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21BoltSalute


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

charger-man wrote:
incognito_man wrote:
Thanks for the reply.

Am I crazy, or did Merriman used to play LOLB? In your scheme (I'm not that familiar with it) but are the key differences between your ROLB and LOLB.

I'm just wondering how good of a fit Merriman might be at LOLB for Green Bay since Matthews is a much better ROLB fit than LOLB fit for us.


In our scheme, ROLB and LOLB is inconsequential. Because both Phillips and Merriman are pass rush specialists, they pretty much line up as d-lineman most of the time. For some reason, Rivera doesn't like to move Merriman around in order to exploit a good matchup.


I respectfully disagree with you in that either Phillips or Merriman are just pass rushing specialists. It's true that Merriman has been used almost exclusively as a pass rusher this season, but that hasn't been the case over the rest of his career. And, over the past couple games, the coaching staff has shown more confidence in him being able to backpedal, whereas he was either taken out during those downs or rushed the passer. If healthy, we should expect him to drop back into coverage as often as any other ROLB in the league.

The same goes with Phillips. Even though he tends to cover shorter zones than some of our other LBs, he's not a liability by any means, nor does he always play blitzing or with his hand down. In fact, the only time that our OLBs will generally put their hands down and play DE is on 3rd-and-long. Outside of that, it's very rare for them to actually play DE. There's been a lot of rumor mongering out there about how 3-4 OLBs - particularly those on the Chargers - are used, yet the film doesn't support some of the widely-accepted beliefs. The idea that Merriman used to be a LOLB has been floated around before, but was easily proven wrong, making me think that whoever started it was only watching a handful of plays or one particular drive. The fact of the matter is that both our LOLB and ROLB have to be versatile players in our 3-4 defense.

I'm sure that Merriman would make a fine LOLB, but there's a few things to consider about the move: (1) he might consider playing Shaun "the other guy" Phillips' position a downgrade, and wouldn't accept a team where he would be playing second fiddle to someone else, (2) the odds that either the union or the owners give into the other side's demands before the CBA expires in Feb/March 2011 are essentially zero, so those players you listed are a virtual lock to be RFAs, which (3) will mean that it will take a bare minimum of a 1st and 3rd round pick in 2010 [equivalent to the highest RFA tender] to lure Merriman away, regardless of what type of one-year tender he is given in 2010, (4) depending on what he shows the rest of the season, Merriman's value to the team may increase or decrease, (5) like with Merriman this year, English has yet to show much more than a flash here and there, so talks that he is Merriman's replacement are very premature, (6) a couple years from now Shaun Phillips will be 30+ years old and looking for a lucrative third contract, at which point Larry English will be a cheaper, younger, experienced option
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boltstrikes wrote:
Absent a CBA he will be a RFA next year with us. Perfect situation for us.


True, since he has under 6 years in the NFL. I know GB has a LOT of guys that fulfill this too. But, you gotta think there will be a late signing on the CBA, the Union is going to be pressured by these young, talented guys wanting the UFA status.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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True, since he has under 6 years in the NFL. I know GB has a LOT of guys that fulfill this too. But, you gotta think there will be a late signing on the CBA, the Union is going to be pressured by these young, talented guys wanting the UFA status.


Why would the Union agree to the continuation of one-year tenders (RFA, franchise, transition, all of which benefit the owners and would certainly be included in a new CBA should the players give in a year early) and give up a significant chunk of the revenue pie - among other gains in the last two CBA negotiations - so a small group of players can reach UFA status one year sooner?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

21BoltSalute wrote:
incognito_man wrote:
True, since he has under 6 years in the NFL. I know GB has a LOT of guys that fulfill this too. But, you gotta think there will be a late signing on the CBA, the Union is going to be pressured by these young, talented guys wanting the UFA status.


Why would the Union agree to the continuation of one-year tenders (RFA, franchise, transition, all of which benefit the owners and would certainly be included in a new CBA should the players give in a year early) and give up a significant chunk of the revenue pie - among other gains in the last two CBA negotiations - so a small group of players can reach UFA status one year sooner?


