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Nabbs4u
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| JaguarCrazy2832 wrote: | | They have to be the scariest team, but that doesnt mean they are going to win the SB |
Come on JC haven't you been reading this whole thread we're 7 games into the season where #1 seeds, NFCCG and SB's have already been deceided. Surely nothing over the next 10 weeks (injuries,opponetts,other teams getting hot) can change those predictions!!  It's not as though the Saints, Vikings or Colts can't also be the next
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BigEasy504
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| jt21 wrote: | | DWillyMVP wrote: |
Every team is trying to pass with New Orleans. Atlanta should not have tried to put Matt Ryan (42 attempts) in a shootout with the Saints.
Don't worry though. DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart will put New Orleans to rest this week. |
Yea I don't really get that. Turner was averaging something like 9 yards a carry in the first half and 7+ in the 2nd, yet he only got 20 carries. And the Falcons were in the game too. Maybe it was because the short quick passing game was working early that they continued to throw, but I still don't see why they didn't pound Turner more, especially when the game was pretty close most of the time. No reason for Matt Ryan to throw it 40 times, even with the comeback attempt.
The Dolphins were running the ball very well too and threw the ball a lot more than I would have expected and that I thought they should've but who knows. Maybe teams are just trying to stay balanced. I think Carolina is a big opponent this week with the way they run the ball and the fact that they've beaten the Saints 4 or 5 straight. Jake Delhomme always seems to play well against the Saints, no matter how bad he looks against other teams. |
Not sure if you actually saw the Dolphins game, but outside of that one big play we gave up to Ricky Williams we pretty much shut down the Dolphins run game. Williams rushed for 80 yards, 64 came on that big run.
And if your team is down by 11 points with less than 5:30 to play, passing is really the only option. You can't risk wasting time by running the ball and picking up 3 yard gains. The Falcons had also burned most of their timeouts by that time. You need to drive down field with the passing attack, and try to get the ball out of bounds when possible. It doesn't make any sense to run the ball in that situation unless you're actually expecting Turner to make another big run play on the ground.
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BigEasy504
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Nabbs4u wrote: | | JaguarCrazy2832 wrote: | | They have to be the scariest team, but that doesnt mean they are going to win the SB |
Come on JC haven't you been reading this whole thread we're 7 games into the season where #1 seeds, NFCCG and SB's have already been deceided. Surely nothing over the next 10 weeks (injuries,opponetts,other teams getting hot) can change those predictions!! It's not as though the Saints, Vikings or Colts can't also be the next
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98' Vikings
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Nobody in this thread has stated that we're locks to win the Superbowl.
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Yfz01
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I'm not so sure there is any one team that is far and away the best right now. I am very interested in seeing the Pats vs Saints game in a few weeks. That will help determine where I think the Saints are.
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Houston_texan9
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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I think that the Saints, Colts, and Viks are the scariest teams.
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DWillyMVP
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| BigEasy504 wrote: | | DWillyMVP wrote: | | BlaqOptic wrote: | They don't scare me. I think they're a good team firing on all cylinders and are cleaning house(though their last two games were closer than the final score indicates) and all but the teams that scare me the most are the Broncos and Patriots. I have one of these two teams winning the Super Bowl.
The reason they don't scare me is becaue they remind me of the 2005 Bengals. If you try and play their game they'll beat you. |
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Every team is trying to pass with New Orleans. Atlanta should not have tried to put Matt Ryan (42 attempts) in a shootout with the Saints.
Don't worry though. DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart will put New Orleans to rest this week. |
I'll say it again, we've forced all our opponents into situations where they've had to pass the ball. These coaches aren't stupid, they know that running the ball is the best way to beat the Saints, but when you go down by two scores late in the 2nd half you don't have much of a choice, especially when playing a run defense ranked in the top 5. |
If you are running the ball early which would probably be controlling the clock, I doubt the opposing team would have enough time to be up two scores by the second quarter even reached. That isn't what you said, but if you can run the ball and take time off the clock, you have a much better chance to win rather than beginning the game off trying to pass.
