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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 1:43 pm    Post subject: Call me crazy, but I LOVE this draft... Reply with quote

Yes, you read right. No, there is not someone sitting beside me with a gun to my head. Let me explain...

1. Max Unger and Brian Robiskie were supposedly high up on the Cowboys wish list. They were both gone. It has even been reported that Unger was the last guy we had rated as a 2nd round talent. Instead of reaching for a 3rd round guy, they traded down. There is nothing wrong with going by your draft board. It worked last year.

2. With no picks in the 1st or 2nd round, following the trade down at #51, the Cowboys decided to carpet bomb the lower half of the roster and fix the Special Teams units, while still addressing a few holes. We should all be happy that they decided to address the one part of our team that has sucked out loud. We have been TERRIBLE on Special Teams. We now have a new coach and several new players to help on the coverage units.

3. We lost Kevin Burnett. He was a key contributor in our nickle/dime defense and on ST. We replaced him with Jason Williams, who will be playing ILB for us. I actually like that we got Williams. He was really good against my Razorbacks last season. He had 7 tackles, 2 sacks, 2 forced fumbles and a pass breakup in that game. He can contribute on Nickle/Dime packages and provide depth until taking over a starting spot from Brooking in a couple years. This was a solid pick.

4. When Kyle Kosier went down last year, we sucked out loud at LG. Cory Procter was pathetic. Montrae Holland was good, once he got in shape, but got hurt. Procter sucked some more and McQuistan was even given some snaps in the final game. Robert Brewster played RT and RG in college. Ifhe can make the switch to LG, he will give solid depth and maybe even push Kosier for that spot. I like this pick a lot.

5. Obviously, Jon Kitna is not the long term answer at backup QB. Stephen McGee was a solid 3rd round prospect according to some scouting services. Getting him in the 4th is good value. Nothing to complain about here unless you just don't like him for personal reasons.

6. We had not depth behind DeMarcus Ware and Anthony Spencer other than Greg Ellis. We added depth and talent in Victor Butler and Brandon Williams. It was a smart move. They can both help on Special Teams as well as give the starters a break once in a while.

7. Pat Watkins is constantly hurt. Courtney Brown has yet to show that he can be anything more than a Special Teamer. Adding DeAngelo Smith is a good move. He has experience at both CB and FS and instantly upgrades the coverage ability of our secondary.

8. Roy Williams is gone. Keith Davis sucked as our backup SS. Gerald Sensabaugh is decent, but not proven yet. Michael Hamlin provides depth and insurance. Addressing this spot was a must and we did so with a good prospect.

9. Nick Folk is great at FG's and PAT's, but he pretty much sucks on kickoffs. Mat McBriar has dabbled at kickoffs, but wasn't very good at it. Carrying a 2nd kicker is a luxury that most teams don't do, but Jerry Jones said that they had already decided to do so heading into the draft. I have no problem with it when you consider that the Cowboys have already said that David Buehler will be used on other Special Teams units as well. I imagine that he will be the holder on FG's and PAT's. At 6' 1" and 225 lbs and running a 4.56 in the 40, he might even help out in coverage. How embarassing would it be to get tackled by the backup Kicker?

10. Keith Davis would apparently rather be an un-employed SS than a lowly paid Special Teams star. No problem, just replace him with Stephen Hodge. He is about the same size and a little faster than Davis. The Cowboys get younger and cheaper at the position. Nothing wrong with that.

11. The Cowboys let Tony Curtis go elsewhere. We needed a blocking TE to fill his spot. John Phillips gives us that.

12. Having lost PacTurd and Anthony Henry in the offseason, we obviously had a depth issue at CB. Mike Mickens was a 3rd round talent on every major scouting service. Getting him in the 7th round is a steal. He will be this year's Orlando Scandrick. Alan Ball does not like this pick at all, lol.

13. Manuel Johnson is basically Patrick Crayton in a 22 year old body. Given time to develop, likely on the Practice Squad, he could be a decent #4 WR.

