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What grade would you give the team overall?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 1:28 pm    Post subject: Before Camp - Grade Each Position + Coaches + GM Reply with quote

This article/poll inspired this thread.

Give your grade for each position. Feel free to provide analysis beyond a basic grade. If we get enough people to respond, I'll take this further with future threads.

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QBs: Matthew Stafford, Jake Rudock, Brad Kaaya

RBs: Ameer Abdullah, Theo Riddick, Zach Zenner, Matt Asiata, Dwayne Washington, Tion Green

WRs/TEs: Marvin Jones, Golden Tate, Eric Ebron, Kenny Golladay, Darren Fells, Jared Abbrederis, Jace Billingsley, T.J. Jones, Michael Roberts

OL: Greg Robinson, Graham Glasgow, Travis Swanson, T.J. Lang, Rick Wagner, Laken Tomlinson, Joe Dahl, Cyrus Kouandjio, Cornelius Lucas

DL: Ezekiel Ansah, A'Shawn Robinson, Haloti Ngata, Cornelius Washington, Kerry Hyder, Armonty Bryant, Akeem Spence, Jordan Hill

LBs: Jarrad Davis, Paul Worrilow, Tahir Whitehead, Nick Bellore, Jalen Reeves-Maybin, Antwione Williams

DBs: Darius Slay, Teez Tabor, Glover Quin, Tavon Wilson, Nevin Lawson, D.J. Hayden, Miles Killebrew, Quandre Diggs, Johnson Bademosi

Special teams: K Matt Prater, P Sam Martin, KR/PRs Keshawn Martin, Jace Billingsley, Dwayne Washington; LS Don Muhlbach; Specialists Miles Killebrew, Johnson Bademosi, Don Carey, Nick Bellore

Coaches: HC Jim Caldwell, OC Jim Bob Cooter, DC Teryl Austin, ST Joe Marciano


1. Give a letter grade for each position
2. Give a grade for the coaching staff - break them down if you want
3. Give a grade for the GM/Scouts/Front office
4. Pick an offensive MVP
5. Pick a defensive MVP
6. Pick an offensive ROY
7. Pick a defensive ROY

The more in depth you take your response, the more in depth I can take future threads. Lets have some fun while the forum is dead!
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 2:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Before Camp - Grade Each Position + Coaches + GM Reply with quote

X_Factor_40 wrote:
This article/poll inspired this thread.

Give your grade for each position. Feel free to provide analysis beyond a basic grade. If we get enough people to respond, I'll take this further with future threads.

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B+ QBs: Matthew Stafford, Jake Rudock, Brad Kaaya

B+ RBs: Ameer Abdullah, Theo Riddick, Zach Zenner, Matt Asiata, Dwayne Washington, Tion Green

B- WRs/TEs: Marvin Jones, Golden Tate, Eric Ebron, Kenny Golladay, Darren Fells, Jared Abbrederis, Jace Billingsley, T.J. Jones, Michael Roberts

A- if Decker is healthy, B if not OL: Greg Robinson, Graham Glasgow, Travis Swanson, T.J. Lang, Rick Wagner, Laken Tomlinson, Joe Dahl, Cyrus Kouandjio, Cornelius Lucas

C DL: Ezekiel Ansah, A'Shawn Robinson, Haloti Ngata, Cornelius Washington, Kerry Hyder, Armonty Bryant, Akeem Spence, Jordan Hill

C LBs: Jarrad Davis, Paul Worrilow, Tahir Whitehead, Nick Bellore, Jalen Reeves-Maybin, Antwione Williams

B DBs: Darius Slay, Teez Tabor, Glover Quin, Tavon Wilson, Nevin Lawson, D.J. Hayden, Miles Killebrew, Quandre Diggs, Johnson Bademosi

A- Special teams: K Matt Prater, P Sam Martin, KR/PRs Keshawn Martin, Jace Billingsley, Dwayne Washington; LS Don Muhlbach; Specialists Miles Killebrew, Johnson Bademosi, Don Carey, Nick Bellore

C+ Coaches: HC Jim Caldwell, OC Jim Bob Cooter, DC Teryl Austin, ST Joe Marciano


1. Give a letter grade for each position - See above. A lot depends on how healthy some people are. Ansah could increase the D line grade if he gets back on track. The LBs are young and full of questions but that could easily bump up. Special teams are solid given kick returners are nearly worthless and punt returners really just need to catch the ball.
2. Give a grade for the coaching staff - break them down if you want. I don't love our staff but they are good enough to stick around another year. I wish Caldwell had a little more fire, I wish we developed/used some guys better (Ebron and Marvin Jones) but overall we have a solid scheme and have got a little out of late picks/unexpected contributors which has to fall some on the coaches.
3. Give a grade for the GM/Scouts/Front office - B+/A- - I like what we did this offseason. We have different grades on some of the draft picks but I like the signings, I like the positions addressed, and I think we have a chance to be solid.
4. Pick an offensive MVP - Ameer Abdullah, if he can stay healthy (a big if I know but is the key to our season IMO) he is electric and will have a huge impact not only on our ground game but the freedom Stafford has to throw the ball with more in the box.
5. Pick a defensive MVP - Ziggy Ansah, I hope sp anyways. That would be the key to the whole defense playing better.
6. Pick an offensive ROY - Kenny Golladay - Easy choice since he is the only rookie who likely will have any type of significant role.
7. Pick a defensive ROY - Jarrad Davis - Another easy choice since he is locked into a starting role. I hope he has the type of season to earn this and not just win by default.