As Blaq said, Saints will win as long as teams continue to play their game. I think New Orleans probably will beat us this week, but I honestly feel like Carolina will be much harder than most people on this site think. They run the ball as good, if not better than any other team in the league and when dedicated to it can have some seriously long drives. In the Arizona game we took eight minutes off the clock in the first quarter while finishing it off with a touchdown. If we can do the same thing this week, its gonna be a huge indicator on how the rest of the game plays out.
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Braylon4MVP
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Yes. The Dolphins would have beaten the Saints last week if they didn't resort to the passing game when it was completely unnecessary. If they stuck to their run game with Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams in the 4th quarter they would have won.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Braylon4MVP wrote: | | Yes. The Dolphins would have beaten the Saints last week if they didn't resort to the passing game when it was completely unnecessary. If they stuck to their run game with Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams in the 4th quarter they would have won. |
They averaged 2.45 yards per carry outside of Williams' early 68 yard TD run. Their running game wasn't effective.
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Dare I say it ? It's apparent to me that Peyton Manning has become........*drumroll*.......... overrated! on this forum. My god. I like the guy, he's incredible, but seriously ? In a thread that asks who is scarier than the 7-0 Saints who average 40 points on offense, can beat you with the pass, the run, or on special teams and get constant turnovers on defense.. people are saying the Colts are scarier. Not because of their team, but because of Peyton Manning. What ? People are even going as far as to just post a picture of Manning. You would think the dude has won the last 6 Superbowls, gone undefeated six times in a row, and thown 75 TDs per season. The Saints have actually beaten good teams. The Colts struggled against the 49ers and beat up on the Rams, Seahawks, and Titans..
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BigEasy504
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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| THRILLHO wrote: | | Braylon4MVP wrote: | | Yes. The Dolphins would have beaten the Saints last week if they didn't resort to the passing game when it was completely unnecessary. If they stuck to their run game with Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams in the 4th quarter they would have won. |
They averaged 2.45 yards per carry outside of Williams' early 68 yard TD run. Their running game wasn't effective. |
I'm beginning to wonder if the people saying that even saw the game. It's already been mentioned 50 times how ineffective there run game had become.
And the passing attack was actually doing pretty good, up until Williams and Genn started dropping passes.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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| xmike609x wrote: | | Dare I say it ? It's apparent to me that Peyton Manning has become........*drumroll*.......... overrated! on this forum. My god. I like the guy, he's incredible, but seriously ? In a thread that asks who is scarier than the 7-0 Saints who average 40 points on offense, can beat you with the pass, the run, or on special teams and get constant turnovers on defense.. people are saying the Colts are scarier. Not because of their team, but because of Peyton Manning. What ? People are even going as far as to just post a picture of Manning. You would think the dude has won the last 6 Superbowls, gone undefeated six times in a row, and thown 75 TDs per season. The Saints have actually beaten good teams. The Colts struggled against the 49ers and beat up on the Rams, Seahawks, and Titans.. |
Thing is though, Peyton Manning might be having his best season of his career, that right there is just crazy. I wasn't just posting a picture of peyton manning for the hell of it either, the expression on his face was kind of my point like "really?". You can never count out a team led by peyton manning, ever.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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| xmike609x wrote: | | Dare I say it ? It's apparent to me that Peyton Manning has become........*drumroll*.......... overrated! on this forum. My god. I like the guy, he's incredible, but seriously ? In a thread that asks who is scarier than the 7-0 Saints who average 40 points on offense, can beat you with the pass, the run, or on special teams and get constant turnovers on defense.. people are saying the Colts are scarier. Not because of their team, but because of Peyton Manning. What ? People are even going as far as to just post a picture of Manning. You would think the dude has won the last 6 Superbowls, gone undefeated six times in a row, and thown 75 TDs per season. The Saints have actually beaten good teams. The Colts struggled against the 49ers and beat up on the Rams, Seahawks, and Titans.. |
Wait... what good teams have the Saints beaten? Three weeks ago the Giants were a good team. They certainly aren't now, so they're not a good team. They beat a McNabb-less Eagles as well. The only "elite" team in the league this year to beat any actual competition is the Broncos.
