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jayd1017


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 12:14 pm    Post subject: mid season draft needs and progress report Reply with quote

Please let me know what your opinion is thanxs.
QB-I think we are in need of a starting QB or we will be picking in the top 15 next year and the year after. That said bring back Trent 1 year left on his contract and Fitz to put 2 smart guys around our rookie.
HB-I think they are all set there one position that is solid
FB-As of now this position is nonexistant
WR-We still need to see what we have in Hardy and Johnson but Parrish and To will be gone. Think we need A legitimate number 2. But we will have to wait and see at the end of the year.
TE-This position to me is a wait and see position also. I like Nelson and Schouman but think Fine is what you see is what you get not much upside.
LT-D.Bell is not the answer as of now. In order to keep QB'S on there feet we need an upgrade
LG-Levitre is going to be a sold guard for years but we have a lack of depth.
C-Hangartner is an upgrade over Fowler and Preston but that isn't saying much all in all he has done ok. We also have a lack of Depth
RG-Wood has been solid and has tremendous upside. Lack of Depth
RT-Not sure Butler is the answer but l love the upside in Mearidith think we could be solid either way and have a good backup. Also if Bills wanted to play Mearidith at RT Butler at RG and Wood at C would be an upgrade over this year.
DE- Denney is done here and probably Kelsay to because of huge contract. Schobel is getting older. Orakpo is doing good oh wait we picked Maybin who has not shown anything. With that said still very young with upside. C.Ellis who knows
DT- Stroud is still good but only has a few years left. Williams is a solid rotational player.McCargo is done here as well as S.Johnson due to lack of production and High salary.
OLB-Ellison is better than I thought but in my mind still a good backup.Mitchell isn't who we thought he was and getting up there in age. N.Harris needs another year to get more strength but I think has a place in this league playing on Sundays. Ashlee Palmer will be cut. Jon Corto should have never made this roster.
MLB-Poz is solid in my mind but a middle of pack MLB needs very good players around him to make excellent plays. DiGorgio will be back but who knows were is knee will be.
CB-McKelvin,McGee,Florence,Corner are a solid tandem at CB and like the upside of Lankster who I think will be our Punt Returner next year.
SS- D.Whit will be back there with Scott as his backup very solid in this area
FS-Byrd has shown he is a playmaker and will be a starter here and G.Wilson is a good backup and an asset to our special teams. Wendling is a swing safety and good special teams
Don't need to do K or Punter.
With that all being said lets get started
QB- I think we draft one in the first round J.Clausen,S.Bradford or C.McCoy,R.Mallett if we trade down to the 15-25 area.
WR- M.Floyd from the chargers would be a nice pick up
LT-K.Barnes could come in and compete for the job and use a 2nd round pick on a T such as Jason Fox from Miami, or Cirion Black from LSU
G- I think if we brought D.Lutui in as a backup it would be a solid move.
DE-Best DE available in the 3rd round of Draft
DT- Best available in Draft in latter rounds and pick up a guy like Ryan Pickett to clog the middle with stroud.
OLB-Thomas Davis would be our big money free agent if not him then Thomas Howard. I would much rather have Davis a little better in run support but both would be nice additions.


To me Jake Locker is going to be a huge bust, J.Snead will stay in School
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 1:21 pm    Post subject: Re: mid season draft needs and progress report Reply with quote

jayd1017 wrote:
To me Jake Locker is going to be a huge bust


NO NO NO... you are so wrong, Locker is the man. he does look shakey at times bu he will be great in the NFL. the Bills would be lucky, very lucky to have him fall to them. and i like him over Clausen to.

just because of that i will give you a NO when i vote, that is how much faith i have in Locker to be great.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jake Locker is still so raw. If he comes out this year I am not touching him with a 10 foot pole. He needs another year to really polish his game and its only going to get better. Coming to the NFL after his Junior season is going to ruin his career (especially if he comes to buffalo lol). We need a more polished player like Pike, Clausen, or Bradford...and I say polished not referring to their year but just their overall game is so much better than Lockers.

If Locker goes to the NFL...I see him as a top 15 pick because teams love potential and love workout warriors, but he needs another year of seasoning to be NFL ready
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is very painful on the eyes to read...can u unitalicize and unbold it?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A few thoughts, just my opinion.

All in all I agree with your assessments of the current team.
The draft and FA need a little tweaking IMO.
First, the draft. Clausen? Yes. Bradford? Maybe. McCoy? Wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole. Mallett? He could be had in the 3rd, as well as Max Hall, both of whom would be good picks if we miss out in the 1st.
I really like the OT prospects you named, especially as 2nd round options.
DE/DT on day 2 - I would rather take one in the first 2 rounds (depending on QB in round 1). If we miss QB in the 1st, I would want to take the best Lineman available, whether it be offensive or defensive.

