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RashaanSalaami
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/news/story?id=3179754
Is this is a good idea? Where does he go and what can he play at the next level?
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i think its a good idea..he played pretty good i think in the game against michigan..he could be a mid to late first round pick just like his former teamate moss was last year...i think redskins would be interested as would jacksonville...
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I don't think it is a good idea at all. He hasn't had that good of a season at all for Florida and he still is pretty raw. He could have benefited so much more from one more year playing in Florida. I see him going in the 2nd round and if he has a good combine, maybe late 1st, but that would have to be a GREAT combine.
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Like someone previously mentioned I think he will be like Jarvis Moss and be picked in the mid 20's by Jacksonville or Washington.
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Personally i think it's always a bad idea for a junior to declare unless they are a really special talent who is basically a lock for a top 10 pick or something. I think almost every junior could benefit from taking that extra year of college experience to prepare for the NFL, but obviously money is important and you dont want to risk injury so you have to look out for your own interests.
As for Harvey specifically, he seems pretty good from what ive seen but he's nothing special at this point. He seems like a late first or second round pick to me.
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| R3dskins_ST_CP wrote: | | Like someone previously mentioned I think he will be like Jarvis Moss and be picked in the mid 20's by Jacksonville or Washington. |
Or the Eagles.
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| dtwizzy2k5 wrote: | Personally i think it's always a bad idea for a junior to declare unless they are a really special talent who is basically a lock for a top 10 pick or something. I think almost every junior could benefit from taking that extra year of college experience to prepare for the NFL, but obviously money is important and you dont want to risk injury so you have to look out for your own interests.
As for Harvey specifically, he seems pretty good from what ive seen but he's nothing special at this point. He seems like a late first or second round pick to me. |
Wow you are about 180 degree off on this. Any junior who will be a first day pick almost has to go unless they are from money or something. If you can make 7 figures next year, are you going to risk losing it all due to an injury for a chance to move up some? Your combine numbers are not likely to change and move you into the top 10 so you are risking a huge amount of money for a slight increase in money a year from now.
Harvey's decision is a solid one. |
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This guy has success as a pass rush specialist, and is only so-so when he's the full time starter. That also comes from having to deal with an increased number of double teams, etc. If he's taken on a team with a strong defensive end opposite him, he could wreak some havoc, but after watching him in great frustration this season, I have a hard time believing he'll pan out.
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| SpacemanSpiff wrote: | | This guy has success as a pass rush specialist, and is only so-so when he's the full time starter. That also comes from having to deal with an increased number of double teams, etc. If he's taken on a team with a strong defensive end opposite him, he could wreak some havoc, but after watching him in great frustration this season, I have a hard time believing he'll pan out. |
you dont watch many Flordia games
Harvey is a very good DE ... he was double teamed most of the season and still put up good numbers
he had 8 tackles 2 sacks and a forced fumble against michigan on tuesday
he is a better prospect then Jarvis Moss he will def. go in the first rd he is a top 3 DE in this draft (Long, Gholston)
Harvey has vastly improved his all around game this yr ... he is much better against the run and has worked on pass rush moves... he will be a very good pro
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| Eagles $5$ wrote: | | R3dskins_ST_CP wrote: | | Like someone previously mentioned I think he will be like Jarvis Moss and be picked in the mid 20's by Jacksonville or Washington. |
Or the Eagles. |
Hopefully not 
I believe he would be better off staying but I never question someones choice to leave for the NFL.
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please come to Minnesota.
