Mark Sanchez - halfway through the rookie season.

jetsfreak610 · Joined: 21 Dec 2007 Posts: 1577 Location: Bristol

Obviously..

Now is there any debate as to whether these two are identical..I THINK NOT
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jetsfan4life51 · Joined: 12 Jan 2006 Posts: 18946 Location: Pewter City

For the forum's sake I wish we moved up to #6.
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Rich Kotite · Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 1630

I completely agree - I've always felt that there were better options in the future - even if that means sticking with Clemens or another QB who has some knowledge of our system for a year (Ainge/free agent).

Sanchez can still be a dependable QB in the league - because the learning curve for Sanchez is higher than the learning curve for some of the other recent QBs, it seems unreasonable to expect that this season, or even within the next two-three seasons, that we will be a consistent double-digit win team.

There are a lot of good arms in the next two years - Clausen, Bradford (assuming shoulder is okay), Mallett, Riley, Devlin, Snead, Locker, Stanzi, McCoy, Robinson (Oklahoma St.), Hall, Tebow, and Pike are all pretty good QBs in their own right, and a lot of them appear to be more mature than Sanchez (Devlin transferred from Penn St. to Delaware, Mallett - UM to Arkansas, most others are at least two year starters), so they have had game experience to draw back on, and some of them have had to deal with negatives along the way. Someone that hasn't had negative experiences can break down once he gets to the highest level of competition. Players that have dealt with negative circumstances are more likely to cope with and know what it takes to be a good QB, keeping emotions in check during high and low points, while still being a leader.

Unfortunately, as you know my opinion on the situation, I think the combination of who we selected and where we selected him was not so great. If we had stayed where we were at, and taken Sanchez at #17, I'd have no problems. I know there were other teams interested in trading up for him, even the Jets moving up into the 8-15 range wouldn't be bad, but I didn't think that Sanchez was the "franchise" type QB that everyone is anointing him to be, and shouldn't have been picked at #5. Only time will tell, though...

Davey · Joined: 28 Jan 2006 Posts: 12201 Location: New Jersey

If you really think the Jets would have had a better chance of getting a franchise QB in this upcoming draft than what they got in Mark this past year than I really don't know what to say. Clausen is putting together only his first good year now and probably has the best supporting cast in the nation and huge questions in terms of pocket presence, Locker is much the same way in that he's only starting to show strides now and is still inconsistent despite his unrivaled physical gifts, Ryan Mallett is even more inexperienced than Sanchez was coming out at this point and without a doubt needs to stay in school just as the previous two do, and Bradford while the best in my opinion is going to be coming off a shoulder injury. Not to mention, if Mark had returned to USC for his senior year there would have been no question who the top QB prospect would have been anyway. Mark was a franchise QB who simply came out earlier than some people thought he should as returning would have meant a possible national championship and #1 pick money. I would hate to be a QB needy team heading into this draft.

Mark Sanchez is a franchise QB. The only big question he had coming out of the draft was his lack of experience and he's made up for that lack of game experience with his impressive understanding of pro style offenses and it's shown in how much he's been able to handle on the field so early as a rookie. You could have sat him behind Kellen, but if he's just as good if not better to begin with and you have the supporting cast to let him effectively grow on the field you let him. You can be safe and let a QB hold the clipboard early, but as Joe Flacco and Matt Ryan can certainly attest if you've got a solid situation built around you and you're not asked to carry a team out of the gates the experience you'll gain from learning on the field immediately is invaluable. Especially in this case with Mark, it may seem risky but if you have a QB knocked for experience the best thing would be to get him experience so long as you give him a comfort zone within the offense and don't ask him to be the main source of offense(the fact that he's been that guy for a few of the Jets games thus far either way makes it all the more impressive).
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Darrelle Revis · Joined: 17 Jan 2009 Posts: 1342

Why do people care how we acts on the sidelines?

I just want him to win. It's nice that he gets excited when he throws TD's because he's enjoying the game, but I really don't give a crap about how he acts on the sidelines.

Sanchez just has to play well enough to win, and he's done that so far.