Free Agency -
M. Floyd - Honestly I would rather wait on WR and see how Johnson & Hardy pan out. There will be WR with Floyd's talent every year in FA, and we will have the chance to get one next year if our guys don't cut it.
LB - I would rather sign MLB Kirk Morrison & move Posluszny back to OLB. I think Mitchell, Morrison, and Poz would be a great trio.

Overall it looks OK to me, which is what I voted.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 8:17 am    Post subject: Re: mid season draft needs and progress report Reply with quote

Buffalo_Kid wrote:
jayd1017 wrote:
To me Jake Locker is going to be a huge bust


NO NO NO... you are so wrong, Locker is the man. he does look shakey at times bu he will be great in the NFL. the Bills would be lucky, very lucky to have him fall to them. and i like him over Clausen to.

just because of that i will give you a NO when i vote, that is how much faith i have in Locker to be great.


Sorry man, I have to disagree. Now, I don't know about Locker being a huge bust, but Clausen is the much, MUCH better prospect. Let's take a quick look at the numbers:
Completion % -
Locker has had a comp % over 60.0 only (1) time in 9 games, and that was against Idaho of all teams. Idaho!
Clausen has had a comp % under 60.0 (3) times in 9 games, against Michigan (59.5), Purdue, and USC. In fact, those 3 games are the only times he has had a comp % under 66.7.
Against USC (the only common opponent) -
Locker - 21/35 (60.0%) 237 yds, 0 TD 0 INT (116.88 Rating) W
Clausen - 24/43 (55.8%) 260 yds, 2 TD 0 INT (121.96 Rating) L
Granted, Washington beat USC and ND didn't, but it wasn't because of Locker, who accounted for 6 points (1 TD on -15 rushing yards). Also, until the ND game on Oct. 17, USC hadn't allowed a passing TD. Clausen threw 2, and if D. Kamara hadn't slipped coming out of his break, Clausen's total would have been 3 at that point, and the game would have gone to OT. Clausen also had a rushing TD, and accounted for 18 points.
Head-To-Head -
Locker - 22/40 (55.0%) 281 yds, 1 TD 0 INT (122.26 Rating) L
Clausen - 23/31 (74.2%) 422 yds, 2 TD 1 INT (203.38 Rating) W
ND got the win, due in large part to Clausen's play.
Overall Numbers - (The most important of all IMO)
Locker - 181/321 (56.4 Comp %) 2203 yds, 14 TD 9 INT (122.82 Rating)
Clausen - 209/308 (67.9 Comp %) 2770 yds, 20 TD 3 INT (162.89 Rating)
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 2:18 pm    Post subject: Re: mid season draft needs and progress report Reply with quote

Buffalo_Kid wrote:
jayd1017 wrote:
To me Jake Locker is going to be a huge bust


NO NO NO... you are so wrong, Locker is the man. he does look shakey at times bu he will be great in the NFL. the Bills would be lucky, very lucky to have him fall to them. and i like him over Clausen to.

just because of that i will give you a NO when i vote, that is how much faith i have in Locker to be great.


Be specific as to why you think he'll be "great." The guy relies on his legs more than you would like when drafting a QB out of college. It's rare for a QB who relies so heavily on his ability to create plays with his feet to be as effective in doing so on the pro level. He's got a good arm and I won't knock his ability to make plays in the passing game, but when the guy's first read isn't available, he tends to prematurely tuck and run. That type of game will be easily keyed upon in the NFL. Just my opinion.....
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^ Just to note, this statement is being made despite the fact that one scout that I highly respect currently has Locker as the #1 QB in the 2010 draft class.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i am not saying that Locker is better than Clausen, not at all, i would take Clausen over Locker in the draft. but i just dissagree with jayd1017 saying that he will be a huge bust.

i was at the Buffalo vs. Cleveland game and i herd a guy say "why would'nt you want Tim Tebow? he has the size of Ben Roethlisberger, and the elusivness up Michael Vick." now at first my friend and i looked at each other and started laughing, but then i started thinking that Locker is acctualy the better fit for that statement minus the size. but Locker also has a cannon and he leads his team almost like Tebow. that is why i love Jake Locker.

but no i would not take Locker over Clausen, but i doubt we get Clausen where we will be picking so i would take Locker in a heart beat.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Buffalo_Kid wrote:
i am not saying that Locker is better than Clausen, not at all, i would take Clausen over Locker in the draft. but i just dissagree with jayd1017 saying that he will be a huge bust.

i was at the Buffalo vs. Cleveland game and i herd a guy say "why would'nt you want Tim Tebow? he has the size of Ben Roethlisberger, and the elusivness up Michael Vick." now at first my friend and i looked at each other and started laughing, but then i started thinking that Locker is acctualy the better fit for that statement minus the size. but Locker also has a cannon and he leads his team almost like Tebow. that is why i love Jake Locker.

but no i would not take Locker over Clausen, but i doubt we get Clausen where we will be picking so i would take Locker in a heart beat.


