You CLE Fans don't want Alex Smith???

ditchdigger · Joined: 09 Jan 2005 Posts: 14041 Location: Columbus, OH

If we trade down, it's not to take a QB, unless it's with the second round pick we get for trading down. That would be ideal.

Then we could get Kyle Orton. A strong armed pocket passer. The exact thing Romeo wants. If we did that would you, and your huge sigs, leave us alone about it?

When you draft BPA, you don't depend on getting anything in it. You just grab the best player available.

Andre Ware had a bajillion yards in a pass happy offense, much like Urban Meyer's, which led to some very misleading statistics. Detroit, the suckers, were fished in by the lure of stats. Please look at Andre's NFL Career stats.

+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| Passing | Rushing |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| 1990 det | 4 | 13 30 43.3 164 5.5 1 2 | 7 64 0 |
| 1991 det | 1 | 0 0 0.0 0 0.0 0 0 | 4 6 0 |
| 1992 det | 4 | 50 86 58.1 677 7.9 3 4 | 20 124 0 |
| 1993 det | 5 | 20 45 44.4 271 6.0 1 2 | 7 23 0 |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| TOTAL | 14 | 83 161 51.6 1112 6.9 5 8 | 38 217 0 |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-------------------+

This from a Heisman winner.

In 1989, his junior season at Houston, Ware set major college records by throwing for 4,699 yards and 46 TDs, leading the Houston Cougars to a 9-2 record. He declared for the NFL draft, forgoing his senior year, confident that he had impressed NFL scouts. After one pre-draft workout, a scout declared, "Gentlemen, we are looking at the next great quarterback in the National Football League."

Funny how history repeats itself.

The Holcombnite · Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 11:10 am Post subject:

simply stated..if san francisco or miami wont draft them, and they have slight QB problems just the same, why should we?

For the following:

A) The top teams have other pressing needs aside from the Qb posistion

B) There are other top tier QB available later in the draft (Kyle Orton, Charlie Frye) and next year (Matt Leinart)

C) Again if Miami and San Francisco are not sure of drafting unsoldified talent and paying them 8 digit signing bonus', why should we and sacrifce our cap for the future?

D) We need a pass rusher, a pass rushing LB(s) and a shutdown corner, before we even consider a Qb. Add help on the line as well.

Please, other Browns fans continue to contribute to this list as why we do NOT need a Qb in the first round.

Canadian_Patriot · Joined: 26 Jan 2005 Posts: 8701 Location: Halifax

Yea but ditch man.... you can't just use one example of a QB tooken early. Look at all the guys that did work out.

My point is, that it is really going to suck if you guys pass on him and he end up in hilight reels on mondays mornings. And you have a guy like Derrick Johnson being pushed back into your secondary on running plays. Theres an element to risk with every postion. You guys talk like taking DJ or Rolle is a sure thing. Just as man CB and LB's tooken early have not work out as QB's. Its always going to be a risk.
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The Holcombnite · Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 11:37 am Post subject:

The QB's this year (projected first rounders) are the biggest risk pick this year, they are over rated, cap eating, no goods.

Again, just cause they are "rated high" doesnt mean we have to take him.
Im for the idea of jumping experts opinions, I think we should jump the board and get Merriman or Rolle, and I do not see why not. They are low risk IMO, and could have an immediate impact, a la Tommie Harris, who ALSO jumped the board last year, and turned out to be a great pick by the Bears.

DaBrowns41 · Joined: 04 Jan 2005 Posts: 22935 Location: Reynoldsburg, OH

ditchdigger · Joined: 09 Jan 2005 Posts: 14041 Location: Columbus, OH

ditchdigger · Joined: 09 Jan 2005 Posts: 14041 Location: Columbus, OH

Clever.

More like this:

PASSING

G GS Att Comp Pct Yards TD Int Rating

112 96 2620 1447 55.2 17031 95 105 70.6

Not exactly awe inspiring numbers, but this one is.

He won 24 of the last 29 games he started.

That's pretty much the only stats that matter.

Eagles1fan5 · Joined: 02 Mar 2005 Posts: 1376 Location: Cleveland

Anyone in there right mind that thinks Matt Leinart is going to be a good QB in the NFL is insane. That dude couldn't throw a spiral if his life depended on it, in the Championship game his own teammates were joking with him that it was his first time he ever threw them spirals all game. Of course your going to be awesome when you have the best O-Line in college football blocking for you, Reggie Bush the most exciting player with Ted Ginn Jr in College Football. You got so much talent around you of course your going to be good. Same thing with Jason White. Jason White aint a great QB but his stats look that way because of all the amazing talent around him. (Mark Clayton, Jamaal Brown etc.) College stats do mean a little of something.....but shouldnt be the reason you take a guy. Oklahoma had what...2-3 games tops where they played someone who was actually decent.... He goes against USC and chokes. Jason White isnt even worth a 7th RD Pick!

docc2183 · Joined: 12 Jan 2005 Posts: 240 Location: Cleveland

If we do indeed draft Alex Smith, we will be the ones who are being "tooken"

travis1metallic · Joined: 18 Jan 2005 Posts: 176

Why not a QB in the first round. First none of these QB's in my eyes didnt play in the big ten or any real defensive conference. Second, we definitely need to improve our shady defense. Third we can obtain a QB in the second - fourth round who is gonna play just as good as the 2 first round busts u think we need to draft.

Canadian_Patriot · Joined: 26 Jan 2005 Posts: 8701 Location: Halifax

Did carson palmer,kyle boller or ben roethlisbeger play in the big ten or a defensive conference? No.

Its ok to not agree but thats just stupid.
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BrownOrangeBurgundyGold · Joined: 17 Feb 2005 Posts: 19

College Football is not the NFL. Period.

Sure, you can get an idea of a QB's physical talents through college games, but you can't get an understanding of the player's ability to lead teams or read defenses. Half of these QB's were set up in some type of pass-happy offense that amplified their numbers. College defenses are a lot weaker than NFL defenses. So if you tell me that Alex Smith had great college numbers, fine. That's a start. Now can you tell me if he's going to be able to drop back into the pocket and make the right reads? For every Ben Roethlisberger that enters the NFL, there are many more Akili Smiths. Canadian Patriot, you should know better than to base a QB's value based on what round he's projected in. Tom Brady didn't go in the first round. Or the second round. Or the third round. He went in the sixth round. You know this.

We don't need to blow our first round third pick overall on grooming a QB that doesn't even fit our system. Alex Smith is not the future of the Browns.
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Bart · Joined: 26 Feb 2005 Posts: 1677 Location: Erie Pa

Didn't Ryan Leaf have a great College career too.

The Browns do not want Alex Smith. Are you his agent or cousin or something?

Yes he has a great deal of potential but the Browns are not making this pick.

Maybe after he beats the Browns or wins something in the (NFL) you could bring this subjet up again,,, but for now,,,, read my lips....

Do... You... Understand??? The Browns... Will... Not... Pick... Alex... Smith... In... The... First... Round...

Everybody, louder now!!! Do... You... Understand... ............
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Canadian_Patriot · Joined: 26 Jan 2005 Posts: 8701 Location: Halifax