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| khodder wrote: |
Fitz has 3 seasons in which he has eclipsed the 1400 yard mark, Andre Johnson once.
Fitz has gone over 100 receptions twice and 90 three times, Andre Twice and Twice.
Fitz has 3 seasons with 10+ TD's Andre has 0.
Fitz has 13 More TD's 60 less catches and 500 less yards in a season less than Johnson.
That should give you some idea of who the better receiver is. Both face double teams on a regular basis, both have a similar number of targets (Fitz has 39 more over the last 5 years and Fitz has 11 over the last 3 years in which both have missed some time)
I think it is obvious who I take in this comparison. |
This is why just looking at the stats never works, because you're leaving out other important elements, such as injuries, but most importantly the supporting cast
Unlike Fitz, AJ has been thrown to, for the greater part of his career, by these two:
And that double team stuff? Gimme a break, wasn't Boldin rated higher before the season started?
It's AJ, all day.
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Thats a better photo
And I thought Larry Fitzgerald dominated the Seahawks defence...
another one....
This one by the giants....
I like Andre Johnson better...
Sadily this happened to Andre Johnson too.
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| Xaero wrote: | | khodder wrote: |
Fitz has 3 seasons in which he has eclipsed the 1400 yard mark, Andre Johnson once.
Fitz has gone over 100 receptions twice and 90 three times, Andre Twice and Twice.
Fitz has 3 seasons with 10+ TD's Andre has 0.
Fitz has 13 More TD's 60 less catches and 500 less yards in a season less than Johnson.
That should give you some idea of who the better receiver is. Both face double teams on a regular basis, both have a similar number of targets (Fitz has 39 more over the last 5 years and Fitz has 11 over the last 3 years in which both have missed some time)
I think it is obvious who I take in this comparison. |
This is why just looking at the stats never works, because you're leaving out other important elements, such as injuries, but most importantly the supporting cast
Unlike Fitz, AJ has been thrown to, for the greater part of his career, by these two:
And that double team stuff? Gimme a break, wasn't Boldin rated higher before the season started?
It's AJ, all day. |
Exactly Fitz does have Boldin on the other side of the field....It is still close, but I will take AJ.
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Andre Johnson can do everything Larry can. Larry can't do the same things Andre does.
Andre all day
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| antwanh5 wrote: | Andre Johnson can do everything Larry can. Larry can't do the same things Andre does.
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| Seahawks22 wrote: |
Thats a better photo
And I thought Larry Fitzgerald dominated the Seahawks defence...
another one....
This one by the giants....
I like Andre Johnson better...
Sadily this happened to Andre Johnson too. |
Laughable. Now it is Fitz's fault for a QB throwing interceptions. Hilarious.
Larry Fitzgerald also had Josh McCown throwing to him for a large portion of his first 100 catch 1400 yard season (Notice the use of first he has done this twice)
He had a rookie Matt Leinart for a season.
| Quote: | | This is why just looking at the stats never works, because you're leaving out other important elements, such as injuries, but most importantly the supporting cast |
Injuries. Andre has missed 10 games, Larry 4 that over the course of their careers. Neither is injury prone and neither has inflated stats relative to the other due to injuries.
Supporting cast - AJ has had some terrible QB's but so has Fitz as I said earlier. Even Warner stuggled a lot until late in the 2007 season that after almost a season and a half of starting.
Sure Fitz has Q opposite him, but at most times during his career AJ has had a legitimate threat on the ground to help him out. In fact furing the days of Dominck Williams (Davis) Teams left AJ in single coverage because the had no fear of Carr at QB so they put 8 in the box to stop the Texans offensive weapon in Davis.
The number of targets each has received is very similar for their career's so the type of offense played in has very minimal impact on the numbers.
| Quote: | | And that double team stuff? Gimme a break, wasn't Boldin rated higher before the season started? |
As outlined before the Cardinals have not had any running game while Fitz has been here, infact over the last 5 years the Card's have been in the bottom 5 on the ground every year. Thus teams left the box wide open and dared us to beat them on the ground. And with Brynat Johnson as a #3 and not a weapon, teams put a LB underneath on Q to take away YAC from the short ins and drags, and combined that with a CB on him too at all times. On the otherside Fitz played with a CB pressing him most of the time with a S over the top to cover for Fitz bearting the press coverage too easily.
BOTH received double teams for most of the time because of a complete lack of a threat on the ground, or a #3 threat in the passing game.
Another reason why this year was so big, even without a running game, Breaston finally provided a solid #3 and teams were left to not double one of Fitz or Q and both had outstanding years as a result.
Fitz and AJ have both seen double teams in every game since they started except Fitz as a rook, he saw a lot of single coverage because he was a rook.
AJ All day. I can understand taking him in a close race, but all day is pure homerism. Even with the huge advantage in numbers I can still admit that Andre as a receiver is very close to the ability of Fitz. But his production in terms of TD's and yardage before 08 leaves a whole lot to be desired.
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I'll take Andre Johnson, because they are just as good at everything they do in pretty much every department, but Johnson is much, much faster. Larry does have the hands advantage, though.
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You Cards fan say what you will, Carr is worse than McCown or Leinart. Add in a terribly shaky OL, which caused him to get sacked an average of about 44 times a year during the first 4 yours of AJ's career.
Legitimate threat on the ground? Whatever. Sure Domanick Davis was serviceable, but he never was too shabby, but nothing spectacular.
There's no right way to really compare an expansion team to a regular team, but now that the line between those two is almost gone for the Texans, the comparison can finally begin. You can blab all year about how this or that position was weak/strong and that affected either AJ or Fitz, but AJ has played on a worse TEAM his entire career, and that is team as a whole. Finally, when things came together for the Texans last year, AJ put up the kind of numbers he did.
I'm so sad, that the years of David Carr and Dom Capers ruined the early years of Andre Johnson, had he been on a more legitimate team, there would be threads titled "AJ vs Jerry Rice".
AJ is a more complete receiver, Fitz has the hands advantage. And that's the only advantage I'm giving Fitz. Fitz even ain't the best receiver on his team.
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Larry Fitzgerald is the superior deep threat, catches the ball with his hands better, goes up for the ball in traffic better, and is just as good after the catch.
AJ is a beast, Fitzgerald is a legend.
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After what Fitz did last post-season, I don't know how you can vote against him.
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| primetime21335 wrote: | | Larry Fitzgerald is the superior deep threat, catches the ball with his hands better, goes up for the ball in traffic better, and is just as good after the catch. |
AJ is faster.
AJ doesn't go up for the ball as great, but he snatches them from others' hands (see 2009 vs Miami, 4th and long).
AJ is superior after the catch.
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I'll take Andre Johnson. 
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| primetime21335 wrote: | Larry Fitzgerald is the superior deep threat, catches the ball with his hands better, goes up for the ball in traffic better, and is just as good after the catch.
AJ is a beast, Fitzgerald is a legend. |
Ha.. not quite
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| Xaero wrote: | | primetime21335 wrote: | | Larry Fitzgerald is the superior deep threat, catches the ball with his hands better, goes up for the ball in traffic better, and is just as good after the catch. |
AJ is faster.
AJ doesn't go up for the ball as great, but he snatches them from others' hands (see 2009 vs Miami, 4th and long).
AJ is superior after the catch. |
Early in his career no doubt AJ was better. But Larry has really worked on his YAC ability. AJ has the history on his side so I would still give him the edge, but another season like the last where Fitz had more YAC/reception than AJ could change that view.
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