If we can replace borderline veterans with younger/cheaper rookies at the bottom of the roster, why not do it? We have been complaining about the Special Teams play for a few years now. The Cowboys finally took a major step towards fixing it. Surprise, surprise, the majority of the fans are still complaining. Some things will never change.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A totally agree with what your saying, we did what we needed to do and I really like the signing of John Phillips if he learns from Jason Witten he could potentially turn into a similiar player just not as great.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

*starts a slow clap*

We got our flashy 1st round pick in Roy Williams. Pretty much he was our first round pick this year. No issue with that, when healthy and on the same page with Romo he will shine.

Next we have a healthy Romo, Witten, Williams, Barber, Felix, Kosier, and Newman.

Mike Jenkins and Scandrick both have a year under their belt.

Our FA moves filled holes, even if they weren't with flashy players. I love Kitna at back-up cause he can still start.

Add that all in with improving the special teams, Wade coaching the D all year, less on and off field distraction/bad locker room guys and most of all less pressure I think we field a better TEAM overall then we did last year.

P.S Why does ESPN make a big deal of us not having good WRs? We have better ones then the Patriots did their early Super Bowl Years...Why are the Pats allowed to be the only ones who don't need a superstar at every position and still do well? They ignore the fact we have 2 good catching TEs, our poor mans Reggie Bush (and maybe not even poor mans) in Felix Jones and a stud WR.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 2:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Call me crazy, but I LOVE this draft... Reply with quote

ht, you know that you and I are on the level; and I appreciate where you're coming from, but I have a few concerns with your points. While I'm not necessarily disagreeing, I'm concerned. Here are my thoughts:

htfryar wrote:
1. Max Unger and Brian Robiskie were supposedly high up on the Cowboys wish list. They were both gone. It has even been reported that Unger was the last guy we had rated as a 2nd round talent. Instead of reaching for a 3rd round guy, they traded down. There is nothing wrong with going by your draft board. It worked last year.


Trading down cost us Andy Levitre. He would be a first day starter and would make an immediate impact and upgrade on o-line. Getting the best OG in the entire draft mid way through the 2nd round is gold. But following it up with taking a 6th round graded OT just shows that Jerry is more focused on drafting backups and special teams guys than talent.

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2. With no picks in the 1st or 2nd round, following the trade down at #51, the Cowboys decided to carpet bomb the lower half of the roster and fix the Special Teams units, while still addressing a few holes. We should all be happy that they decided to address the one part of our team that has sucked out loud. We have been TERRIBLE on Special Teams. We now have a new coach and several new players to help on the coverage units.


The trouble is that we dedicated all 12 of our picks to special teams rather than following the philosophy of taking the BPA regardless of position. If anything, we'd get a superior talent who would play ST anyway. Focusing exclusively on one area rather than the best player is what we did in 1995-2001 and it tore the team apart because we eventually had a team of guys who had no business being on an NFL roster, let alone a starting roster.

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3. We lost Kevin Burnett. He was a key contributor in our nickle/dime defense and on ST. We replaced him with Jason Williams, who will be playing ILB for us. I actually like that we got Williams. He was really good against my Razorbacks last season. He had 7 tackles, 2 sacks, 2 forced fumbles and a pass breakup in that game. He can contribute on Nickle/Dime packages and provide depth until taking over a starting spot from Brooking in a couple years. This was a solid pick.


We could've landed Williams in the 4th round. While I like the pick, I hate the round. We were reaching on players to fill needs instead of taking the BPA. We also focused on "lose one, replace one". Jerry has always been guilty of that, and it usually bites us in the back side because he spends more time trying to "replace" a position rather than taking a better player at a different position.

And again, Jerry, but his own admission, wasn't looking for anything more than backup players. That's an incredibly stupid draft strategy. Just because he may not start right away should never sway a team from drafting a potentially dominant player. It simply makes the team even deeper and more talent rich.