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| Cardsfan7 wrote: | | SpacemanSpiff wrote: | | This guy has success as a pass rush specialist, and is only so-so when he's the full time starter. That also comes from having to deal with an increased number of double teams, etc. If he's taken on a team with a strong defensive end opposite him, he could wreak some havoc, but after watching him in great frustration this season, I have a hard time believing he'll pan out. |
you dont watch many Flordia games
Harvey is a very good DE ... he was double teamed most of the season and still put up good numbers
he had 8 tackles 2 sacks and a forced fumble against michigan on tuesday
he is a better prospect then Jarvis Moss he will def. go in the first rd he is a top 3 DE in this draft (Long, Gholston)
Harvey has vastly improved his all around game this yr ... he is much better against the run and has worked on pass rush moves... he will be a very good pro
LETS GO CARDS ! |
Wrong. I live in Gainesville. I get every Florida game and watched every down of every one... save for the Capital One Bowl.... I haven't obtained a telecast of that yet, so I haven't been able to see exactly how he performed over the course of the game.
This guy really did have a down year. I will give him this he was able to get past the double teams, but the problem was he rarely finished the plays. He'd be in the QB's face, but hardly ever put him on the ground, because the QB would get the ball off perfectly and into a waiting receiver's hands, because Wondy Pierre-Louis is too busy looking for his girlfriend in the stands to cover.
My opinion of Harvey has been severely damaged because of the defense he's played on. He might be doing great things, but I wouldn't be able to truly discern that because the end result of the play is never favorable with the defense lacking capable linebackers and defensive backs.
I will give you this he has improved in run game support.
After really thinking hard on it, I'd say you're right for the most part. His production was much better coming in off a rotational role, however, he has improved his game to the point where he's no longer a pass rush "specialist"
Now... I still don't think this guy will turn out to be first round material. High-mid second round... most likely but if somebody drafts him first round I'm not sure they're going to get all they bargained for.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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| SpacemanSpiff wrote: | This guy really did have a down year. I will give him this he was able to get past the double teams, but the problem was he rarely finished the plays. He'd be in the QB's face, but hardly ever put him on the ground, because the QB would get the ball off perfectly and into a waiting receiver's hands, because Wondy Pierre-Louis is too busy looking for his girlfriend in the stands to cover.
My opinion of Harvey has been severely damaged because of the defense he's played on. He might be doing great things, but I wouldn't be able to truly discern that because the end result of the play is never favorable with the defense lacking capable linebackers and defensive backs.
I will give you this he has improved in run game support.
After really thinking hard on it, I'd say you're right for the most part. His production was much better coming in off a rotational role, however, he has improved his game to the point where he's no longer a pass rush "specialist"
Now... I still don't think this guy will turn out to be first round material. High-mid second round... most likely but if somebody drafts him first round I'm not sure they're going to get all they bargained for. |
I gotta say, it's nice to see a college football fan give a fair and accurate breakdown of a player from their team rather than "Player X is a beast! He'll be one of the best players in the NFL in a couple years!". I wish there was a rep system on here, b/c I definitely would've given you kudos for being fair instead of a fan.  |
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| InstiGATOR wrote: | | dtwizzy2k5 wrote: | Personally i think it's always a bad idea for a junior to declare unless they are a really special talent who is basically a lock for a top 10 pick or something. I think almost every junior could benefit from taking that extra year of college experience to prepare for the NFL, but obviously money is important and you dont want to risk injury so you have to look out for your own interests.
As for Harvey specifically, he seems pretty good from what ive seen but he's nothing special at this point. He seems like a late first or second round pick to me. |
Wow you are about 180 degree off on this. Any junior who will be a first day pick almost has to go unless they are from money or something. If you can make 7 figures next year, are you going to risk losing it all due to an injury for a chance to move up some? Your combine numbers are not likely to change and move you into the top 10 so you are risking a huge amount of money for a slight increase in money a year from now.
Harvey's decision is a solid one. |
Maybe i didnt make myself clear enough. What i was trying to say is that from a financial standpoint, yes you are right: a first day junior prospect should come out so he can make millions instead of risking injury. BUT from a football perspective i think most juniors like Harvey could use another year in college if they want a better chance of success on the field in the NFL.
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| Also keep in mind that he had to play over 80 plays a game because he had no one to replace him so he would basically be winded by the end of the game. |
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