that sets him apart from the others .
I'm just curious . |
Devon Bess has dropped his share of catchable balls & deserves the Dog House as well.
* In answer to your question:
I already agreed to participate when that thread comes available.
But this is not an an "Official Bash or Defend Devon Bess thread".
You are trying to "pass the buck & point the finger" in your efforts to defend/justify # 19 in Mia.
Your smoke screen wont slow down his eventual departure from Mia.
#19s draft level & pay scale vs his productivity are the biggest problem @ WR for Mia whether you accept that or not.
Besides I'm not buying the comparison/"taking the bait" you present of such a "speedy WR who can spread the field" vs a slot/underneath/safety valve/4th round guy who still has better hands than # 19.
That would be like showing up to Formula 1 competition in a 4x4.
Ain't gonna happ...
* If you really want to defend # 19 why don't you present a more reasonable approach instead of force feeding us this "All or Nothing".
* You gain more support by suggesting solutions for a renegotiation via a new job description & pay scale.
Your argument that he needs more time & he'll come around :
* kills our flexibility
* limits our options
* and paints us in a corner in so many ways if your wrong.
sug |
And what if you are wrong.
Here we have the "He sucks vs. the we'll see" No one is saying he will be great but you are certain he won't. HOW ?
You sure are squeezing alot of renegotiated job descriptions of 5 drops. |
Congradulations to you & your fiance' |
Its not like Ted Ginn is making 10 mill per here Sug. He is a bargain really. When you factor in his KR duties and WR duties. That arguement would fall on deaf ears in the GM circles.
If it is true about the five drops. Then he shouldn't be ridiculed like this. Under some theories he lost us two games, but under the same theories, he won us two games. The Jet Killer. You can't have it just one way.
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- I've taken a sigbet that I think Ted Ginn will get 1,000 yards receiving. Only 789 yards to go. Ginn needs to average 88 yards per game. |
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Offerdahl56
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| Clutch wrote: | | SUG wrote: | | dolphinologist wrote: | | SUG wrote: | | FOOTBALLFAN08 wrote: | | SUG wrote: | | FOOTBALLFAN08 wrote: | | SUG wrote: | | FOOTBALLFAN08 wrote: | | SUG wrote: | | FinsWin wrote: | | Porkins wrote: | | AddiX wrote: | | Porkins wrote: | To all the people who say he lost us the Colts' and Saints' games.
One play is NEVER responsible for the outcome of a football game. |
When the ball hits your hands it sure as heck isn't anyone elses fault. |
When the defense is playing on par with your local special olympic team it's still a receiver's fault? |
It is definitely the receivers fault when the defense is taking picks back to the house off your hands. |
With all due respect Porkins ,if you can, go back & watch the game.
You will see It not just about "the catch he didn't make".
He dropped 2 other passes that hit him in the hands in the end zone.
14 pts.
sug |
And now you have to point out in the Defend Ted Ginn Thread that he was the biggest reason we beat the Jets on 2 occasions . Sounds to me like hes balanced that out .
Now tell me the game Bess or Hartline have dented and made an actual impact in ?
Camarillo forever gets a pass for the OT in Baltimore . |
His STs play is the reason we beat the JERKS without question.
The instance I'm specifically referring to is on the WRs end in another gm & not STs.
Are you suggesting his performance last Sun "balances" or justifies his tenure in Mia ???
As for Bess, if someone wants to start that thread I'll be happy to contribute my opinion on that specific issue.
sug |
That would be fine if Ginn were just a WR, but hes not . Take the entire Ted Ginn . Not just the part you just dont like . |
Hey FF08
How realistic is it to think that IF # 19 were to consider a 30-40% pay cut & re negotiate a new
contract over a 4 yr period with a new job title he might remain in Mia?
Thats what # 19 fans need to start asking themselves.
sug |
Again , you have not answered my question . Name a big play that Bess or Hartline have made ? Name one game in which you can recall off the top of your head that any of those 2 have made an actual impact . Name a specific play that stands out as a WR where you said that kid just did something that sets him apart from the others .
I'm just curious . |
Devon Bess has dropped his share of catchable balls & deserves the Dog House as well.
* In answer to your question:
I already agreed to participate when that thread comes available.
But this is not an an "Official Bash or Defend Devon Bess thread".
You are trying to "pass the buck & point the finger" in your efforts to defend/justify # 19 in Mia.
Your smoke screen wont slow down his eventual departure from Mia.
#19s draft level & pay scale vs his productivity are the biggest problem @ WR for Mia whether you accept that or not.
Besides I'm not buying the comparison/"taking the bait" you present of such a "speedy WR who can spread the field" vs a slot/underneath/safety valve/4th round guy who still has better hands than # 19.
That would be like showing up to Formula 1 competition in a 4x4.
Ain't gonna happ...
* If you really want to defend # 19 why don't you present a more reasonable approach instead of force feeding us this "All or Nothing".
* You gain more support by suggesting solutions for a renegotiation via a new job description & pay scale.
Your argument that he needs more time & he'll come around :
* kills our flexibility
* limits our options
* and paints us in a corner in so many ways if your wrong.
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And what if you are wrong.
