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lavar703


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Paul Woody, a well respected writer for the Richmond paper has covered the Redskins for years . He wrote an article published Sunday that said trade Cousin NOW for whatever..Hopefully as high as a second round pick and sign Kaepernick.
I'm not a fan of Kaepernick but ---he's completed 60% of his passes and thrown 72 TD's vs. 30 interceptions ( Cousins is 72 vs 42 ). Maybe the QB Guru Gruden could make him a decent starter or at least battle McCoy for the position.
I'd do it to get rid of this cloud just hanging over the team.. It's not going to end well anyway so let's just cut our losses. ( plus we do save the $$$$ and cap space )


We already got rid of an gimmick QB once, Gruden doesn't want another one. If we trade Kirk, Colt will start. And yes, I agree, Kirk should be dealt now.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trading Kirk just isn't going to happen, it's a fun thing to talk about but most of the teams in the NFL have the Qbs they want for the season and they're not going to trade for a qb who's going to make $24 million and there's no guarantee he re-signs with them next season.

If Kirk doesn't re-sign with us we'll eventually get a Comp pick for him anyways. Trading him for something like that now just doesn't make sense when in time we'll get it anyways. Keeping Kirk, possibly having a good or even great season with him and then all sides will want a long term deal in Feb of 2018 is a much better plan.
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The Niners can afford him and he will definitely re-sign with them. Send Kirk for their 2018 first and Hoyer. That's more than fair. Let Hoyer and Colt battle it out and keep developing Sudfeld. Not that I think Suds will ever be a starter but he could be a valuable back up down the line.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The Niners can afford him and he will definitely re-sign with them. Send Kirk for their 2018 first and Hoyer. That's more than fair. Let Hoyer and Colt battle it out and keep developing Sudfeld. Not that I think Suds will ever be a starter but he could be a valuable back up down the line.
The Niners aren't going to trade for something they can probably get next year without having to give up a draft pick.

They've also stated that they are fine with Hoyer as their starter. Next year they could have Kirk as the starter & Hoyer as his back up.

They're in year 1 of a rebuild, I'm 99% sure a trade doesn't happen with them.
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lavar703 wrote:
The Niners can afford him and he will definitely re-sign with them. Send Kirk for their 2018 first and Hoyer. That's more than fair. Let Hoyer and Colt battle it out and keep developing Sudfeld. Not that I think Suds will ever be a starter but he could be a valuable back up down the line.
The Niners aren't going to trade for something they can probably get next year without having to give up a draft pick.

They've also stated that they are fine with Hoyer as their starter. Next year they could have Kirk as the starter & Hoyer as his back up.

They're in year 1 of a rebuild, I'm 99% sure a trade doesn't happen with them.


So they'd rather he hit the open market where they have to compete for his services instead of just trading for him? Yeah, okay.
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lavar703 wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
lavar703 wrote:
The Niners can afford him and he will definitely re-sign with them. Send Kirk for their 2018 first and Hoyer. That's more than fair. Let Hoyer and Colt battle it out and keep developing Sudfeld. Not that I think Suds will ever be a starter but he could be a valuable back up down the line.
The Niners aren't going to trade for something they can probably get next year without having to give up a draft pick.

They've also stated that they are fine with Hoyer as their starter. Next year they could have Kirk as the starter & Hoyer as his back up.

They're in year 1 of a rebuild, I'm 99% sure a trade doesn't happen with them.


So they'd rather he hit the open market where they have to compete for his services instead of just trading for him? Yeah, okay.
Kirk is going to hit the open market no matter what next year unless he's franchise tagged. The deadline has passed for him to sign a long term deal because he's in the tag. Trading for a franchised player during the season with no guarantee that he's going to sign a long term deal with you the following march is about the dumbest idea I've ever heard of and if you wait you don't have to give up picks for him.

The situation is similar to the RG3 situation in 2015 (of course RG3 was a lesser player), he was essentially on a guaranteed tag that year and no team was going to trade even a conditional pick for a player who may not re-sign with you next year. They waited until he became a FA.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 2:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kurt is our hostage
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mar29020 wrote:
kurt is our hostage


Actually, the team is more Kirk's hostage right now.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kirk will be tagged next year too. apparently he would cost the same percentage against the cap. a lot can change in a year, lets hope eventually they can work out a deal
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Woz wrote:
mar29020 wrote:
kurt is our hostage


Actually, the team is more Kirk's hostage right now.

Exactly.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well, unless the Skins win the Super Bowl this season, it looks like Colt McCoy is going to be starter for the Redskins in 2018.


That's a big leap.. draft picks, free agents , trades .. Long time off in the scheme of things .. We'll see. !

I think it's more likely that the Skins will pick a young QB from the draft than pick up one from free agency or trading meaning that Colt will probably get the start in 2018 since Cousins is going to probably go out.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 29, 2017 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mar29020 wrote:
Kirk will be tagged next year too. apparently he would cost the same percentage against the cap. a lot can change in a year, lets hope eventually they can work out a deal


He would cost $34m of the $44m in cap space that we have next year. For everyone crying about the ability to sign FA, you're not going to do that if your QB is taking up $34M of your cap space each year. The reason you do a LTD, is to lower the AAV to something more manageable. Even a Luck type of deal doesn't pay him $34m/season.
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Woz wrote:
mar29020 wrote:
kurt is our hostage


Actually, the team is more Kirk's hostage right now.


This is correct. The team screwed up royally in negotiations.
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RSkinGM wrote:
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Well, unless the Skins win the Super Bowl this season, it looks like Colt McCoy is going to be starter for the Redskins in 2018.


That's a big leap.. draft picks, free agents , trades .. Long time off in the scheme of things .. We'll see. !

I think it's more likely that the Skins will pick a young QB from the draft than pick up one from free agency or trading meaning that Colt will probably get the start in 2018 since Cousins is going to probably go out.


Welcome to FF.

It will depend on the draft and what position they end up in. If they finish where USA Today predicts (5-11, drafting somewhere around 8-10), then they likely will draft a QB (which would be a mistake). If they win the Super Bowl, then Cousins is likely here at a MASSIVE price. The real question is what happens if they end up in between. If they make the playoffs but lose in their first game? Or if they make it in as a wildcard and win the first game but get blown in the divisional round? Or if they just miss the playoffs?
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