Is the Defense for real?

Broadway Joe · Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:54 pm Post subject: Is the Defense for real?

This defense has dominated and has been dominated throughout the season.

So, what are you're thoughts on it?

I think this defense is very different compared to last year's, we are allowing more yards per game, but we are forcing more turnovers. And we still can't cover a freaking TE.

I think the Cowboys will be their biggest test so far (aside from the Saints, in which we failed miserably). A team with a damn good pair of TE's and one of the deepest backfields in the league. A solid offensive line and an inconsistent QB.

I think if they perform as they did against the Giants, this Defense is for real.
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jonu62882 · Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:19 pm Post subject:

Yeah, I think this defense is for real. I think they are a Top 10 D. I like that we force a lot fo TO's(with a +12 TO differential).

I think we need to work on our rush D.

I think most of it relies on McDermott and his lack of experience, but I think he'll get there.
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Nice thread Joe, Do i think this defense is for real?

Yes,Sean has been great for us. No defense will look good when they are constantly being put in a bad position like we were in the NO game. Our D has been the defense of my dreams,We shut down the run,we get great pressure on the QB, and we get a ton of turnovers. Our LB's have been good this year,Our D-Line has gotten even better, and we have the best CB duo in the league who are backed by a great SS and a very physical and young FS.
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Broadway Joe · Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:19 pm Post subject:

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Yeah, I think we're good but we have some holes and IT ALL REVOLVES AROUND THE LINEBACKERS. We have two main problems in this defense that I've noticed:

A. We can't cover a tight end. We've known that for the last year and it's showing we need somebody to be able to step up and handle that role. With Bradley likely coming back into the middle and Witherspoon kicking to the weak-side we'll likely need to find somebody of that mold in a strong-side linebacker. There's nobody that really fits the bill in the draft, and we'll likely have to find somebody via free agency. It will be harder with the new CBA. Options are really limited mainly to Derrick Johnson of the Chiefs in terms of legitimate strong-side linebackers but even then, he's not the best there is in coverage. There are a handful of weakside backers in free agency who would be worth it such as Thomas Howard but then we'd be without a legitimate SAM. However, we could potentially keep Witherspoon in the middle and kick Bradley outside in that situation. Yes, FD, we know. Bradley can't cover well but we don't have too many options and you can scheme around that to prevent him from going into man coverage any more than he normally would be.

B. We struggle to pick up our assignments quickly enough on the blitz. Again, this leads back to our linebackers getting onto their men or zone quickly enough or the safeties dropping into man coverage soon enough. It can be worked out though

Basically, we need to re-model the linebacker position, and with a younger defensive coordinator who takes JJ's premise to a more modern level, you need some talent at the position
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willruggiano · Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:58 pm Post subject:

The thing is though, our defense ISN'T good at getting pressure, our scheme is. Our pass rush from our front four is actually pretty bad. It's pretty simple for opposing offenses, tackle and back with Trent Cole, and double team Brodrick Bunkley. After that, Patterson/Laws aren't going to hurt you and whoever at LDE isn't going to either.

Seriously, our defense is predicated around sending more people than the offense can block and forcing errant throws from the quarterback. Then our backfield just captialize on the bad throws.

Which is why we struggle covering tight ends. Because there's so much room in the middle of the field, because the linebackers are blitzing. So I mean yeah our linebackers aren't great cover guys, but if they're one on one with an tight end (and the good ones that we've played) they will get abused every time. It's like putting a cheesesteak in front of Andy Reid and telling him not to eat it. It just won't happen.

Our defense revolves around disrupting the offenses rythhm, getting them off schedule. If we could do that with only 4-5 guys, man would that do wonders to our linebacking core, and defense as a whole. You see it in Idianapolis. They have a great one-two punch at defensive end in Freeney and Mathis. They don't have to worry about sending backers on blitzes because their front four can get consistent pressure. It works wonders when your backers are in coverage, maybe double teaming the tight end with a QB spy, as opposed to there being seven-eight guys in the box trying to get pressure. That's when you see the quick slants, 5 yard hitches, tight end choice routes, and ball/flat/swing routes from the backs. I'll tell you what, if I was an opposing QB, I'd be licking my chops thinking about playing against us. Why? The middle of the field is WIDE open because there's no linebackers because they are all blitzing.

All that being said, and all the crap our linebackers get about tight end coverage, etc. Our D-Line should be our
main priority this offseason. Get a threat opposite Trent Cole, and a big body next to Bunkley and watch the magic unfold.

I had to get my Andy-food joke in there somewhere. Laughing

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When the defense realizes there's a position on the offense called a tight end and he actually has to be covered once in a while, they'll be for real.
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jonu62882 · Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:42 pm Post subject:

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It's to early to tell. If we get through the next 3 games against Dallas, SD and Chicago with very good preformances then I'll start to agree. Until we prove it on a consistant basis against Top 10 Offenses it doesn't matter if we destroy the Bottom Dwelling teams in this league. The Giants this week and Carolina in week 1 were a good start. Unfortunately NO was horrible. Slow down the 2nd Ranked Offense in Dallas and 12th ranked in SD after dismanteling the 5th ranked Giants then we have something to excited about.
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