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big_palooka 
Joined: 30 Mar 2006 Posts: 7510 Location: Salt Lake City
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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:29 pm Post subject: Bernard Pollard |
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Found this article about Pollard I thought was interesting.
http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/11322/pollard-a-big-piece-of-texans-improving-d
Pollard was one of my favorite Chiefs. I loved his physicalness and attitude in your secondary. I didn't understand the decision by Pioli to cut him. Mike Brown certainly looks overmatched imo and worst of all he's an aging vet.
Pollard was young and came with a lot of potential. Just one of the many questionable moves I don't understand with the genius Pioli.
That said, what was the reasoning behind releasing Pollard? Big picture move or just a cleaning out Herm's garbage some more? _________________
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RedandGold 
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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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i read that article too its ashame we let Pollard go. He was young with potential _________________
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Sun Devil 
Joined: 01 Oct 2008 Posts: 273 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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| RedandGold wrote: | | i read that article too its ashame we let Pollard go. He was young with potential |
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DT58_lives_on
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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah...plus I'd bet he's hella better than joe schmo off the streets we're going to be forced to start soon. _________________
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ryknowssd 
Joined: 13 Jan 2007 Posts: 13949 Location: Probably at work, wishing I had a beer.
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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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He had a fallout with Haley, according to reports. I wouldn't be surprised if it was both a message to the other players that insubordination won't be tolerated and that Herm's players better be on watch. _________________
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T-Jack94
Joined: 04 Sep 2009 Posts: 409
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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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| ryknowssd wrote: | | He had a fallout with Haley, according to reports. I wouldn't be surprised if it was both a message to the other players that insubordination won't be tolerated and that Herm's players better be on watch. |
So wait, our coach cut one of our best, young talented players to send a message?
I think someone (Clark Hunt) needs to send our coach a message. _________________ SUCCOP 4 PROBOWL! |
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ryknowssd 
Joined: 13 Jan 2007 Posts: 13949 Location: Probably at work, wishing I had a beer.
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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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| T-Jack94 wrote: | So wait, our coach cut one of our best, young talented players to send a message?
I think someone (Clark Hunt) needs to send our coach a message. |
Well, let's not go overboard here. It's just speculation on my part. I'm just saying that it's a possibility, not necessarily fact. _________________
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T-Jack94
Joined: 04 Sep 2009 Posts: 409
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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:04 am Post subject: |
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| ryknowssd wrote: | | T-Jack94 wrote: | So wait, our coach cut one of our best, young talented players to send a message?
I think someone (Clark Hunt) needs to send our coach a message. |
Well, let's not go overboard here. It's just speculation on my part. I'm just saying that it's a possibility, not necessarily fact. |
I agree though, because didn't we cut Will Franklin for that reason? I think Haley just needs to keep the guys and start the guys who give us the best chance to win. The whole thing with Bowe in the preseason was kind of dumb. We just saw the Yankees win the world series, and we found it talent beats out character if you have enough of it. I think Pollard was like a Joey Porter type. There was NO REASON to cut him. _________________ SUCCOP 4 PROBOWL! |
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bigschmadt00 
Joined: 17 Dec 2008 Posts: 879 Location: Illinois by way of TX
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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 9:49 am Post subject: |
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T-Jack94, I hope your not serious right, "talent beats out character?" I think the Redskins and Raiders, and the Yankees of the previous 7 seasons are living, breathing, walking proof of that. You CAN NOT buy a team, especially with the salary cap. The thing with Bowe in the preseason seems to have worked pretty well - http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chiefs/story/1552389.html, even if he is still making mistakes on the field, off of it, he has bought in to what Haley's selling.
I was very disappointed to see Pollard go as he was one of my favortie players. I LOVE a defender that can make that big play and lay people out, but lets be honest, Pollard was the most inconsistent player we had on defense. I think partly what happened was he got Bowe'd, or DJ'd if you prefer, to try and get him to live up to his potential, and then something happened. It was reported that he did fly off the handle in practice and snapped at both a defensive coach and Haley. Later Pollard said Haley and he had talked it out, and he thought it was OK, but he didn't play a down for us again after that. We may never know what really happened, but ultimately, Haley is this teams coach, and if he felt Pollard was not supporting what he was trying to do, then I support him doing what he did. Lets remember that we tried to get a pick for him (reported later), but there were no takers. Pollard then sat on the street for at least 1-2 weeks before getting signed to the Texans. All of that tells me that other teams were not that impressed with his performance. A large part of his success with the Texans is scheme. He is being asked to be in a traditional safety role, in the box, run first mentality. That is his strength, and that is not what he was going to be asked to do here, so he simply might not have fit our scheme either. _________________
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jimmydee
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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:45 am Post subject: |
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TJack, to say that there was NO REASON TO CUT HIM, is the most absurd statement I have heard on this board in some time. To make that statement you have to have been in every meeting, at every practice, and privileged to every personal conversation Haley and Pollard had.
Something tells me that is not the case.
And to your "character to talent" comparison, I seriously hope you didn't mean to imply that we need talent without character, or that there was now way that the two are not consistent with the same person. You may have to look a little harder for the combination, but it's definately worth the effort for the long term stability of your franchise.