I understand what you are saying, and I also doubt Locker will be "a huge bust," but you did say this:
Buffalo_Kid wrote:
and i like him over Clausen to.

That was what I was responding to.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 1:02 pm    Post subject: Re: mid season draft needs and progress report Reply with quote

BigBillsFan13 wrote:
Buffalo_Kid wrote:
jayd1017 wrote:
To me Jake Locker is going to be a huge bust


NO NO NO... you are so wrong, Locker is the man. he does look shakey at times bu he will be great in the NFL. the Bills would be lucky, very lucky to have him fall to them. and i like him over Clausen to.

just because of that i will give you a NO when i vote, that is how much faith i have in Locker to be great.


Sorry man, I have to disagree. Now, I don't know about Locker being a huge bust, but Clausen is the much, MUCH better prospect. Let's take a quick look at the numbers:
Completion % -
Locker has had a comp % over 60.0 only (1) time in 9 games, and that was against Idaho of all teams. Idaho!
Clausen has had a comp % under 60.0 (3) times in 9 games, against Michigan (59.5), Purdue, and USC. In fact, those 3 games are the only times he has had a comp % under 66.7.
Against USC (the only common opponent) -
Locker - 21/35 (60.0%) 237 yds, 0 TD 0 INT (116.88 Rating) W
Clausen - 24/43 (55.8%) 260 yds, 2 TD 0 INT (121.96 Rating) L
Granted, Washington beat USC and ND didn't, but it wasn't because of Locker, who accounted for 6 points (1 TD on -15 rushing yards). Also, until the ND game on Oct. 17, USC hadn't allowed a passing TD. Clausen threw 2, and if D. Kamara hadn't slipped coming out of his break, Clausen's total would have been 3 at that point, and the game would have gone to OT. Clausen also had a rushing TD, and accounted for 18 points.
Head-To-Head -
Locker - 22/40 (55.0%) 281 yds, 1 TD 0 INT (122.26 Rating) L
Clausen - 23/31 (74.2%) 422 yds, 2 TD 1 INT (203.38 Rating) W
ND got the win, due in large part to Clausen's play.
Overall Numbers - (The most important of all IMO)
Locker - 181/321 (56.4 Comp %) 2203 yds, 14 TD 9 INT (122.82 Rating)
Clausen - 209/308 (67.9 Comp %) 2770 yds, 20 TD 3 INT (162.89 Rating)


With these stats, you also have to consider the talent level that Clausen has around him. He has two stud WR and a first RD TE when he comes out or close to it. He also has a better OLINE than Locker does. I think both guys will have success in the league, I just hope we are able to land one of these guys.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 1:27 pm    Post subject: Re: mid season draft needs and progress report Reply with quote

Buffalo_Kid wrote:
jayd1017 wrote:
To me Jake Locker is going to be a huge bust


NO NO NO... you are so wrong, Locker is the man. he does look shakey at times bu he will be great in the NFL. the Bills would be lucky, very lucky to have him fall to them. and i like him over Clausen to.

just because of that i will give you a NO when i vote, that is how much faith i have in Locker to be great.

Akili Smith was a sure thing in some people's eyes we all know how that worked out. The similarities are there not just the conference they played in. For one if you are not his first option you need not run your route he will take off running.The speed in the NFL is much greater than the pac 10 Yes he has the physical tools great arm good body structure but so did J.P.Even if drafted and he pans out it won't be for 3 to 4 years. I thought we needed a QB sooner than later. He needs another year in college if he pushes himself into the pro's he will bust. MARK MY WORDS DOWN
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BigBillsFan13 wrote:
I understand what you are saying, and I also doubt Locker will be "a huge bust," but you did say this:
Buffalo_Kid wrote:
and i like him over Clausen to.

That was what I was responding to.


yeah i guess i did say that but i was a little steemed at the time because i am a huge Locker fan. well i am telling you now totaly normal that i would like Clausen over Locker. but Locker is my second choice and i would want him if he was still on the bord.
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