Mike Vick

[va4hustlers]

[egrizzard]

I am fairly new here, so I don't understand the whole debate.

Vick is the most exciting player in the NFL, period. he is an incredible market draw, and even other players say he is the one player they would "pay to watch".

Vick is not a good pocket guy. Manning can not run in the open like Vick. Every team, coach, and system has its idea of what is best for them. My point here is, Vick is a one of a kind. You can't compare him to other qb's. It is not fair.

Roddy White will develop into an amazing reciever--and Crumpler doesn't even need explaining. I think Vick would be more effective rolling out off of play-action, but what do I know?

To end this, Vick IS trhe Falcons. No more discussion needed.

[William_Ohms]

Def is def what lost us our games this year... after we grab DEF in the first 2 RDs hopefully S and DE then that will help... If we can trade Schaub for an extra 1sr RD the would improve us all the more... I think we will be back next year... Even though Tampa is getting better also
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[MadAtFalcons]

Good news us carolina's not gettin any better really, hopefully they'll cool down. yeesh they destroyed us BOTH games.
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[mike12345]

all i know is that the falcons win a whole lot more games when vick is starting.

stats dont matter as long as you win and most of the time thats what he does.

[MadAtFalcons]

[TheIncomparable]

[MadAtFalcons]

[va4hustlers]

[scar988]

[MadAtFalcons]

[[Shiver]]

Mike has done everything you could want out of a Quarterback. A Quarterback is asked to do two things..


1) Win games

2) Advance the offense


What does it matter if he doesn't do those things conventionally. He has hardly done so with a lot of help. The team since 2002 without him is 3-12 without him starting.

A good comparison to Mike, is John Elway. Another Quarterback drafted by Dan Reeves, a player he thought was comparable to John Elway. Guess what people. Michael Vick is a better passer now then the hall of fame quarterback John Elway at this point in their respective careers.

Michael Vick through 51 starts

9,031 passing yards through 726 completions, or 12.43 yards per completion, tops in the current NFL for starters.

51 touchdowns

39 interceptions

54.1 completion %

75.8 passer rating

John Elway through 56 starts

11,637 yards through 944 completions, or 12.32 yards per completion

66 touchdowns

65 interceptions

53.3 completion %

70.1 passer rating


So as you can clearly see, in no aspect was John Elway statistically superior to Michael Vick when it comes to passing statistics in this early portion of his career, Vick has a..

better completion pct
better yards per completion
better touchdown to interception ratio
better passer rating

It took John Elway 10 years to complete 60% of his passes, he didn't even do so when he won the super bowl with Mike Shannahan's WCO.

Fact of the matter is Elway was a winner, Vick is too. Both had a knack for leading mediorce teams into the playoffs. Just give him time people. He showed glimpses this season, combine that with a great QB coach, a offseason of deeloping a repertoire with Roddy and MJ, and even marginal improvements in pass protection, Michael will show big strides when it comes to passing the football on a consistent basis.

This is not to say that Michael is without flaws. Most of the time this season he was a efficient passer, 9 of his 15 starts he had passer ratings of at least 83, including two great games versus Tampa Bay, the team that supposedly "owned" him. He just had some really bad "statistical" performances that dragged down his overall rating.
He needs to improve two things in my opinion.

1) His footwork and mechanics, at times they we're inconsistant and lead to struggles passing the football. However the hiring of Bill Musgrave is a great sign, mechanics and footwork is his specialty.

2) Instincts, at times this season he was hesitant. Sometimes he wouldn't know when to run or when to throw. Sometimes he gave up on his reads too soon, other times he doesn't take over games when he could have. He needs to let the game come to him and not force it, be himself.

[D-Rod]

great stuff, shiver, nice comparison. i'll settle for a couple of superbowl wins...

i think a huge vick issue for knapp to think over is how to combat the spy defence. if we're going to win the division next year, we're going to have to beat the panthers, at least at home. so knapp has to think up a way to combat thomas davis, and free up vicky to do his thing. other teams will doubtless be copying the davis/urlacher tactic also. admittedly not many teams have the athletes capable of keeping up with superman.

i'm no coach, but i had one idea. how about spying the spy. on selected pass or bootroll plays, give griffith the sole aim of getting to the spy and knocking him to the ground. it's going to be a lot harder for the spy to focus on vick if he's got someone of griffith's pace and power flying at him. obviously that would take something out of the overall protection, or lose a passing outlet, but i think that, in selected plays, it would be worthwhile. griffith has the pace to track them down, and the power to get through to them.

i think it could work. feedback?
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[MadAtFalcons]

[[Shiver]]

To defeat a team using a spy, you need to be able to break it down by passing the football. Not to sugar coat it, but Michael has been wildly inconsistant. Most of the time he is a efficient passer, but in some games like the Carolina and Chicago games he struggled and the offense struggled.


Of course most teams do not have any where near the atletes those teams have on the defense. Thomas Davis and Brian Urlacher are freaks, very few teams have those kind of equalizers.