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SouthwestSteel
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thanks for sharing your analysis and passion for the game, as always! I have seen almost every Denver game this year, and I have actually been very iimpressed with Moreno at times. we will see how he does monday. |
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stillersenat
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StillersFury
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Mitch Berger is experienced 
I dont want to jinx the Special teams further 
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stillersenat
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Well, this is the game that divides my house:
Mrs.stillersenat is a Broncos fan.
And she loves to point out when the Steelers struggle.
Yep, Monday Night I'll be sleeping on the couch one way or another.
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steelcurtain29
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| stillersenat wrote: | Well, this is the game that divides my house:
Mrs.stillersenat is a Broncos fan.
And she loves to point out when the Steelers struggle.
Yep, Monday Night I'll be sleeping on the couch one way or another. |
What if we tie 
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Cut-2-Marsh
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| FourThreeMafia wrote: | | Cut-2-Marsh wrote: | | FourThreeMafia wrote: | | Cut-2-Marsh wrote: | | greene91fan wrote: | | Quote: | | I never said that Dooms sacks came against joe |
Really, well you "incinuated" it, wanna see? 
| Quote: | | I hate when people say stuff like "Joe Thomas did good against Jared Allen so Dumervil won't be a problem" then Doom goes out and gets 4 sacks. |
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Like I said I was giving a example.
there were plenty senarios but that is the one that came to my head.
I said Joe Thomas because he's their best lineman and I said Doom because he is our best pass rusher. Maybe I should have said, I hate when people say stuff like "the broncos pass rush won't be a problem because we did well against the vikings.
Either way, it's 2 different times, places and teams. |
You are really digging a hole here, because no one said that either. Yes, he said Starks did well against Jared Allen, but he only brought that up because people said Starks would struggle mightily with him.
And you claim that Harrison and Dumervil are so much different, but youve yet to explain how. Both have great explosion off the edge, both are relentless and when they get going they are hard to stop. Only differences are Harrison is dropped into coverage more and he is stronger while Dumervil is slightly faster. They arent exactly the same player, no, but they arent completely different.
Im not saying Dumervil cant have a big game, but I dont know why you are SEEMINGLY trying to convince Steeler fans that he will. |
Whoa whoa whoa. Where is this coming from? Again, I was giving an example of what a CLE fan said.
As for Doom and James, yes they have alot of similarities but they're not the same person. As for stark and Doom thats a ignorant statement to make. Thats like saying Champ and Goody will win their battles because they go up against WRs with better skillsets every day in practice. Or our dline is going to beat your oline because they go up against a better line everyday in practice.
Please point out to me where I tried to convince anyone Doom would have a big game. I never even said I think Doom would have a sack. Matter of fact, I just praised your oline as the most underrated in the league. |
Well what do Cleveland fans have to do with us and what is being said here? Thats where the confusion is coming from.
Doom and Harrison are two different people? Wow...you just blew my mind! All players are different, but they have alot of similarities which should help Starks prepare better for Doom and Clady prepare better for Harrison.
As far as Starks handling Doom...that is one persons opinion....take it up with him. Not sure why you are holding statements of a Cleveland fan and one Steeler fans against all of us.
I dont know who will win that battle. People said Allen would dominate Starks...didnt happen.
Time will tell. |
You obviously didn't read my original post. It seems to me you walked right into the thread and commented on the last post made, so let me catch you up. A poster said "everyone thought Starks was going to get by Allen, but Max did really good against him." And I said "I hate when people say stuff like that(basically). That comment had nothing to do with the Steelers.
Yes Doom and James are similar in styles but they are not the same player, we don't know whats going to happen on any given monday. Some differences I see in them are: I see Doom as a more finess pass rusher and James as as a power rusher. James kinda uses trickery by faking like he's going to drop into coverage and then comes on a delay, where as Doom you know he coming hard every play tireing his usually overweight opponent in the thin mile high air, this being the reason most of his sacks come in the second half.
I never said starks would'nt handle doom, I've seen Doom handled more than one time this year. It's not like it's an inaccomplishable feat. Starks has the body type to handle Doom, now will that happen?
Will just have to wait and see.
