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Torres8518
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| A.J. Hawk Fan wrote: | | Torres8518 wrote: | | kamikazepants wrote: | he does have 8 wins
So i'd say he's the best |
Wha?? |
Oh you didn't know? That's how FF ranks players these days...
Aaron Rodgers only has 4 wins out of 7 so that puts him in the about... 15-20 range for QB's. |
Oh, I'm assuming you're joking but wins is a factor in a QB ranking but... Rodgers is stil in the 5-10 range.
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Torres8518
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| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:03 am Post subject: |
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| Faulk28SJaX39 wrote: | | BroncoBruin wrote: | | Torres8518 wrote: | I'd say better then him are:
AP
SJax
Chris Johnson
DWilly
MJD
Ceddy B
Gore
BurnerPortis
Ronnie Brown
Ray Rice
LT
That's 12 definitely better then him and by preference and arguments I'd say yeah 15-20 |
Right now, at this moment, there is no way you can convince me that LT is better than Pierre Thomas. |
I agree with all of them but Portis and LT. I think Thomas is the better back when compared against those 2. |
I've already stated Portis may have been a stretch. But you can't blame LT's problems all on LT. His line has been terrible this year.
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Torres8518
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| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:04 am Post subject: |
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| BabyLockdown24 wrote: | | thomas jones is up there too as an elite back RIGHT NOW. 1500 and 15 tds last year and on that same pace again |
Yeah but he was talking abou the "eyeball test" And Thomas Jones line is really propelling him and Jets fans claim he realy is terrible it's just his line.
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Parkourblog
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| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:58 am Post subject: |
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It's not Pierre Thomas that is good (and don't get me wrong I love this guy, and he produces, he's in all my fantasy teams) but Brees that makes him good.
Thomas on a team that has no QB, and a team that faces an 8 man box now and again would be no where near as effective
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Kal
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[quote="Parkourblog"]It's not Pierre Thomas that is good (and don't get me wrong I love this guy, and he produces, he's in all my fantasy teams) but Brees that makes him good.
Thomas on a team that has no QB, and a team that faces an 8 man box now and again would be no where near as effective[/quote]
Don't agree. Times last year and this, when Brees wasn't getting it done or the Saints committed to running the ball Thomas looked like the man. The difference in the Saints rushing attack when he is in compared to Bush is huge
I hate saying it, but Thomas is a very good player. Maybe not top 5, but he's one of the backs in this league I'd be real comfortable with. |
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RyanFuller003
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| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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As far as I'm concerned, Pierre Thomas is easily the most underrated RB in the league. Every time they give him 10 carries or more he seems to score, and he always has a great YPC average. And it's not just that, I mean he's powerful, he's explosive, he can catch the ball out of the backfield, and I'd go so far as to say it's nothing short of a travesty that Mike Bell continues to get more carries than Thomas does.
Either the Saints are really just committed to having a random backfield between Thomas, Bush, and Bell, or he's the new Marion Barber--looks great every time he gets touches, appears to be a scoring machine, and yet cedes carries to a clearly inferior back just to "keep him fresh." Except he doesn't have Barber's vicious style of running, so I don't know why they'd be limiting his touches other than to keep defenses off balance by using three different guys.
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Roboturner913
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| RyanFuller003 wrote: | As far as I'm concerned, Pierre Thomas is easily the most underrated RB in the league. Every time they give him 10 carries or more he seems to score, and he always has a great YPC average. And it's not just that, I mean he's powerful, he's explosive, he can catch the ball out of the backfield, and I'd go so far as to say it's nothing short of a travesty that Mike Bell continues to get more carries than Thomas does.
Either the Saints are really just committed to having a random backfield between Thomas, Bush, and Bell, or he's the new Marion Barber--looks great every time he gets touches, appears to be a scoring machine, and yet cedes carries to a clearly inferior back just to "keep him fresh." Except he doesn't have Barber's vicious style of running, so I don't know why they'd be limiting his touches other than to keep defenses off balance by using three different guys. |
As a sometimes frustrated Pierre fantasy team owner, I understand what you're saying. But as a Saints fan, it's easy to see why Bell gets his carries.
