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buno67
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| Cheesehead430 wrote: | | Buckrock101 wrote: | | Cheesehead430 wrote: | USC, Cal, and Washington are overrated and have been exposed this season. Oregon they barely beat a bad Purdue team at Auetzen.
Florida and Bama are better teams as well as playing in a better confrence.
Also I dont care when and who they lost to they have a loss, no matter what you cant justify it. |
Oh, so it's only that they aren't very good teams, right. Oregon can't be damn good, basically any team would've blown out USC like that right? Well, there's a reason no one's dominated USC like that since forever. It could be that Oregon is playing better than anyone else right now. I have a very hard time believing that Alabama or Florida would have destroyed USC the way we did.
You're bringing up the Purdue and Boise State games, but they bear little relevance to how the Ducks are playing right now. Anyone will be able to see that Oregon right now are worlds better than Oregon back in September.
I don't really know what a team has to do to prove that they are playing the best football in the nation, if a 27 point win over USC doesn't convince you. |
If you lose your first game game of the season and then dominate everyone else, it doesnt really matter because you likely will have no chance at a NC, just like Oregon. They're are exceptions but its pretty slim that Oregon makes in to the number 2 spot by the end of the year.
Im not discrediting Oregon at all, I think they are one of the best if not the best one loss team in the country. But while a dominating win at USC was a huge win, I don't think the preformance should give them the title "team playing the best football". One game doesnt define a season. I also think its apperant to everyone USC is not the team alot of people thought, the defense hasnt "reloaded" like many thought, and the offense is good but not great not to mention is beeing lead by a true freshman QB.
UF has yet to lose a game, and beat a good LSU team at Death Valley, which is Auezten x10, and is coming off a dominating win against Georgia in a big rivalry game.
Texas is coming off a dominating win in Stillwater and like UF is undefeated.
Bama is looking like a very tough team even though theyre passing game is suspect.
I think its ludacris to say Oregon is playing better than any of the teams I mentioned above. |
I say Oregon is playing the best football. after the first game at boise they have played lights out and they are only getting better. They have blount coming back who is going to be extremely fresh and will do good these last few games.
I say Autzen Stadium is tougher then Tiger stadium...They say saturday night they broke the national record for the highest recorded decibel level at any sporting event in history: 127.2 decibels (louder than a jet taking off) LSU doesnt hold that and They hold about 40,000 less people. Autzen can hold up to 54,000, where Tiger holds 92,400
Not to take anything away from Florida but LSU is a crappy team this year, they are not playing up to what we have seen and Georgia is an avg team this year also. Yeah they beat them but Oregon's resume right now is more impressive then Florida right now. Yeah Florida is undefeated but to me Oregon has beat better quality opponents and has killed them on the way. they removed any doubt.
dont say Oregon lost to boise st and all that other crap, u gotta give oregon props for even scheduling a non conference game like that...they schedule really teams unlike Troy or Charleston Southern
back to the mans poll, i think he need to put texas at #2...I think behind Oregon Texas is playing the second best football in the land
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Buckrock101
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Cheesehead430 wrote: | If you lose your first game game of the season and then dominate everyone else, it doesnt really matter because you likely will have no chance at a NC, just like Oregon. They're are exceptions but its pretty slim that Oregon makes in to the number 2 spot by the end of the year.
Im not discrediting Oregon at all, I think they are one of the best if not the best one loss team in the country. But while a dominating win at USC was a huge win, I don't think the preformance should give them the title "team playing the best football". One game doesnt define a season. I also think its apperant to everyone USC is not the team alot of people thought, the defense hasnt "reloaded" like many thought, and the offense is good but not great not to mention is beeing lead by a true freshman QB.
UF has yet to lose a game, and beat a good LSU team at Death Valley, which is Auezten x10, and is coming off a dominating win against Georgia in a big rivalry game.
Texas is coming off a dominating win in Stillwater and like UF is undefeated.
Bama is looking like a very tough team even though theyre passing game is suspect.
I think its ludacris to say Oregon is playing better than any of the teams I mentioned above. |
For starters, the win over USC was quite possibly the most impressive win of the season, by any team. More impressive than Texas' win last week, more impressive than any of Florida's wins, more impressive than any of Alabama's wins. Then there's also the Cal game, the Washington game... ever since destroying then-#6 Cal, I don't know how you can say that Oregon hasn't been one of the most dominant teams in the nation.