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Steelers vs Broncos Match Ups
| Quote: | | STEELERS DL NICK EASON, CHRIS HOKE AND ZIGGY HOOD VS. BRONCOS RG CHRIS KUPER AND RT TYLER POLUMBUS: Injuries have impacted these respective areas for both teams, what with Polumbus making his first start at right tackle in place of Ryan Harris, and with the Steelers being without Aaron Smith and Travis Kirschke. For the Steelers, those two injuries really have depleted the defensive line to the point where the team’s options are rather limited. As a veteran with the most time at the position, Nick Eason will start at left defensive end, and depending upon how well he plays/holds up in the altitude, the rest of the snaps figure to be divided somehow among Ziggy Hood and maybe Chris Hoke, who also will be used in his usual role as the second nose tackle when Casey Hampton needs a breather. The Steelers really don’t like to throw rookies into the breach unless it’s necessary, and so the recently-returned Sunny Harris probably isn’t seen by them as much of an option. While also a rookie, Hood has been working there in the scheme longer than Harris. Last season, the Steelers went to Jacksonville with three of their top six defensive linemen out with injuries, and they held Fred Taylor and Maurice Jones-Drew to a combined 26 yards on 15 carries. |
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steelcurtain29
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Just got a text alert...
Timmons and Kirschke are ruled as DOUBTFUL
Not good fellas, not good
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SteelProven
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| steelcurtain29 wrote: | Just got a text alert...
Timmons and Kirschke are ruled as DOUBTFUL
Not good fellas, not good |
The isn't a A.P on the Broncos so I really don't worry to much about K. Fox. I think his style of play is made for games like this. Games that will be played around the LOS. Honestly I think this just gives the Steelers a chance to show the rest of the league what kind of depth they have as a team. We all know the Steelers have the best depth of any team in the league. I think this gives the Steelers a chance to see Sunny and Ziggy in extended playing time. This could ultimately be the future when they both take the field on Monday. Because Sunny was actually playing better ball than Ziggy during the pre-season and that's saying a lot, because Ziggy played really well.
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FourThreeMafia
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| Cut-2-Marsh wrote: | | FourThreeMafia wrote: | | Cut-2-Marsh wrote: | | FourThreeMafia wrote: | | Cut-2-Marsh wrote: | | greene91fan wrote: | | Quote: | | I never said that Dooms sacks came against joe |
Really, well you "incinuated" it, wanna see?
| Quote: | | I hate when people say stuff like "Joe Thomas did good against Jared Allen so Dumervil won't be a problem" then Doom goes out and gets 4 sacks. |
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Like I said I was giving a example.
there were plenty senarios but that is the one that came to my head.
I said Joe Thomas because he's their best lineman and I said Doom because he is our best pass rusher. Maybe I should have said, I hate when people say stuff like "the broncos pass rush won't be a problem because we did well against the vikings.
Either way, it's 2 different times, places and teams. |
You are really digging a hole here, because no one said that either. Yes, he said Starks did well against Jared Allen, but he only brought that up because people said Starks would struggle mightily with him.
And you claim that Harrison and Dumervil are so much different, but youve yet to explain how. Both have great explosion off the edge, both are relentless and when they get going they are hard to stop. Only differences are Harrison is dropped into coverage more and he is stronger while Dumervil is slightly faster. They arent exactly the same player, no, but they arent completely different.
Im not saying Dumervil cant have a big game, but I dont know why you are SEEMINGLY trying to convince Steeler fans that he will. |
Whoa whoa whoa. Where is this coming from? Again, I was giving an example of what a CLE fan said.
As for Doom and James, yes they have alot of similarities but they're not the same person. As for stark and Doom thats a ignorant statement to make. Thats like saying Champ and Goody will win their battles because they go up against WRs with better skillsets every day in practice. Or our dline is going to beat your oline because they go up against a better line everyday in practice.
Please point out to me where I tried to convince anyone Doom would have a big game. I never even said I think Doom would have a sack. Matter of fact, I just praised your oline as the most underrated in the league. |
Well what do Cleveland fans have to do with us and what is being said here? Thats where the confusion is coming from.
