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Mesa_Titan

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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:47 pm Post subject:

BlaqOptic wrote:

I guess Titans fans need something to cheer for so I wont rib you for putting CJ as superior to AD cuz he's not...

1.) Adrian Peterson

3.) Steven Jackson
4.) Maurice Jones-Drew
5.) Chris Johnson
6.) Frank Gore

Yes... you read that right. The gap between AD and everyone else is pretty darn big.

Yep, even though CJ has more yards with one less game played and has him beat in YPC by over 2 yards...

Yep, you read that right, CJ has AP beat in every statistical category other than touchdowns, but he's far and away better than CJ. Laughing

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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:48 pm Post subject:

Mesa_Titan wrote:

BlaqOptic wrote:

Adrian Peterson is still better than Chris Johnson.

He's more consistent and more than likely will get the first down for you on 3rd and 2 in which Chris Johnson will probably lose about one or two yards.
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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:55 pm Post subject:

DWillyMVP wrote:

He's more consistent and more than likely will get the first down for you on 3rd and 2 in which Chris Johnson will probably lose about one or two yards.

Averaging 17 yards per carry on 3rd downs. Razz

I don't understand why people assume he's awful in short yardage situations...
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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:08 pm Post subject:

Double Agent wrote:

DWillyMVP wrote:

He's more consistent and more than likely will get the first down for you on 3rd and 2 in which Chris Johnson will probably lose about one or two yards.

Averaging 17 yards per carry on 3rd downs. Razz

I don't understand why people assume he's awful in short yardage situations...

I can't find his stats on 3rd down and 5 (or less) but I did find this.

Within his opponents 49-20 yard line, he averages 2.5 YPC. (60 yards)
Within his opponents 19-1 yard line, he averages 0.5. (2 yards)

You can use the "he doesn't have enough room for a high YPC" argument for the last one, which I still don't find that good when he should at least be in the high 2's, but the first one is pretty bad. I used it because it shows his ability with more people in the box. Actually, from those spots he only has 62 yards. Comparing that to AD..

Within his opponents 49-20 yard line, he averages 5.9 YPC. (240 yards)
Within his opponents 19-1 yard line, he averages 1.8. (58 yards)

He's still a very good back despite that, but what I said will still stand. If I had to bet on who'd get my touchdown on the goal line up the gut in the Super Bowl in the final second between AD and CJ, its gonna be AD all day.
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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:56 pm Post subject:

DWillyMVP wrote:

He's still a very good back despite that, but what I said will still stand. If I had to bet on who'd get my touchdown on the goal line up the gut in the Super Bowl in the final second between AD and CJ, its gonna be AD all day.

Absolutely, no doubt about it. I'm not at all saying CJ is better than AD, because he's not. Just saying CJ's not this awful short yardage back that people seem to think of him as.

CJ's only had four carries inside the 20, so you can't really judge those numbers. Last year he was fine inside the red zone. And I'm not really sure what runs between the 49-20 have to do with short yardage?
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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:03 pm Post subject:

Faulk28SJaX39 wrote:

Nabbs4u wrote:

#1 AP
#2 Steven Jackson

#3 MJD
#4 Chris Johnson
#5 Frank Gore

Although I agree with BlaqOptic when he said

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Yes... you read that right. The gap between AD and everyone else is pretty darn big

I have to add Jackson to that as well. If he played on any other team not named the Rams, Lions , Browns or Raiders he would be 1st team all pro every year. Jackson unlike AP "right now" is a complete RB when you consider Blocking , Running and Receiving. The Only reason he isn't #1 or 1b is because AP is that scary and dangerous as a Runner. No offense to the fans of teams named above. Wink

exactly thats why I have Jackson as 1a and Peterson as 1b.

I'm a huge Jackson supporter. I've had him as my #2 back for the past two years because I know what he's capable of, I knew his lack of production was solely because of the Rams ineptitude. But, even with that, I know Peterson is the better back. It's not 1a and 1b.
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SuppaMan

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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 1:41 am Post subject:

Honestly anything other than Jackson at one is ridiculous. He basically lines up against basically 8+ man fronts ALL game.

Now I know Peterson is about as big, hits as hard or harder and is faster, and same goes for other guys, but honestly what Jackson is doing this season is quite a feat. Just because another guy may have more TD's, more big plays, or has better talent doesn't mean they are actually playing better this season. Put a lot of the top running backs in his spot on that team and I guarantee they average under 4 yards a carry and have next to zero TD's.
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 1:50 am Post subject:

SuppaMan wrote:

Peterson has been facing 8 man fronts all of his career and still puts up 10+ TD seasons.

Anyone other than Peterson at no 1 is rediculous.

SuppaMan

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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 2:04 am Post subject:

vikingsrule wrote:

SuppaMan wrote:

Peterson has been facing 8 man fronts all of his career and still puts up 10+ TD seasons.

Anyone other than Peterson at no 1 is rediculous.

The thread's about this season you genius homer. And it's spelled ridiculous.

And Peterson does not routinely face 8+ man fronts this year, has an insanely better offensive line and overall talent surrounding him on offense period than Jackson does. It's not even close.

Jackson is playing his - of this year, look at the yards he's gained after first contact already through 8 weeks of the season.
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 2:24 am Post subject:

SuppaMan wrote:

vikingsrule wrote:

SuppaMan wrote:

Peterson has been facing 8 man fronts all of his career and still puts up 10+ TD seasons.

Anyone other than Peterson at no 1 is rediculous.

How can you criticize someone for spelling "ridiculous" wrong and then start off two sentences with "And" ?
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 2:29 am Post subject:

SuppaMan wrote:

vikingsrule wrote:

SuppaMan wrote:

Peterson has been facing 8 man fronts all of his career and still puts up 10+ TD seasons.

Anyone other than Peterson at no 1 is rediculous.

It's spelled "off".
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