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4. When Kyle Kosier went down last year, we sucked out loud at LG. Cory Procter was pathetic. Montrae Holland was good, once he got in shape, but got hurt. Procter sucked some more and McQuistan was even given some snaps in the final game. Robert Brewster played RT and RG in college. Ifhe can make the switch to LG, he will give solid depth and maybe even push Kosier for that spot. I like this pick a lot.


The Brewster pick was a reach, and we had Andy Levitre fall in our laps in the 2nd round. All this pick tells me (just like the other 11) is that Jerry isn't interested in having the starters challenged. He wanted a draft of backups. Well, I think they'll still be backup talent in 3 years as opposed to starting quality talent.

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5. Obviously, Jon Kitna is not the long term answer at backup QB. Stephen McGee was a solid 3rd round prospect according to some scouting services. Getting him in the 4th is good value. Nothing to complain about here unless you just don't like him for personal reasons.


I like the pick, but not the location. We could've grabbed him later in the draft, which would've given us the opportunity to draft a better player. But again, Jerry wanted backups, not the BPA.

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If we can replace borderline veterans with younger/cheaper rookies at the bottom of the roster, why not do it? We have been complaining about the Special Teams play for a few years now. The Cowboys finally took a major step towards fixing it. Surprise, surprise, the majority of the fans are still complaining. Some things will never change.


The problem is that Jerry had no interest in challenging the aging vets at the top of the roster. All he wanted was a draft full of backups.

Even though we needed some upgrades there, that shouldn't mean that you dedicate an entire draft to it. You take the BPA, whether you have a starter at that position or not. Challenging the starters and creating competition makes the entire team better. Simply drafting a bunch of backups to "improve" special teams will make the long term starting unit worse because we won't have any younger, less expensive, mid round talent groomed to replace them because we opted to pass on them to fill a special teams need instead.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 2:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Call me crazy, but I LOVE this draft... Reply with quote

htfryar wrote:


9. Nick Folk is great at FG's and PAT's, but he pretty much sucks on kickoffs. Mat McBriar has dabbled at kickoffs, but wasn't very good at it. Carrying a 2nd kicker is a luxury that most teams don't do, but Jerry Jones said that they had already decided to do so heading into the draft. I have no problem with it when you consider that the Cowboys have already said that David Buehler will be used on other Special Teams units as well. I imagine that he will be the holder on FG's and PAT's. At 6' 1" and 225 lbs and running a 4.56 in the 40, he might even help out in coverage. How embarassing would it be to get tackled by the backup Kicker?



I'd say about as embarrassing as this.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z82Ru0C7Qt8
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I couldn't have said it better HT.... I panicked at first when i was watching the picks... WTF... a kicker and a practice squad QB with mid round picks... but now I see a kick-off specialist that is a beast of an athlete, and a potential back-up QB in a year or two... when Kitna is gone. All others are athletes!!! My grade is a C..... But if Roy has a good/great year than a solid B.... He was our first pick basically.... Hindsight is 20-20... i wished we would have waited and got Boldin..... Jerry loves his Texas guys.... as you can see with the Mcgee pick also....
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ht, you make excellent points. When I was watching the draft I was wondering what those guys were thinking but afterwards, it wasn't so bad.

I like it when guys throw out "names" to try and prove how much they know, but if last year was any indication, names won't make a team better. It takes players to do that and I truly believe we landed a few with this bunch.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 2:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Call me crazy, but I LOVE this draft... Reply with quote

ware94 wrote:
htfryar wrote:


9. Nick Folk is great at FG's and PAT's, but he pretty much sucks on kickoffs. Mat McBriar has dabbled at kickoffs, but wasn't very good at it. Carrying a 2nd kicker is a luxury that most teams don't do, but Jerry Jones said that they had already decided to do so heading into the draft. I have no problem with it when you consider that the Cowboys have already said that David Buehler will be used on other Special Teams units as well. I imagine that he will be the holder on FG's and PAT's. At 6' 1" and 225 lbs and running a 4.56 in the 40, he might even help out in coverage. How embarassing would it be to get tackled by the backup Kicker?



