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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 6:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

canadaluvsdalla wrote:
Joe_is_the_best wrote:
What irks me is that the Cowboys acted like they didn't make a mistake. Just admit that you jumped the gun and then make whatever excuse you want.


He was going to get cut regardless.

Switzer was taking his spot on the roster. Showed up late to team meetings because he was partying last season. He was on a really short leash already with the coaches.

Hey its [inappropriate/removed] simple . You can't contribute on the field? And you showed up late to team meetings? You are "lucky" you weren't cut before.
That's all fine and may be 100% true but it's still a bad look for the Cowboys no matter how you try and spin it. They cut him hours after news broke about this incident which turned out to be mistaken identity. If this incident never happened, which was completely out of Whitehead's control, he'd still be on the roster right now. Would he have gotten cut anyway? Probably but anything can happen during TC and the preseason and this Switzer, who is supposedly taking Whitehead's spot/role, could have gotten hurt. Now, Whitehead lost an opportunity because the Cowboys jumped to conclusions becauase it happened to be a fringe player. It's just the double standard of it that is a terrible look. If you are a fringe player and you get caught in the news, even if it turns out you did nothing wrong, you're gone. If you are one of the superstars or main contributor, I'm looking at you Zeke, you get a mile long leash.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 6:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

///mcompact wrote:
reckless123 wrote:
///mcompact wrote:
reckless123 wrote:
///mcompact wrote:
Ketchup wrote:
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Kind of a bad look to cut a guy for a PR win who turned out to be completely innocent regardless of if he was expected to make the team or not.
It's a very bad look and also makes them look like hypocrites. They'll cut a guy instantly without even finding out if he's actually guilty or not as long as he's not important to the team. If you're a superstar, then they stand behind them. Not just the Cowboys either. Almost every team operates like that and they insult our intelligence by acting like it's the same for all players, which clearly it's not.


Like you said, not new and not exclusive to the Cowboys. If Roethlisberger was a UDFA, 3rd string QB for the Steelers back in the day, he'd be cut.

We Cowboys fans call it getting "Jimmy Johnson'd". Jimmy openly admitted that top players get a longer leash. If you're easily replaceable, you gone, baby.


Lool dont be disingenuous, you know this is ain't the same thing. Now the Cowboys look like a joke.


They cut him because their legal team looked into it and said "Yep...Lucky done goofed". In light of mounting pressure from other player offenses, Lucky having past transgressions and his extreme unlikelihood of making 53-man roster...he got cut. He got "Jimmy Johnson'd". If this was a better WR like Terrence Williams, they would've taken the heat and stuck their neck out for him. Hypocrisy in standards? Absolutely.

What is disingenuous with that?


If they looked into like you claim then he wouldn't have been cut.

I get the concept and it's not foreign but this situation is vastly different to what we normally see. This is a false accusation or an arrest, a guy was mistakenly identified and he got cut.


I don't disagree. They knee-jerked based on all of the heat from the past month and the fact that he was very expendable (absolutely not making the 53). His was the sacrifice.

Hind-sight says they should have waited a day or two to let it flesh-out, but I don't fully fault Garrett's initial gut instincts on this one (and trust me...I find fault with Garrett...especially on game days). It was a perfect storm. Lucky previously didn't disclose getting into a car accident and Garrett was blind-sided during a press conference about it (looked like a fool). Surely, that was still fresh in Jason's mind and thought this was more of the same. It didn't help that Lucky didn't show for the final pre-game practice before boarding a plane to play you guys in NY. Lucky was not a bad dude, but he was not talented enough to cover for his warts.


I get it he has issues. We all jump the gun sometimes because we already have our preconceived notions. It's human for you to make that jump. But that's the initial feeling you get, after they rationale and common decency sets in and you address it appropriately. You're a professional organisation, you do your investigation. You have different standards. This isn't a team cutting a player for an arrest which is later proved to be false. This is literally them hearing this on the news and then cutting him the second they receive it.
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It's entirely irrelevant that he was likely going to be cut during TC anyway. If he hadn't been arrested for something that it doesn't look like he did, or if the team did any meaningful investigation, he'd still be a Cowboy.