Here we have the "He sucks vs. the we'll see" No one is saying he will be great but you are certain he won't. HOW ?
You sure are squeezing alot of renegotiated job descriptions of 5 drops. |
Congradulations to you & your fiance' |
Its not like Ted Ginn is making 10 mill per here Sug. He is a bargain really. When you factor in his KR duties and WR duties. That arguement would fall on deaf ears in the GM circles.
If it is true about the five drops. Then he shouldn't be ridiculed like this. Under some theories he lost us two games, but under the same theories, he won us two games. The Jet Killer. You can't have it just one way. |
He just "took back" the return duties
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| FOOTBALLFAN08 wrote: | | SUG wrote: | | FOOTBALLFAN08 wrote: | | SUG wrote: | | FOOTBALLFAN08 wrote: | | SUG wrote: | | FinsWin wrote: | | Porkins wrote: | | AddiX wrote: | | Porkins wrote: | To all the people who say he lost us the Colts' and Saints' games.
One play is NEVER responsible for the outcome of a football game. |
When the ball hits your hands it sure as heck isn't anyone elses fault. |
When the defense is playing on par with your local special olympic team it's still a receiver's fault? |
It is definitely the receivers fault when the defense is taking picks back to the house off your hands. |
With all due respect Porkins ,if you can, go back & watch the game.
You will see It not just about "the catch he didn't make".
He dropped 2 other passes that hit him in the hands in the end zone.
14 pts.
sug |
And now you have to point out in the Defend Ted Ginn Thread that he was the biggest reason we beat the Jets on 2 occasions . Sounds to me like hes balanced that out .
Now tell me the game Bess or Hartline have dented and made an actual impact in ?
Camarillo forever gets a pass for the OT in Baltimore . |
His STs play is the reason we beat the JERKS without question.
The instance I'm specifically referring to is on the WRs end in another gm & not STs.
Are you suggesting his performance last Sun "balances" or justifies his tenure in Mia ???
As for Bess, if someone wants to start that thread I'll be happy to contribute my opinion on that specific issue.
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That would be fine if Ginn were just a WR, but hes not . Take the entire Ted Ginn . Not just the part you just dont like . |
Hey FF08
How realistic is it to think that IF # 19 were to consider a 30-40% pay cut & re negotiate a new
contract over a 4 yr period with a new job title he might remain in Mia?
Thats what # 19 fans need to start asking themselves.
sug |
Again , you have not answered my question . Name a big play that Bess or Hartline have made ? Name one game in which you can recall off the top of your head that any of those 2 have made an actual impact . Name a specific play that stands out as a WR where you said that kid just did something that sets him apart from the others .
I'm just curious . |
It must be the QB...
That is the reason Bess,Cam,Hart,Fasano, drop passes or don't make plays?right?
Or atleast if their name was Ginn that would be the excuse.
This is the Defend Ginn thread right?
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I count Ted Ginn, Anthony Fasano and Davone Bess as all having problems catching balls this season close to the line of scrimmage.
Hartline and Camarillo have both shown good hands this season, although keep in mind they haven't been close to the line of scrimmage catching balls. They have more time to adjust to the change in velocity.
I'd say that in general having a new QB, with a vastly different arm, could very well be responsible for the case of drops that right now, 60% of our main receiving targets suffer from.
Furthermore, we're fumbling, muffing punts, dropping passes and altogether not playing well enough to even get in the game in a lot of areas--Patrick Turner--so I'd say that this team is taking its sweet time in getting all the negative crap out of its system that we someone got away from last year.
Last year we took care of the ball and this year we just can't do it to save our lives. This is how I'd sum up our guys:
Ted Ginn - Hot and cold
Camarillo - Clutch but disappearing
Hartline - Decent rookie year at best
Bess - Major slumping as we speak
Fasano - Major slumping as we speak
Haynos - small-time, in-development player
The point is, Ted Ginn is the only player on this team, amongst those listed, that has done anything spectacular in the slightest. Hartline, a rookie, has had by far, the next most spectacular play with his quick-slant catch-and-run, which I don't think really makes him that great.
To be honest, I think we're criticizing Ginn because we really like him. Seriously, we're critical of those that we expect greatness from.
This year, Ted Ginn Jr is the only player who's done something substantial to step up from a sea of mediocrity to show something worthy of watching twice.
Cheers to Ted Ginn because without that guy, our arguments would be 10x worse and we'd be completely desolate in the "play-maker" category.
Bottom line, Ted Ginn Jr will lose his job only when there's someone there behind him who's good enough to take it. You show me someone capable of filling Ginn's shoes in this offense and I'll reconsider my defense of Ginn.
We benched Ginn one week and all of a sudden our offense crumbles. The same offense that's been able to put up 30+ points in the last 3 games...hmmm, it almost seems obvious from afar.
Until we have our own Andre Johnson, all this 'he's benched' has nothing to do with his long-term future and a whole lot more to do with giving our most electric player some tough love that'll light a fire under him.
If Hartline or Bess was benched for the same reasons, no one would care. It's Ted Ginn, our most electric WR, and so it's headline news and people care.
No matter what people say, I know everyone here wants to love this guy.
I see it, it's obvious! 
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