I'd say about as embarrassing as this.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z82Ru0C7Qt8


Thanks for digging that up. I love that video clip!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Challenging aging vets? what aging vets? Ellis? Adams?

First Ellis isn't even going to be the starter this year. And nobody that we could of gotten could of challenged a healthy Adams. The players dallas wanted didnt fall and they didn't have anybody rated high enough to take in the 2nd. Only problem I have is taking so man player this year and not trading some picks for picks next year.

I personally like Jason Williams and this is an indication that Bobby Carpenter might be on his way out. Stephen Hodge is another guy I like, he's a great special teams guy and will play ILB for us, beating out Matt Stewart and Justin Rogers for a roster spot. John Phillips should beat out Rodney Hannah and looks like Alan Ball and Courtney Brown might be on their ways out enless they can beat out Mickens and Smith. Looks like Dallas is drafting alot of guys who can play multiple positions. Smith can play CB and S. Hodge can play SS and LB. Two DE who can both be OLB and a Kick Off specialist who can also play S or LB.

I wouldn't say a great draft but a draft in which Dallas has finally addressed their needs on special teams. One of the worst special teams units in the NFL might finally be one of the best. Remember Special teams has cost Dallas more than one game in the past. Might actually have a kick off this season that is a touchback.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 2:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Call me crazy, but I LOVE this draft... Reply with quote

plan9misfit wrote:

We could've landed Williams in the 4th round. While I like the pick, I hate the round.


I don't know how you could possibly know this. The Cowboys were so worried about missing out on Williams that they almost traded up even higher in round 3 to grab him. You have no idea if he would have been there about 30 picks later.

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The Brewster pick was a reach, and we had Andy Levitre fall in our laps in the 2nd round. All this pick tells me (just like the other 11) is that Jerry isn't interested in having the starters challenged. He wanted a draft of backups. Well, I think they'll still be backup talent in 3 years as opposed to starting quality talent.


Except for the fact that Jerry admitted they really wanted Unger because he was the last guy on the board who they felt could challenge for a starting spot as a rookie. They clearly didn't think Levitre was as good as you think.
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The point that no one has made is that Dallas does not need most of these players to be superstars. Dallas selected 12 players, hoping that 5 or 6 will be quality players. If Dallas hits on only 40% of the players drafted and those players make solid contributions in the next 5 years, then we had a solid draft. In three years we will see whether that happened.
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pierrepet wrote:
The point that no one has made is that Dallas does not need most of these players to be superstars. Dallas selected 12 players, hoping that 5 or 6 will be quality players. If Dallas hits on only 40% of the players drafted and those players make solid contributions in the next 5 years, then we had a solid draft. In three years we will see whether that happened.

Yeah McShay just said he couldnt believe we didnt get anyone who can be an immediate starter. We dont need any immediate starters. We got lots of role players and ST help.
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I also like the young competition with so many players drafted, perhaps bringing a better attitude and effort to the team on defense and special teams. I can foresee veterans losing jobs to some of these players to improve speed, energy and chemistry.
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SHSTE92 wrote:
*starts a slow clap*


*claps wildly*

Well said sir, I may not agree with all the picks, but I'm glad not everyone is jumping off the bridge and going emo on us about this draft.
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pierrepet wrote:
The point that no one has made is that Dallas does not need most of these players to be superstars. Dallas selected 12 players, hoping that 5 or 6 will be quality players. If Dallas hits on only 40% of the players drafted and those players make solid contributions in the next 5 years, then we had a solid draft. In three years we will see whether that happened.


This is an excellent point. We all know that 12 picks are not going to make the team. Finding about 5-6 quality players would, indeed, be a successful draft in my opinion. I felt like this was a weak draft class, to begin with. I'm ready for the 2010 Draft, where we will have a 1st rounder, and a shot at Eric Berry.
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