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Harris Smith · Joined: 07 Dec 2008 Posts: 326 Location: Totowa, NJ

A huge part of the equation I think you guys aren't focusing on is the Jets are starting this year with a new coaching regime. If the Jets had their doubts on the upside of Clemens (which clearly they did) and failed to draft or sign a new QB this year, they could be faced with the prospect of a failed first season for Ryan with next season's potential success being in question.

Coaches who fail to win in two years in the NFL are on the hotseat, especially in NY. Can you imagine after two years of foaming at the mouth what the public's opinion of Rex Ryan would be if the Jets didn't make playoffs in either season?

I'm not necesarilly convinced that Sanchez was really the better overall option at QB over Clemens at the time the decision was made, but I think the coaches felt good enough about him that they didn't want to postpone the inevitable. I'm sure they also knew that drafting and playing Sanchez meant that this season would not be about this year. I think the FO made a consious decision to secure the QB and head coaching positions this year, in preparation to make a run for a championship within the next few.

nyjvilma51 · Joined: 26 Feb 2006 Posts: 992 Location: Rocking

he plays with a child like enthusiasm
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Robbie Epic · Joined: 18 Feb 2008 Posts: 2469

Alright. It's time for my long-awaited opinion on Mark Sanchez.

My official stance: Cautiously optimistic.

He looks a little more like Tony Romo than I would like to admit. He moves around well and can make the throw on the run which is a valuable asset. I don't understand why we don't bootleg him to the outside near the goal line, the added threat of him running outside of containment would free up a lot of options.

But I don't like Tony Romo. I don't think he is very good, and this is where Mark needs to make some changes in his game. On both completed passes and incomplete passes he can be inaccurate. Hitting receivers in the right spot is important to maximize their production on any given play. Like Romo, Sanchez can hit the area of the WR, almost anywhere on the field, but doesn't necessarily put these players in the position to succeed.

He throws a really bad screen pass. It needs more zip. Leon didn't do what he usually does for YAC on his quick catches. That's because Mark lobs it on the screen instead of zipping it out there. This is something that needs work, but I think can be easily fixed.

As ridiculous as it sounds, I am concerned with that demeanor on the sideline. When a game isn't going well he gets mopey. It's a lack of maturity issue and I think that's what Carroll was most concerned with on his early departure. Sanchez needs to start behaving with some resilience. When I see a Sanchez pouty on the sideline, I see a loser. Someone who has already gotten so negative that he is unable to rescue his team. Leaders don't pout. Period.

Originally what I saw from him was a problem to look off the underzone. He's gotten much better at that, and I'm impressed that he's been able to shake that off so quickly.

He's been throwing passes away, which is better than throwing them into coverage. With experience his judgment will get better in this area. He'll throw passes into areas where only his guy can get him.

He's got a good arm, great ability, a terrifically accurate deep ball and good work ethic. If he could have finished that come back against the Dolphins I think we'd be having a different conversation, but the fact is he didn't. I don't think we'll be seeing the best of Sanchez for a couple of years, but if he continues to improve I'll be satisfied because he has great physical tools and intangibles. The concern I have most is his fine accuracy. He has, what I call, gross accuracy. He'll get the ball in the area of the receiver, but fail to make the "perfect throw". He has to lead his WR not just throw it around their body. Hit a WR on his outside shoulder. Throw away from the DB. Zip it to the RB a step in front. Everything in his game could use a once over with polish, but as a starting point he has shown a lot of things that you have to admire.

I think the Jets have there guy, but it'll be a few years before he looks that way for sure.

Davey · Joined: 28 Jan 2006 Posts: 12201 Location: New Jersey

Sounds about right, Robbie Epic. He was an accurate passer in college and showed a strong arm, I think he's just still adjusting to the NFL speed and it's throwing him off with such things. Some throws he lollipops a bit more than he should. I think it's all about just the general rhythm of the offense.

As for the demeanor, I'm not really sure how much I want to take it into account. There's a lot of assumptions that go into simply what a player looks like on the sidelines. Even if he is "pouty", he's also the youngest starting QB in the league. Once he's blossomed and in his peak years, I doubt we're still going to see a 27 year old man pouting on the bench after an interception. He's a very emotional player, and it's good seeing him getting excited for big plays and the like. He just has to learn to be more even keel.
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