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Bullitt995
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David Irons the CB from Auburn got a 4 last year. War Damn Eagle!
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Peyton Manning only scored in the mid or low 20's (25 i think) and he looks like the smartest QB when on the field. The wonderlic is useless for this reason.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 2:57 pm Post subject: Re: Wonderlic Scores |
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Has anyone ever taken a Wonderlic test? I have and it's not exactly difficult....
I wonder if some of these guys just got nervous and lost their composure or were told not to take the test seriously by their agents because the test is such that anyone with a high school education should be able to get at least a 25 on it. |
I took one. I scored a 40. Wasn't difficult at all. If you payed attention in school and knew basic math, this thing would be a simple task. |
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PatriotsWin!
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| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 5:07 pm Post subject: Re: Wonderlic Scores |
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| JohnKitnaFan wrote: | | AnAngryAmerican wrote: |
Has anyone ever taken a Wonderlic test? I have and it's not exactly difficult....
I wonder if some of these guys just got nervous and lost their composure or were told not to take the test seriously by their agents because the test is such that anyone with a high school education should be able to get at least a 25 on it. |
I took one. I scored a 40. Wasn't difficult at all. If you payed attention in school and knew basic math, this thing would be a simple task. |
Can anyone post a link to a free copy of the test. I wonder what some of the posters on this site would get.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 9:08 pm Post subject: Re: Wonderlic Scores |
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| PatriotsWin! wrote: | | JohnKitnaFan wrote: | | AnAngryAmerican wrote: |
Has anyone ever taken a Wonderlic test? I have and it's not exactly difficult....
I wonder if some of these guys just got nervous and lost their composure or were told not to take the test seriously by their agents because the test is such that anyone with a high school education should be able to get at least a 25 on it. |
I took one. I scored a 40. Wasn't difficult at all. If you payed attention in school and knew basic math, this thing would be a simple task. |
Can anyone post a link to a free copy of the test. I wonder what some of the posters on this site would get. |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 9:33 pm Post subject: Re: Wonderlic Scores |
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| TMX Cowboy wrote: | | PatriotsWin! wrote: | | JohnKitnaFan wrote: | | AnAngryAmerican wrote: |
Has anyone ever taken a Wonderlic test? I have and it's not exactly difficult....
I wonder if some of these guys just got nervous and lost their composure or were told not to take the test seriously by their agents because the test is such that anyone with a high school education should be able to get at least a 25 on it. |
I took one. I scored a 40. Wasn't difficult at all. If you payed attention in school and knew basic math, this thing would be a simple task. |
Can anyone post a link to a free copy of the test. I wonder what some of the posters on this site would get. |
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I did, couldn't find any free ones. Maybe someone else could find one
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http://www.professormoney.com/wonderlic%20sample%20test.htm
easiest thing I've ever seen. I stopped after 2 minutes and answering like 10 questions... not worth my time.
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| PatriotsWin! wrote: | | Peyton Manning only scored in the mid or low 20's (25 i think) and he looks like the smartest QB when on the field. The wonderlic is useless for this reason. |
It's not meant to exactly tell how successful a quarterback will be. But it is evidence to how great a mental capacity the person has to play quarterback in the classic sense.
You'll notice that almost all of the quarterbacks that have low scores, but have also had success, rely alot on their mobility. If you think Vince Young could stand back in the pocket and pick apart defense like Peyton Manning, or even Alex Smith, you are out of your mind.
And as far as Young's Wonderlic score goes, he got a 6, but one the score got out, it was reported that it was "administered and graded incorrectly". He retook it and got a 16. A 6 would suggest illiteracy, as there's a good chance you could do better with just random guessing.
It wouldn't surprise me, though, if Young did get a , and then someone decided it would be a good idea to teach him the 12 months of the year. Everytime I've seen him talk, he can barely form a comprehensible sentence.
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I don't think the Wonderlic means all that much.
Terry Bradshaw - 15
Dan Marino - 15
Jim Kelly - 15
Vinny Testaverde - 17
Jeff George - 10
Neil O'Donnell - 13
Elvis Grbac - 16
These are QBs that accually had decent to great careers.