Bell's running style is just vicious. He goes out there looking to knock somebody out. That can be really demoralizing to a defense. As much as I love Pierre, he's not going to go out of his way to run over somebody. Bell will and I think that makes him really valuable and keeps the Saints offense from being too "finesse." |
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BigEasy504
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| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Roboturner913 wrote: | | RyanFuller003 wrote: | As far as I'm concerned, Pierre Thomas is easily the most underrated RB in the league. Every time they give him 10 carries or more he seems to score, and he always has a great YPC average. And it's not just that, I mean he's powerful, he's explosive, he can catch the ball out of the backfield, and I'd go so far as to say it's nothing short of a travesty that Mike Bell continues to get more carries than Thomas does.
Either the Saints are really just committed to having a random backfield between Thomas, Bush, and Bell, or he's the new Marion Barber--looks great every time he gets touches, appears to be a scoring machine, and yet cedes carries to a clearly inferior back just to "keep him fresh." Except he doesn't have Barber's vicious style of running, so I don't know why they'd be limiting his touches other than to keep defenses off balance by using three different guys. |
As a sometimes frustrated Pierre fantasy team owner, I understand what you're saying. But as a Saints fan, it's easy to see why Bell gets his carries.
Bell's running style is just vicious. He goes out there looking to knock somebody out. That can be really demoralizing to a defense. As much as I love Pierre, he's not going to go out of his way to run over somebody. Bell will and I think that makes him really valuable and keeps the Saints offense from being too "finesse." |
I agree, and even before the season started I was excited about having Bell and Thomas as our two primary backs. They've complimented each other well thus far. I still find it funny that some Saints fans were talking about blowing our first rounder on Beanie Wells.
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Dus10
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Out of our 3 main backs he possesses what I would label the most "normal" running style.
He has above average speed and acceleration for a 215 lb man. He hits the holes when they are presented to him but he has a tendency to be stubborn and if a hole is not where it should be he just plows threw whatever is in front of him instead of taking another (nearby) hole.
He doesn't fumble terribly often but he does seem to fumble at inopportune times.
He's not as good as Bell when it comes to catching balls out of the backfield (not even in the same conversation as Bush) but he pass blocks better than the other two combined and has a knack for picking up blitzes.
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titanrick
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| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 2:10 pm Post subject: |
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| kamikazepants wrote: | | A.J. Hawk Fan wrote: | | Torres8518 wrote: | | kamikazepants wrote: | he does have 8 wins
So i'd say he's the best |
Wha?? |
Oh you didn't know? That's how FF ranks players these days...
Aaron Rodgers only has 4 wins out of 7 so that puts him in the about... 15-20 range for QB's. |
Vince Young is clearly a better QB than Rodgers. I mean damn, it couldn't be anymore obvious |
I'm just gonna nervously chuckle and hope you didn't hear that from a Titans fan...
hahaha.....ha
As for Thomas, I hadn't seen him play much until recently. I like what I see - he passes the eyeball test for someone who can play in the NFL. I only knew of his stats last year and figured that anyone with a pulse could catch defenses napping against the run with the Saints aerial attack. And while that may still be true, Pierre looks like the real deal to me.
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JaguarCrazy2832
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Top-15 back. most teams would love to have him though
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MikeyBaltimore
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| Parkourblog wrote: | It's not Pierre Thomas that is good (and don't get me wrong I love this guy, and he produces, he's in all my fantasy teams) but Brees that makes him good.
Thomas on a team that has no QB, and a team that faces an 8 man box now and again would be no where near as effective |
I can't believe no one brought this up until the second page. If he was a featured back on a run first team with lesser talent, his stats would be no where near as good.
For example if he was in Jamal Lewis' situation, I think he would have similar stats. But as it is he has one of the top QB's in the league taking pressure off him and keeping defenders out of the box, in addition to Bush and Bell taking pressure off him in the running game.
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Roboturner913
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| MikeyBaltimore wrote: |
I can't believe no one brought this up until the second page. If he was a featured back on a run first team with lesser talent, his stats would be no where near as good.
For example if he was in Jamal Lewis' situation, I think he would have similar stats. But as it is he has one of the top QB's in the league taking pressure off him and keeping defenders out of the box, in addition to Bush and Bell taking pressure off him in the running game. |
Well, anybody in Jamal Lewis' situation would not do well, because Jamal Lewis plays for an awful team. That's not really saying much.
If you're going to discount a guy with that kind of talent because he plays on a good team, then you also have to discount players like Marshall Faulk, Emmitt Smith, etc.
And lastly, if playing for a good team is all it takes, then why isn't Reggie Bush putting up huge numbers? If you go on this theory then he should be tearing teams apart rather than getting a token number of touches every game. |
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