Your only real response is that we have a loss. Well, in this context of THIS discussion, it doesn't really have any relevance.
| iavikefn wrote: | | This poll is designed to make a gauge of who is playing the best football in the country right now. I could care less what a team's resume is. I don't care if a team is undefeated. |
It's not a discussion of who has the better resume, it's not a discussion of whose season has been more impressive on the whole, it's a discussion of who is better right now. Coming off a massive win like that, and the dominant showings that we've put forth for the last month or so, I'm not sure why you're so quick to poo-poo the idea that the best football in the nation is being played right now by the Ducks.
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Cheesehead430
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | For starters, the win over USC was quite possibly the most impressive win of the season, by any team. More impressive than Texas' win last week, more impressive than any of Florida's wins, more impressive than any of Alabama's wins. Then there's also the Cal game, the Washington game... ever since destroying then-#6 Cal, I don't know how you can say that Oregon hasn't been one of the most dominant teams in the nation. |
I would say going into Death Valley at night is as impressive as Oregon waxing USC. LSU hadn't lost at night at home in 22 games. Not to mention Tim Tebow wasnt 100%. Oregon's win was big, but its clear the USC is not an elite team.
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Socraticsilence
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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| buno67 wrote: | | Cheesehead430 wrote: | | Buckrock101 wrote: | | Cheesehead430 wrote: | USC, Cal, and Washington are overrated and have been exposed this season. Oregon they barely beat a bad Purdue team at Auetzen.
Florida and Bama are better teams as well as playing in a better confrence.
Also I dont care when and who they lost to they have a loss, no matter what you cant justify it. |
Oh, so it's only that they aren't very good teams, right. Oregon can't be damn good, basically any team would've blown out USC like that right? Well, there's a reason no one's dominated USC like that since forever. It could be that Oregon is playing better than anyone else right now. I have a very hard time believing that Alabama or Florida would have destroyed USC the way we did.
You're bringing up the Purdue and Boise State games, but they bear little relevance to how the Ducks are playing right now. Anyone will be able to see that Oregon right now are worlds better than Oregon back in September.
I don't really know what a team has to do to prove that they are playing the best football in the nation, if a 27 point win over USC doesn't convince you. |
If you lose your first game game of the season and then dominate everyone else, it doesnt really matter because you likely will have no chance at a NC, just like Oregon. They're are exceptions but its pretty slim that Oregon makes in to the number 2 spot by the end of the year.
Im not discrediting Oregon at all, I think they are one of the best if not the best one loss team in the country. But while a dominating win at USC was a huge win, I don't think the preformance should give them the title "team playing the best football". One game doesnt define a season. I also think its apperant to everyone USC is not the team alot of people thought, the defense hasnt "reloaded" like many thought, and the offense is good but not great not to mention is beeing lead by a true freshman QB.
UF has yet to lose a game, and beat a good LSU team at Death Valley, which is Auezten x10, and is coming off a dominating win against Georgia in a big rivalry game.
Texas is coming off a dominating win in Stillwater and like UF is undefeated.
Bama is looking like a very tough team even though theyre passing game is suspect.
I think its ludacris to say Oregon is playing better than any of the teams I mentioned above. |
I say Oregon is playing the best football. after the first game at boise they have played lights out and they are only getting better. They have blount coming back who is going to be extremely fresh and will do good these last few games.
I say Autzen Stadium is tougher then Tiger stadium...They say saturday night they broke the national record for the highest recorded decibel level at any sporting event in history: 127.2 decibels (louder than a jet taking off) LSU doesnt hold that and They hold about 40,000 less people. Autzen can hold up to 54,000, where Tiger holds 92,400
Not to take anything away from Florida but LSU is a crappy team this year, they are not playing up to what we have seen and Georgia is an avg team this year also. Yeah they beat them but Oregon's resume right now is more impressive then Florida right now. Yeah Florida is undefeated but to me Oregon has beat better quality opponents and has killed them on the way. they removed any doubt.
dont say Oregon lost to boise st and all that other crap, u gotta give oregon props for even scheduling a non conference game like that...they schedule really teams unlike Troy or Charleston Southern
back to the mans poll, i think he need to put texas at #2...I think behind Oregon Texas is playing the second best football in the land |
How is LSU a "crappy team" making beating them unimpressive, but beating a mediocre USC team a big deal? I mean USC makes LSU look like a juggernaut with their weak defense and shaky offense. |
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I love how once USC loses to Oregon, everyone says they are mediocre.