There was an article posted earlier this week illustrating the desperation of the Union at this point; trying to set a false deadline for negotiations. It appears the league is certainly in the driver's seat at this point. The Union has to realize (with the lack of contract extensions so far this year) the owners are planning to use an uncapped year to dump crappy contracts and NOT go on a crazy spending spree like players are hoping for.

I think the Union eventually submits to some of the league desires and a CBA is agreed on preventing an uncapped year.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm assuming that you're referring to the pair of Florio articles that analyze De Smith's comments, so please correct me if I'm wrong.

I don't agree with parts of his analysis, though. The evidence that less teams are spending at the per-team limit doesn't provide any context - how far are teams under the cap, does this include the LTBE loophole, or any reasoning to explain that discrepency. The 2010 offseason isn't going to be a spending spree because there are restrictions put into place, and have been in place since 2006, that prevent teams from being able to take advantage of the uncapped year. This includes the 30% Rule, the Final Eight Plan, the change in the availability of tenders, and the allocation of guaranteed monies during uncapped years to capped years. There is even a restriction in the CBA - agreed upon by the owners and the Union - that allows the owners to opt out of two capped seasons, which they exercised.

Even though the players may have been ignorant to the workings of the CBA they have been playing under doesn't mean that the Union or the owners are as well. Florio spun the "lock-in" proposal to be the result of players putting pressure on the Union. But, if the Union was really that desperate, then why has the league (owners, really) rejected their proposal to negotiate a new CBA a year earlier than necessary? That tells me that the owners don't view January 2010 negotiations as a white flag, but instead as a tactical move in favor of the Union. The owners are much, much better prepared for a 2011 lockout than the players, and both sides know this. The rejection of negotiations now tells me that the owners think that they can get a better deal in 2011 before the drop-dead date than they can get now... which, if that's the case, doesn't signal to me that the Union is as desperate as Florio claims.

There is a big X-factor in here, though, that could change everything. The lawsuit against the NFL that is being allowed to go to the Supreme Court could change the negotiating power of the owners. But, if that were more than a low-risk, high-reward gamble by the NFL, I would think that Florio would have mentioned it in his analysis


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think one will be reached but it will be following the 2010 uncapped year. I think the owners are looking at a uncapped year like someone mentioned to fix some of the disparities in the cap rules and then come back with a hard rookie cap.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's what a guy from our forum said:


Waldo wrote:
Wow, the NFLPA, after digging in and setting up fortifications for months (years), essentially just offered the owners their surrender, the terms to be negotiated.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/11/02/league-rejects-lock-in-bargaining-proposal/

I'm sure that I'm not the only one that has noticed the curious lack of contract extensions this season. Apparently the union has too, and they are sweating bullets over it.

Remember, unlike the teamsters, etc..., NFL players constantly have microphones in front of their faces, are at times very emotional, and some of them are big time idiots. If they aren't on the same page as union leadership, that is BAD at the negotiating table.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

incognito_man wrote:
Here's what a guy from our forum said:


Waldo wrote:
Wow, the NFLPA, after digging in and setting up fortifications for months (years), essentially just offered the owners their surrender, the terms to be negotiated.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/11/02/league-rejects-lock-in-bargaining-proposal/

I'm sure that I'm not the only one that has noticed the curious lack of contract extensions this season. Apparently the union has too, and they are sweating bullets over it.

Remember, unlike the teamsters, etc..., NFL players constantly have microphones in front of their faces, are at times very emotional, and some of them are big time idiots. If they aren't on the same page as union leadership, that is BAD at the negotiating table.


^ agreed with Waldo. It would seem like it was a surrender by the Union. But, if that were the case, I find it hard to believe that the proposal was rejected unless the owners felt that they would be in a better position. If there is the possibility of a mutiny within the Union... if I was an owner, I would want to wait until that is a reality. It can't hurt as [my] position would only strengthen going into 2011, and beyond if that is required.
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