John Abraham a Cowboy

manster · Joined: 27 Jan 2005 Posts: 296

i know that he has the Fran. ttag on him, but it is reported that he is up for trade. I would give up #20 and a later round pick. I bet they would want th #11 spot and i dont know if i would be willing to part with it.

AmericasTeam · Joined: 09 Jan 2005 Posts: 1212

I believe that when a player is franchised that it would take two first round picks to get him.

manster · Joined: 27 Jan 2005 Posts: 296

My understanding if another team comes in and signs him they have to give up two 1st round picks the team can trade him for whatever they want.

TheStarStillShines · Joined: 12 Oct 2004 Posts: 8283

Not quite America's Team.

Teams can negotiate a trade for a franchised player. It could be 2 first round picks, 1 first round pick, 2 other picks, or could involve players. The 2 first round picks is just a baseline.

Now if a team wants to sign a franchise player outright and can't come to terms with the other team, then it must give 2 first round picks.
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AmericasTeam · Joined: 09 Jan 2005 Posts: 1212

Interesting, but it doesnt look like we have any players that they would want. At least none that we would be willing to give up.

denjenn · Joined: 19 Dec 2004 Posts: 738

I'll pass.

if we could have signed him as a FA, I would have been all for it. but we have to many holes to fill to just trade away our high draft picks.

plus, at #11 we could draft a players as good as Abraham

Matts4313 · Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 1:32 pm Post subject:

players as good as him? no player in the draft is proven, just to begin. 2nd he is one of the top DE's in all of football. You just dont find those types of guys in every draft. Look at the top 5 DE's drafted in each of the last 10 years and i be he is near the top of that list.....
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Matts4313 · Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 1:38 pm Post subject:

to futher my point-

1 9 Kevin Williams DE Oklahoma State
1 13 Ty Warren DE Texas A&M
1 14 Michael Haynes DE Penn State
1 15 Jerome McDougle DE Miami
1 18 Calvin Pace DE Wake Forest

1 2 Peppers, Julius DE North Carolina
1 11 Freeney, Dwight DE Syracuse
1 22 Thomas, Bryan DE Ala.-Birmingham
1 25 Grant, Charles DE Georgia
2 35 Edwards, Kalimba DE South Carolina

1 4 Smith, Justin DE Missouri
1 7 Carter, Andre DE California
1 10 Reynolds, Jamal DE Florida State
2 34 Vanden Bosch, Kyle DE Nebraska
2 46 Schobel, Aaron DE Texas Christian

1 1 Brown, Courtney DE Penn State
1 12 Ellis, Shaun DE Tennessee
1 13 Abraham, John DE South Carolina
2 33 Howard, Darren DE Kansas State
2 35 Engelberger, John DE Virginia Tech

1 16 Kearse, Jevon DE Florida
1 20 Ekuban, Ebenezer DE North Carolina
1 22 King, Lamar DE Saginaw Valley
1 30 Kerney, Patrick DE Virginia
2 38 Rucker, Mike DE Nebraska

since 99, 5 years, here are the top 25 de's. we have 5-6 people who i would consider franchise players. and J Abraham is probaly number 2 on that list
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denjenn · Joined: 19 Dec 2004 Posts: 738

Dogs of war · Joined: 21 Jan 2005 Posts: 781 Location: Albuquerque, NM

I'll also have to pass. We did the 2 first rd thing before and that was not worth it. We must get 2 impact players with our 1st rounders, not just one.
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Matts4313 · Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 1:44 pm Post subject:

your missing the point...
there is a very large chance that the number 11 person becomes a bust....
You can draft a person WHO YOU THINK will be great, or trade and get someone who is GREAT.
if the Jets wanted to trade our number 11 for abraham, i might just do it, because he can play DE and OLB. he's proven great at both positions. and hes not that old.
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denjenn · Joined: 19 Dec 2004 Posts: 738

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Battlelordz · Joined: 13 Jan 2005 Posts: 1701 Location: Houston, Tx

I'm with Matts. Abraham is better than what we'll get at 11, unless a miracle happens and somebody falls.

I'd like to see somebody post a good arguement on that point. Who would be better at 11?

The arguement would be totally on the assumption that whoever we take can be a bonafide stud in the NFL.

Don't like assumptions.

Would rather have a for sure thing.

Cowboys73 · Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 2:46 pm Post subject:

he is good but plays on a dLine that is way better and bigger then what we have at the moment. He plays with Ellis Fergason and Robetson.

If we go 3-4 he would play outside linebacker.
Merriman could be similiar to John A
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