I'll say this: Pete Carroll has NEVER lost a game that badly in his tenure at USC and I would be surprised if it happens again anytime soon. I'd also be very surprised if any team in the SEC would dominate USC like that even in SEC land.
Just my .02
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bokn0ws
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| Eksynyt wrote: | I love how once USC loses to Oregon, everyone says they are mediocre.
I'll say this: Pete Carroll has NEVER lost a game that badly in his tenure at USC and I would be surprised if it happens again anytime soon. I'd also be very surprised if any team in the SEC would dominate USC like that even in SEC land.
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Its a USC with a freshman quarterback. Of course they are mediocre. **For a USC Team**
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Responses like the ones that have been posted over the last 3 pages is the reason why I always get frustrated at the lack of respect the Pac-10 gets. Some points I need to make:
1. The SEC is not that impressive this year. Florida and Alabama are considered "elite" teams, LSU is good, but overrated -- who have they played outside of Florida? Georgia? They suck this year. Face it. The SEC is not good this year outside of three teams. Although I don't believe in the transitive property of college football, LSU beat Washington by 8. Oregon won by 24. In both cases LSU and Oregon played against an amped up U-Dub crowd. USC has a shaky offense? How about LSU? I didn't even know they had an offense until I saw a QB warm up on the sidelines a couple weeks ago.
2. The Pac-10 is better than people think. It's rated as the #1 conference in the Sagarin ratings. Oregon smokes Cal, and then Cal is overrated. Okay. Oregon smokes USC, now USC was overrated...what? This is a USC team that went into Ohio State and beat your best team (yeah, I know...Iowa is undefeated, get over it), beat ND on the road with a Freshman QB. People say that USC sucks this year because of Matt Barkley, but get this straight: Barkley is playing well. He was fantastic against Oregon, Oregon was just better.
3. Anyone who says that Oregon can't be the #1 team in CFB RIGHT NOW because of their loss against Boise State needs to watch some football. Fact of the matter is that Oregon has rebounded spectacularly from their start of the season and has posted a more impressive resume than anyone else--including Iowa--when margin of victory is taken into account. I doubt there's anyone outside of Idaho who thinks that Boise State would come within three touchdowns of Oregon right now.
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| packerrfan74 wrote: | | Purple-Pride07 wrote: | In terms of play 'right now' then it would be a travesty to see Texas #3, they aren't deserving. While I think you should flip Boise and TCU, it's not bad.
Not a fan of Pitt by any means, but I think you could place a couple teams like Penn State (coming off three excellent showings - need to beat OSU, however) or LSU (who's still hanging on and playing well enough to win against almostany opponent) in consideration. |
As of right now, after their performance against Mizou I would have no problem with Texas at #3.
Every thing else looks pretty on point though besides Alabama who I think is a little too high. |
Texas has been all over the place all season long and one game against a team who isn't close to being a contendor at this current moment doesn't warrant erasing the past weeks of the season from a voter's memory. The Longhorns haven't been great this season, but are still winning.
And Bama has arguably the best defensive squad in collegiate football, what's more is the fact that they have an unparalleled amount of playmakers everywhere on their defensive set. I'd be very willing to leave them where they are, because their ability to hold opposing teams will help them even when their O isn't clicking.
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| Purple-Pride07 wrote: | | packerrfan74 wrote: | | Purple-Pride07 wrote: | In terms of play 'right now' then it would be a travesty to see Texas #3, they aren't deserving. While I think you should flip Boise and TCU, it's not bad.
Not a fan of Pitt by any means, but I think you could place a couple teams like Penn State (coming off three excellent showings - need to beat OSU, however) or LSU (who's still hanging on and playing well enough to win against almostany opponent) in consideration. |
As of right now, after their performance against Mizou I would have no problem with Texas at #3.
