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Duffman57


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2016 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This has been brought up a lot since the Chargers took a FB and a P with their 6th rounders. I'm all for role players if you know you get them and they'll make an impact on the team rather than banking on boom or bust type guys. But I mean it depends on a teams needs. If you are severely lacking depth and you think there's a guy sitting there, who could be a backup/role player, then you take him. If there isn't someone there who can play an immediate role on the team, THAT IMO is when you look at those big boom or bust guys.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think by this point everyone is close to equal in ability. The main diff between a 6th round pick and an UDFA is that someone wanted the guy picked in the 6th and has a stake in him.

I've had a lot of strategies over the years, and have settled on the below. Get a list of guys you would sign as UDFA's. Pick the one or two that would have a specific use on your team or you otherwise think would be difficult for your specific team to sign and draft them. Your position coaches are talking with these specific kids before the draft, hopefully daily, recruiting them. You have an idea who is an automatic sign and who always wanted to be a Packer or Cowboy or something.

Positionally, go with a safety, all else equal. They are effective on special teams, learn pursuit angles, and grow into starters.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 1:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know the title is 6th and 7th rounds but:

http://insidethepylon.com/nfl/teams-nfl/afc-east/new-england-patriots/2016/08/29/why-does-bill-belichick-hate-the-fifth-round/
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jshowers wrote:
Their is one best way to use them IMO.

Specialized, effective, but limited role players.

Examples: Blocking TEs, slot WRs/returners, nickel/dime CBs, Utility OLs.

Player molds: Jim Dray, Dwayne Harris, Quandre Diggs, J'Marcus Webb.


You can sign vets to fill these roles on the Minimum Signing Benefit, and their cap hit will essentially be the same as a 6th or 7th round player
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tannenballs wrote:
jshowers wrote:
Their is one best way to use them IMO.

Specialized, effective, but limited role players.

Examples: Blocking TEs, slot WRs/returners, nickel/dime CBs, Utility OLs.

Player molds: Jim Dray, Dwayne Harris, Quandre Diggs, J'Marcus Webb.


You can sign vets to fill these roles on the Minimum Signing Benefit, and their cap hit will essentially be the same as a 6th or 7th round player


Not really. Coupla hunnert grand per role player adds up. "Young and cheap" is the preferred route today.

I don't usually agree with jshow but he is close. The best use of a 6th and 7th rounder is to fill team needs. The only question is identifying team needs.

All coaches have to have team needs filled by the start of the season, or they don't keep their jobs. All GM's have to help fill team needs without wasting money. If you pay a 11 year vet north of 800g instead of some kid out of Alcorn A&M to be your deep snapper, you won't keep your nice GM job once you have to let go a core player.

Coaches also love to create competition at all positions. That is a secondary goal of late draft/UDFA's. Now if one of those competition creators turn out to be Tom Brady, you look like a genius. That is why they scout them and don't just use the back of The Sporting News.

I think most team boards are in the 90 to 125 player range. That is all you need. Late you pick your guys who you like who fill your needs, while the other teams pick their guys who they like who fill their needs, and the overlap is less than you'd think.

"Following your board" deep into day 3 is stupid. That board is adjusted as you select. You get your safety and tackle, and the other safeties and tackles on your board are adjusted or slide off. If you are down to your last pick or two and your choice is a running back you don't need at #105 or a safety that takes crappy angles but has good length and would do well at the special teams slot you need to fill cheaper but he's #110 on your board, you take the safety every time.

Some positions succeed late more than others. Tight ends, fullbacks, and safeties are good late. Quarterbacks and receivers, not so often.

Some teams go for the high ceiling kids. Other teams go for tough guys and hope their toughness spreads to the high-priced guys. I like smart guys. They learn quickly if you need to throw them in, and they don't muck up practice by standing around in the wrong places because they can't learn their assignments.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you sign a veteran on the Minimum Signing Benefit, they will make the veteran Minimum for the accrued season in the league, but will have the cap hit of a 2nd year player:
https://www.spotrac.com/blog/nfl-minimum-salaries-for-2016-and-the-veteran-cap-benefit-rule/
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2016 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spend them on anyone but Moritz Boehringer and you'll do okay
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2016 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jshowers wrote:
Spend them on anyone but Moritz Boehringer and you'll do okay


Haha. I didn't see him in the pre-season. That bad?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2016 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jshowers wrote:
Spend them on anyone but Moritz Boehringer and you'll do okay


Cuz you should never gamble with that valuable 6th round pick, and no player has ever gotten off the practice squad.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2016 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jshowers wrote:
Spend them on anyone but Moritz Boehringer and you'll do okay


But if you listened to Vikings' fans after they selected him, you would have thought they got Randy Moss late in the draft.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2017 4:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not a ton to talk about over summer so...

When looking at how rounds produce multiple year starters, here are the numbers:

1st- 75%
2nd- 50%
3rd- 33%
4th- 25%
5th- 17%
6th- 8%
7th- 6%

I did not count kickers or punters because, c'mon
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

North wrote:
Upside players with enough special teams ability to make the team.


This is how most teams approach these picks. They are looking for special team players with some upside. In a cap era, each team needs cheap special team's players who have some developmental ability.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Take someone raw with a ton of ability but also a willingness to learn. Always seems like there are these freaks out there but they have character/motor/motivation issues
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Draft pass catchers that a franchise QB can make look decent.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you need a kicker, punter, or fullback take one. Otherwise, BPA, as with your other picks.
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