On its own, it makes the franchise look bad. In the context of everything else that's went on this offseason, it makes the franchise look ridiculous.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

reckless123 wrote:
///mcompact wrote:
Ketchup wrote:
Stevein2012 wrote:
Kind of a bad look to cut a guy for a PR win who turned out to be completely innocent regardless of if he was expected to make the team or not.
It's a very bad look and also makes them look like hypocrites. They'll cut a guy instantly without even finding out if he's actually guilty or not as long as he's not important to the team. If you're a superstar, then they stand behind them. Not just the Cowboys either. Almost every team operates like that and they insult our intelligence by acting like it's the same for all players, which clearly it's not.


Like you said, not new and not exclusive to the Cowboys. If Roethlisberger was a UDFA, 3rd string QB for the Steelers back in the day, he'd be cut.

We Cowboys fans call it getting "Jimmy Johnson'd". Jimmy openly admitted that top players get a longer leash. If you're easily replaceable, you gone, baby.


Lool dont be disingenuous, you know this is ain't the same thing. Now the Cowboys look like a joke.


Agreed.

I actually think that's what got them in trouble.

For those who haven't noticed, Dallas is basically trying to recreate the 90s dynasty team in large part because Jason Garrett was a part of those teams and surely had an influence over what he thinks a successful team looks like.

Jimmy used to do this sacrificial lamb kind of stuff, and it seems the brain trust in Dallas FINALLY had a guy they were willing to part with, and they jumped the gun.

It's hypocritical, sure. But more damningly it makes them look like they don't know what they're doing.

Few teams have these strokes of bad luck with character issues. Even fewer handle them as poorly when they do.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nova wrote:

It's hypocritical, sure. But more damningly it makes them look like they don't know what they're doing.

Few teams have these strokes of bad luck with character issues. Even fewer handle them as poorly when they do.

Jerry knows exactly what he's doing - making a deal with the Devil so he can win a Championship with his name on it. He's willing to take on a series of bad actors... because they have talent. And its not bad luck with the character issues, they knew ( or should have known) who they were drafting and bringing onto their team.

You're spot on in terms of recreating the 90s cowboys, those criminals were in the news every week and this current crew is doing their best to keep up Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, bad look for the Cowboys. Jerry had no hesitation to cover others when they were caught with PEDs and arrested for battery/assault but he immediately cuts this guy because he wasn't a core player even tho he was innocent. Shows what some of these teams actually stand for.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PatriotsWin! wrote:
Yeah, bad look for the Cowboys. Jerry had no hesitation to cover others when they were caught with PEDs and arrested for battery/assault but he immediately cuts this guy because he wasn't a core player even tho he was innocent. Shows what some of these teams actually stand for.


Boo hoo!
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"In the last four years the Cowboys have had by far the most players suspended, forcing them to miss by far the most games, of any team in the NFL.

The Dallas Morning News compiled suspensions around the league and found that the Cowboys have had 15 players suspended for a total of 100 games since 2014"
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shanedorf wrote:
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The Dallas Morning News compiled suspensions around the league and found that the Cowboys have had 15 players suspended for a total of 100 games since 2014"


Speaking of "disingenuous", McClain and Gregory account for "6" of those "15 players suspended" for a total of 60 of those 100 games. Confused
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///mcompact wrote:
Shanedorf wrote:
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The Dallas Morning News compiled suspensions around the league and found that the Cowboys have had 15 players suspended for a total of 100 games since 2014"


Speaking of "disingenuous", McClain and Gregory account for "6" of those "15 players suspended" for a total of 60 of those 100 games. Confused


I have to wonder how much of Hardy is in that, too...
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bananabucket wrote:
Well yeah an NFL player shoplifting from a convenience store did sound a little far-fetched.


Didn't Joseph Randle, another former Cowboy player, recently get arrested for the same thing (stealing underwear and cologne)? Laughing

What's wrong with these guys?!
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jones looked bad explaining he always takes the player's side.

Lucky is in a better situation with NYJ, if he can adjust to the new team quickly.
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