Seriously, Dude, I hope I read that wrong, and that you truly don't mean it the way it came across. _________________ season ticket holder from 1977-92. Personal friends with many retired chiefs. Great times. |
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starbarkc
Joined: 30 Dec 2008 Posts: 140 Location: Manhattan, KS
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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:01 pm Post subject: |
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Just because a player is enjoying success somewhere else does not mean he would have been so with us.
1. He went back to his former position coach
2. A change of scenery and a chance at a fresh start can be good motivators.
3. They have a better offense which definitely makes his job easier than ours did [the offense that can't stay on the field for more than three downs] and a better pass rushing d line which also helps. It is a team sport after all.
He's gone, no reason to cry about it, best of luck to him until they play the Chiefs. _________________ It's the Oline!!! Anybody who questions this notion is a dunce. |
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timmay98
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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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| The reasoning I have heard regarding Pollards release was becasue he was too brash i the locker room. We all know Pollard liked to talk and was not the type to hold back. It was a few weeks before the end of camp that Pollard did have a reported verbal disagreement between himself and a coach and by the end of training camp he was gone. To me that's putting the entire team in jeopardy.There a few teams that are all made of choir boys and the fact that a verbal dissagreement cost him his job when all the coach had done up to that point was fire out at all cylinders screaming cursing just sends mixed messages. Haley's relationship issues with players has been well documented and it's worked with some and possibly not others, but because he wasn't the top dog there might have been others there to help cool down the situation. That's not the case here? |
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T-Jack94
Joined: 04 Sep 2009 Posts: 409
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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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| jimmydee wrote: | TJack, to say that there was NO REASON TO CUT HIM, is the most absurd statement I have heard on this board in some time. To make that statement you have to have been in every meeting, at every practice, and privileged to every personal conversation Haley and Pollard had.
Something tells me that is not the case.
And to your "character to talent" comparison, I seriously hope you didn't mean to imply that we need talent without character, or that there was now way that the two are not consistent with the same person. You may have to look a little harder for the combination, but it's definately worth the effort for the long term stability of your franchise.
Seriously, Dude, I hope I read that wrong, and that you truly don't mean it the way it came across. |
No, what I meant was that we need talented players, without character issues. Did Pollard have characted issues? No, no major ones that got him in headlines. If he did, They could have worked something out instead of cutting him. Pollard >>>> John McGraw, DaJuan Morgan, and Mike Brown. We would have at least kept him as a backup, unless we were just sending a message, which I think is why we cut him.
You just don't do that. You don't cut a young talented player to send a message to the other 54. You get your message across in training camp and team meetings. As far as I'm concerned Pollard was fine with being a chief, and his performance on gameday was not lacking. Better than Mike "Missed Tackle" Brown's performance has been.
I'm not saying we go out on a limb and ignore character, I'm saying talent is a top priority for this team, and we need to preserve it. It hurts worse because he didn't want to go and we just cut him. I would be fine if he was a team hazard or if he had no talent. But I think he was just the opposite. (again, I'm not sure, this organization likes to keep things quiet, but I have never heard of any character issues relating to Pollard.)
I don't think anyone can give me a good reason as to why we should have let him go. So, thats what I meant when i said that there was NO REASON TO CUT HIM. _________________ SUCCOP 4 PROBOWL! |
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Marco79 
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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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He has been great for the Texans, he has helped improve our dead last run defense in the 1st 3 weeks to the best in last 5 weeks. _________________
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Kcity58
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Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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| bigschmadt00 wrote: | T-Jack94, I hope your not serious right, "talent beats out character?" I think the Redskins and Raiders, and the Yankees of the previous 7 seasons are living, breathing, walking proof of that. You CAN NOT buy a team, especially with the salary cap. The thing with Bowe in the preseason seems to have worked pretty well - http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chiefs/story/1552389.html, even if he is still making mistakes on the field, off of it, he has bought in to what Haley's selling.
I was very disappointed to see Pollard go as he was one of my favortie players. I LOVE a defender that can make that big play and lay people out, but lets be honest, Pollard was the most inconsistent player we had on defense. I think partly what happened was he got Bowe'd, or DJ'd if you prefer, to try and get him to live up to his potential, and then something happened. It was reported that he did fly off the handle in practice and snapped at both a defensive coach and Haley. Later Pollard said Haley and he had talked it out, and he thought it was OK, but he didn't play a down for us again after that. We may never know what really happened, but ultimately, Haley is this teams coach, and if he felt Pollard was not supporting what he was trying to do, then I support him doing what he did. Lets remember that we tried to get a pick for him (reported later), but there were no takers. Pollard then sat on the street for at least 1-2 weeks before getting signed to the Texans. All of that tells me that other teams were not that impressed with his performance. A large part of his success with the Texans is scheme. He is being asked to be in a traditional safety role, in the box, run first mentality. That is his strength, and that is not what he was going to be asked to do here, so he simply might not have fit our scheme either. |
Good post and good counter point bigschmadt. I agree with you, and its hard because Pollard was one of my favorites too. The dude could lay wood and make big plays....sucks he could bring it all together in time. He missed tackles trying to make big plays sometimes and got exposed in coverage a lot, but I will give him this, you sure seemed to see the number 49 around the ball carrier an awful lot. _________________
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