Doom and Harrison are two different people? Wow...you just blew my mind! All players are different, but they have alot of similarities which should help Starks prepare better for Doom and Clady prepare better for Harrison.
As far as Starks handling Doom...that is one persons opinion....take it up with him. Not sure why you are holding statements of a Cleveland fan and one Steeler fans against all of us.
I dont know who will win that battle. People said Allen would dominate Starks...didnt happen.
Time will tell. |
You obviously didn't read my original post. It seems to me you walked right into the thread and commented on the last post made, so let me catch you up. A poster said "everyone thought Starks was going to get by Allen, but Max did really good against him." And I said "I hate when people say stuff like that(basically). That comment had nothing to do with the Steelers.
Yes Doom and James are similar in styles but they are not the same player, we don't know whats going to happen on any given monday. Some differences I see in them are: I see Doom as a more finess pass rusher and James as as a power rusher. James kinda uses trickery by faking like he's going to drop into coverage and then comes on a delay, where as Doom you know he coming hard every play tireing his usually overweight opponent in the thin mile high air, this being the reason most of his sacks come in the second half.
I never said starks would'nt handle doom, I've seen Doom handled more than one time this year. It's not like it's an inaccomplishable feat. Starks has the body type to handle Doom, now will that happen?
Will just have to wait and see. |
You hate when people say what? The truth? People said Starks would struggle against Allen. He didnt. What is the big deal if someone says it? Seems like you were just wanted to be negative for no reason. Admit that you just got sore because you ASSUMED he meant that Starks will be fine against Dumervil.
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Cut-2-Marsh
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| FourThreeMafia wrote: | | Cut-2-Marsh wrote: | | FourThreeMafia wrote: | | Cut-2-Marsh wrote: | | FourThreeMafia wrote: | | Cut-2-Marsh wrote: | | greene91fan wrote: | | Quote: | | I never said that Dooms sacks came against joe |
Really, well you "incinuated" it, wanna see?
| Quote: | | I hate when people say stuff like "Joe Thomas did good against Jared Allen so Dumervil won't be a problem" then Doom goes out and gets 4 sacks. |
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Like I said I was giving a example.
there were plenty senarios but that is the one that came to my head.
I said Joe Thomas because he's their best lineman and I said Doom because he is our best pass rusher. Maybe I should have said, I hate when people say stuff like "the broncos pass rush won't be a problem because we did well against the vikings.
Either way, it's 2 different times, places and teams. |
You are really digging a hole here, because no one said that either. Yes, he said Starks did well against Jared Allen, but he only brought that up because people said Starks would struggle mightily with him.
And you claim that Harrison and Dumervil are so much different, but youve yet to explain how. Both have great explosion off the edge, both are relentless and when they get going they are hard to stop. Only differences are Harrison is dropped into coverage more and he is stronger while Dumervil is slightly faster. They arent exactly the same player, no, but they arent completely different.
Im not saying Dumervil cant have a big game, but I dont know why you are SEEMINGLY trying to convince Steeler fans that he will. |
Whoa whoa whoa. Where is this coming from? Again, I was giving an example of what a CLE fan said.
As for Doom and James, yes they have alot of similarities but they're not the same person. As for stark and Doom thats a ignorant statement to make. Thats like saying Champ and Goody will win their battles because they go up against WRs with better skillsets every day in practice. Or our dline is going to beat your oline because they go up against a better line everyday in practice.
Please point out to me where I tried to convince anyone Doom would have a big game. I never even said I think Doom would have a sack. Matter of fact, I just praised your oline as the most underrated in the league. |
Well what do Cleveland fans have to do with us and what is being said here? Thats where the confusion is coming from.
Doom and Harrison are two different people? Wow...you just blew my mind! All players are different, but they have alot of similarities which should help Starks prepare better for Doom and Clady prepare better for Harrison.
As far as Starks handling Doom...that is one persons opinion....take it up with him. Not sure why you are holding statements of a Cleveland fan and one Steeler fans against all of us.
I dont know who will win that battle. People said Allen would dominate Starks...didnt happen.