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xmike609x
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| BlaqOptic wrote: | | xmike609x wrote: | | Dare I say it ? It's apparent to me that Peyton Manning has become........*drumroll*.......... overrated! on this forum. My god. I like the guy, he's incredible, but seriously ? In a thread that asks who is scarier than the 7-0 Saints who average 40 points on offense, can beat you with the pass, the run, or on special teams and get constant turnovers on defense.. people are saying the Colts are scarier. Not because of their team, but because of Peyton Manning. What ? People are even going as far as to just post a picture of Manning. You would think the dude has won the last 6 Superbowls, gone undefeated six times in a row, and thown 75 TDs per season. The Saints have actually beaten good teams. The Colts struggled against the 49ers and beat up on the Rams, Seahawks, and Titans.. |
Wait... what good teams have the Saints beaten? Three weeks ago the Giants were a good team. They certainly aren't now, so they're not a good team. They beat a McNabb-less Eagles as well. The only "elite" team in the league this year to beat any actual competition is the Broncos. |
The Jets and the Giants were both undefeated prior to playing New Orleans and both teams had their first bad games against the Saints. Plus Atlanta is a pretty good team.
Colts Opponents: 17-33
Saints Opponents: 25-27
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| xmike609x wrote: | | BlaqOptic wrote: | | xmike609x wrote: | | Dare I say it ? It's apparent to me that Peyton Manning has become........*drumroll*.......... overrated! on this forum. My god. I like the guy, he's incredible, but seriously ? In a thread that asks who is scarier than the 7-0 Saints who average 40 points on offense, can beat you with the pass, the run, or on special teams and get constant turnovers on defense.. people are saying the Colts are scarier. Not because of their team, but because of Peyton Manning. What ? People are even going as far as to just post a picture of Manning. You would think the dude has won the last 6 Superbowls, gone undefeated six times in a row, and thown 75 TDs per season. The Saints have actually beaten good teams. The Colts struggled against the 49ers and beat up on the Rams, Seahawks, and Titans.. |
Wait... what good teams have the Saints beaten? Three weeks ago the Giants were a good team. They certainly aren't now, so they're not a good team. They beat a McNabb-less Eagles as well. The only "elite" team in the league this year to beat any actual competition is the Broncos. |
The Jets and the Giants were both undefeated prior to playing New Orleans and both teams had their first bad games against the Saints. Plus Atlanta is a pretty good team.
Colts Opponents: 17-33
Saints Opponents: 25-27 |
If you want to argue about strength of schedule how can you put the giants up as some huge win for the saints, especially when it was at home. Second of all the colts finally got their emotional leader back on D in bob sanders. He might not put up huge stats and is pretty injury prone but when he is out there that defense is on a different level. Also once donald brown starts getting more carries and Manning gets even more in sync with guys like Garcon and Collie, not to mention Gonzalez back....look out. What injuries have the saints had to deal with so far? Yeh they don't have sedrick ellis but that is just not come up. I think we will see who the better team is after both of them get their shots at new england.
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Roboturner913
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| BlaqOptic wrote: |
Wait... what good teams have the Saints beaten? Three weeks ago the Giants were a good team. They certainly aren't now, so they're not a good team. They beat a McNabb-less Eagles as well. The only "elite" team in the league this year to beat any actual competition is the Broncos. |
I like how every team the Saints play is super magically fantastically good until AFTER the Saints beat them. Then it's like "oh they were never that good."
Hopefully sometime this year they'll play some "actual competition" but more likely, that team will just be "not that good" after they get beat, too. |
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