Every thing else looks pretty on point though besides Alabama who I think is a little too high. |
Texas has been all over the place all season long and one game against a team who isn't close to being a contendor at this current moment doesn't warrant erasing the past weeks of the season from a voter's memory. The Longhorns haven't been great this season, but are still winning.
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Texas has been very uneven this year (injuries to their lineup and sickness to their QB can do that). I think the loss of a guy like Cosby hurts bad for this team and I don't know what the hell they are doing with Colt but he was effective in their win against OU State, but it's the defense finally that are getting them where they need to go.
They won a hard fought match with OU (even with Bradford out, OU is a tough, tough team) on neutral territory. They beat Mizzou and then beat the crap out a decent OU State team.
Yes, they are uneven but they are winning and it looks like they are finally getting in sync. |
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| JPeezy55 wrote: | | bokn0ws wrote: | | Which team in the BCS has won 9 games? (hint: Just one) |
seriously dude, im happy you like your team, i like iowa, i respect them, but get over youself, you have had to block 2 field goals against Northern Iowa, you beat a very suspect penn state team, which is your best win on your bcs resume, then you beat Arkansas State? by 3? needed a comeback on the last play of the game vs Michigan State! Then the refs virtually gave you the game against indiana, and tell me how ever many times you want how many points you won by, but how much momentum would have swung if indiana got those points, you never would have been in a position to come back, you guys are undefeated, a good team, but not a top 5 team and damn lucky team at that. |
Tack on Michigan freshman coughing up the ball 5 times and only winning by 3.
Thats a weak resume if you look at the complete work.
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| detfan782004 wrote: | | JPeezy55 wrote: | | bokn0ws wrote: | | Which team in the BCS has won 9 games? (hint: Just one) |
seriously dude, im happy you like your team, i like iowa, i respect them, but get over youself, you have had to block 2 field goals against Northern Iowa, you beat a very suspect penn state team, which is your best win on your bcs resume, then you beat Arkansas State? by 3? needed a comeback on the last play of the game vs Michigan State! Then the refs virtually gave you the game against indiana, and tell me how ever many times you want how many points you won by, but how much momentum would have swung if indiana got those points, you never would have been in a position to come back, you guys are undefeated, a good team, but not a top 5 team and damn lucky team at that. |
Tack on Michigan freshman coughing up the ball 5 times and only winning by 3.
Thats a weak resume if you look at the complete work. |
So when the N.O Saints come back from 25 to win, it shows their resilience, when the hawks do it, they look weak.
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| bokn0ws wrote: | | detfan782004 wrote: | | JPeezy55 wrote: | | bokn0ws wrote: | | Which team in the BCS has won 9 games? (hint: Just one) |
seriously dude, im happy you like your team, i like iowa, i respect them, but get over youself, you have had to block 2 field goals against Northern Iowa, you beat a very suspect penn state team, which is your best win on your bcs resume, then you beat Arkansas State? by 3? needed a comeback on the last play of the game vs Michigan State! Then the refs virtually gave you the game against indiana, and tell me how ever many times you want how many points you won by, but how much momentum would have swung if indiana got those points, you never would have been in a position to come back, you guys are undefeated, a good team, but not a top 5 team and damn lucky team at that. |
Tack on Michigan freshman coughing up the ball 5 times and only winning by 3.
Thats a weak resume if you look at the complete work. |
So when the N.O Saints come back from 25 to win, it shows their resilience, when the hawks do it, they look weak. |
The Saints took the game, Iowa has been handed games by refs and weak opponents. They should have dominated these teams if they are truely a top 5 team. Michigan got dominated by freaking Illinois and yet, somehow Iowa squeeked otu a win even though Michigan handed it over 5 times. Indiana was robbed by the refs repeatedly.
Iowa has not played down to the level of competition as stated many times. That is a bogus statement. Top teams do not play down to level of inferior opponents. If they are a top 5 team they kill inferior opponents.
As a Big Ten fan I seriously hope a 1 loss team makes it in over another weak Big Ten team. Tired of seeing the Big Ten get killed in the NC year after year.
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