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On the other hand...
Jason Maas - 43 (1999)
Todd Husak - 39 (2000)
Jesse Palmer - 32 (2001 - couldn't resist)
Drew Henson - 42 (2003)
Craig Krenzel - 38 (2004)
Charlie Frye - 38  (2005)
Bruce Eugene - 41 (2006)
Darrell Hackney - 40 (2006)
Jeff Smith - 40 (2007)
The great QBs have something inside that makes them great. The wonderlic is NOT a measure of what is in the heart. |
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Naruto
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| Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 12:29 am Post subject: Re: Wonderlic Scores |
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| TMX Cowboy wrote: | Tony Romo: 30
Jason Campbell: 14
Vince Young: 6 |
The official wonderlic scores were on this page. You have to click on scores.
First off, you short changed your boy Romo. (2003, score 37)
Second, I know you hate the Redskins but be fair. Jason Campbell got a 23.
Third, Everybody knows Vince got a 16. I don't care what the rumors suggest. The official score is what I go by. |
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Woops, Manning didn't get a 25 then he actually had a respectable 28. Still Tavaris Jackson got a fairly good score(compared to VY) and look how bad he looks on the field. Jackson makes VY look like Peyton.
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The purpose of the Wonderlic is to attempt (and I stress attempt) to determine how well somone thinks and performs under pressure. It's not necessarily important for a football player to know general knowledge, but it is important to assess how well someone can make the right decisions in a small window of time (i.e., like a football play).
While basic knowledge and performance in a pressure situation is important (depending on the situation), I don't think that a QB sits in the pocket while reading a defense and thinks to himself "if I'm selling apples at $.30 each, how much money will I have if I sell 7 apples?" <throws and completes the pass>
That's the fallability of the Wonderlic. It cannot accurately assess how a well QB reads a defense or makes a play under pressure, so it asks questions that can accurately assess time-related issues.
In reference to VY: Even though Vince Young is as dumb as a box of rocks and has issues throwing the football (though he is vastly improving), his Wonderlic score doesn't mean a blessed thing. He is still able to make the necessary plays to keep his team in line to win football games, and that matters a lot more than making $2.10 by selling 7 apples.
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12 minutes is a pretty stringent time limit, even for an easy test, if there's 50 questions. A lot of people need to go over a question 2 or 3 times to make sure they don't miss any details in the instructions, or nuances that differentiate one multiple choice option from another. That can affect their score.
I'm sure that if a lot of these guys got 16-20 minutes for the test, they'd score a lot higher. But making quick decisions under pressure is such a big part of football - and especially quarterbacking - that I can totally understand why there's a 12-minute time limit.
The difference, though, is that football is all about repetition, timing, and memorizing play designs, formations and signals. You can't really gauge how well someone will do on the field after 6 weeks of training camp and 4 days a week of practice by giving them 50 questions to answer in a 12-minute span.
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This test is designed to gauge your cognitive skills under pressure by using a time limit. How fast your ability to process information is. I took it for a pre employment deal with a 12 minute time limit and did very well. Difference is I dont have the skills to play in the NFL, so this helps further separate prospects.
| Tzimice wrote: | | The difference, though, is that football is all about repetition, timing, and memorizing play designs, formations and signals. |
True, to an extent. If it were that easy everyone would be performing at a high level. Your ability to process football information faster than others is what separates the men from the boys. Its the difference between Tom Brady and Tarvaris Jackson. Jackson may be more developed physically, but noone process info like Brady and Manning.
| Tzimice wrote: | | You can't really gauge how well someone will do on the field after 6 weeks of training camp and 4 days a week of practice by giving them 50 questions to answer in a 12-minute span. |
your right, but if your about to make a 21 kid a millionaire, you better do everything and anything to gauge the complexity of the situation before you cripple your franchise with a large contract.
Everyone who suits up has the skillset to play in the NFL, or they wouldnt be there. It is why football is:
80% mental/cognitive response
20% physical attributes
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