Time will tell. |
You obviously didn't read my original post. It seems to me you walked right into the thread and commented on the last post made, so let me catch you up. A poster said "everyone thought Starks was going to get by Allen, but Max did really good against him." And I said "I hate when people say stuff like that(basically). That comment had nothing to do with the Steelers.
Yes Doom and James are similar in styles but they are not the same player, we don't know whats going to happen on any given monday. Some differences I see in them are: I see Doom as a more finess pass rusher and James as as a power rusher. James kinda uses trickery by faking like he's going to drop into coverage and then comes on a delay, where as Doom you know he coming hard every play tireing his usually overweight opponent in the thin mile high air, this being the reason most of his sacks come in the second half.
I never said starks would'nt handle doom, I've seen Doom handled more than one time this year. It's not like it's an inaccomplishable feat. Starks has the body type to handle Doom, now will that happen?
Will just have to wait and see. |
You hate when people say what? The truth? People said Starks would struggle against Allen. He didnt. What is the big deal if someone says it? Seems like you were just wanted to be negative for no reason. Admit that you just got sore because you ASSUMED he meant that Starks will be fine against Dumervil. |
What the hell are you talking about? How was I being negative by agreeing with what he said.?
Let me break it down for you, because you are trying to make it seem like I came in here and made a negative comment, but I didn't.
He said, people said he would get killed by Allen but he didn't. Then I said, I hate when people make comments like that. Where's the harm in what I just said?
I am done posting on this argument, because what was meant to be a simple statement has turned into someone with too big of a ego to admit that he misinterpreted what was said.
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Damn were you made in China or are you just plain fragile..?
Its just an argument no need to go binge eating on cookies and crying in the corner.
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bbelan2343
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Awesome read, as always Fury. Your opinion of Andra Davis had me cracking up man.
Our opinions on defensive match ups and strategies are very similar. I do want your opinion on two things..
1. How do we attack the Broncos shotgun sets?
2. Will Ike shadow Brandon Marshall?
Offensively..
| StillersFury wrote: | | The Broncos strength on defense is speed quickness rallying to the ball as a unit…Power formations force undersized players into the box…Out of space where the quickness advantage is eliminated…I don’t expect Cowher ball…I do expect a ton of power run game out of jumbo sets. |
Completely agree with this.
Arians and Tomlin drew up a smart and well planned gameplan for running the ball against the Vikings. Slight delays, counters and attacking their over containing defensive ends. They did a great job of turning the weakness on film to the game plan we used that Sunday.
I think the two will draw up another gameplan to make sure we run the ball against the Broncos. I don't see them coming soft against Denver. Ton of double TE, lone setback with Mendenhall pounding the ball up to 25+ times. When we're passing the ball it's more off play action then we have seen recently. I think Ben will be relied on to hit his checkdowns more consistently then he has the past few weeks. He'll still extend plays and take his shots, they'll be there. Tomlin always comes out big on primetime games, I think he'll want to control the manner and aggression the entire game. Controlling the clock and field position.
That's if everything goes the way it should. Skill positions and Ben have to protect the ball. Like any other game, turnovers and field position are going to be pivotal. Denver is a fast roaming defense with quality depth. If we don't don't come out crisp and playing well they're going to take advantage of the opportunity. The game could come down to who capitalizes on turnovers and red zone opportunities..
Most interesting Match up: Heath Miller, Matt Spaeth vs DJ Williams, Andra Davis
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Predictions:
Big Ben: 16/23 - 266 yards - 2 TDs
Mendenhall: 23 carries - 112 yards - 1 TD
Wallace: 3 rec - 67 yards - 1 TDs
Heath: 7 rec - 84 yards - 1 TDs
Steelers 30
Broncos 13
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FourThreeMafia
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| bbelan2343 wrote: | Predictions:
Big Ben: 16/23 - 266 yards - 2 TDs
Mendenhall: 23 carries - 112 yards - 1 TD
Wallace: 3 rec - 67 yards - 1 TDs
Heath: 7 rec - 84 yards - 1 TDs
Steelers 30
Broncos 13 |
I cant see Ben throwing that little unless we get up big, early in the game or if the running game is really clicking.
Judging by that, it seems like you expect us to hit a big play or two.
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