The more in depth you take your response, the more in depth I can take future threads. Lets have some fun while the forum is dead!
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 5:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Before Camp - Grade Each Position + Coaches + GM Reply with quote

X_Factor_40 wrote:
This article/poll inspired this thread.

Give your grade for each position. Feel free to provide analysis beyond a basic grade. If we get enough people to respond, I'll take this further with future threads.

Quote:
QBs: Matthew Stafford, Jake Rudock, Brad Kaaya- A. They are probably closer to a B+, but finally getting rid of Orlovsky makes this an A unit. How the FO ever justified bringing him back to this organization is beyond me.

RBs: Ameer Abdullah, Theo Riddick, Zach Zenner, Matt Asiata, Dwayne Washington, Tion Green- C. I'm not fond of this group right now. i'm upset we did not address the position in the draft, especially when Samaje Perine was on the board a couple times for us. If Ameer has a full/healthy season, this grade can improve, but right now, I'm not sold on just bringing in Asiata.

WRs/TEs: Marvin Jones, Golden Tate, Eric Ebron, Kenny Golladay, Darren Fells, Jared Abbrederis, Jace Billingsley, T.J. Jones, Michael Roberts. B- I like that they brought in Fells to be a blocking TE and I like the size of Golladay. I'd like to see a more consistent effort to get Marvin Jones involved.

OL: Greg Robinson, Graham Glasgow, Travis Swanson, T.J. Lang, Rick Wagner, Laken Tomlinson, Joe Dahl, Cyrus Kouandjio, Cornelius Lucas. If Decker plays- A. Getting Lang/Wagner were the biggest & best moves of our offseason, bar none.

DL: Ezekiel Ansah, A'Shawn Robinson, Haloti Ngata, Cornelius Washington, Kerry Hyder, Armonty Bryant, Akeem Spence, Jordan Hill. D. We are riding on hope that Ziggy is healthy and A'Shawn breaks out. We addressed nothing else. This was very disappointing this offseason.

LBs: Jarrad Davis, Paul Worrilow, Tahir Whitehead, Nick Bellore, Jalen Reeves-Maybin, Antwione Williams. A/C. If The rookies excel, this is an A. Outside of OL, this was the biggest area of change for the Lions FO and it's very boom or bust.

DBs: Darius Slay, Teez Tabor, Glover Quin, Tavon Wilson, Nevin Lawson, D.J. Hayden, Miles Killebrew, Quandre Diggs, Johnson Bademosi. B-. I'm actually not as down on Tabor due to his "lack of speed" as others. I've watched him play and he plays fast enough. Again, we are depending on unknowns to move the needle.

Special teams: K Matt Prater, P Sam Martin, KR/PRs Keshawn Martin, Jace Billingsley, Dwayne Washington; LS Don Muhlbach; Specialists Miles Killebrew, Johnson Bademosi, Don Carey, Nick Bellore. A. Kept the band together. Prater/Martin/Mule has been an anchor for us on ST. Our return game will make or break it for us. Getting rid of Andre Roberts might be addition by subtraction.

Coaches: HC Jim Caldwell, OC Jim Bob Cooter, DC Teryl Austin, ST Joe Marciano. B. I feel like we have good coaches, but I don't know if they are good enough to make us great.


1. Give a letter grade for each position
2. Give a grade for the coaching staff - break them down if you want
3. Give a grade for the GM/Scouts/Front office
4. Pick an offensive MVP- Matthew Stafford
5. Pick a defensive MVP- Jarrad Davis. This might be a shock to some, but I think if he can hold down the middle of our defense, where we got abused right in the middle, he could be the star of our defense, even as a rookie.
6. Pick an offensive ROY- Michael Roberts. I don't see Golladay being a big time playmaker for us out of the gate, I think Roberts will push Ebron to be better.
7. Pick a defensive ROY- Jarrad Davis- see above.

The more in depth you take your response, the more in depth I can take future threads. Lets have some fun while the forum is dead!
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

QBs: Matthew Stafford, Jake Rudock, Brad Kaaya, A-

QB is all about your starter. Teams rarely have depth at the position. Stafford was an MVP candidate throughout most of the year and was the only reason the team was not an open sewer. I think, post-Calvin, he is learning to spread the ball around and make the players around him better. I think he is a top 10 Quarterback with the potential to ascend considering his age and durability. The physical talent is there and his mental game is on the rise.

RBs: Ameer Abdullah, Theo Riddick, Zach Zenner, Matt Asiata, Dwayne Washington, Tion Green, D

The only reason this is not an F is because Theo Riddick is a great receiving back. Ameer Abdullah has shown flashes but his size and track record of durability make me highly skeptical that he can be any more than he has already been. People like to talk about the first 2 games of the season where he was running the ball above a 5 ypc clip, but until he can put it together for an entire season, we have very little reason for optimism. The RBs are supposed to make an impact running the ball, and this group has been woefully inadequate doing it. Very little optimism here, especially considering that we did not address the position in the offseason in any meaningful way.

WRs/TEs: Marvin Jones, Golden Tate, Eric Ebron, Kenny Golladay, Darren Fells, Jared Abbrederis, Jace Billingsley, T.J. Jones, Michael Roberts, B-

I think this is a solid group of guys without a real shining star. Golden Tate has been incredibly productive since his arrival from Seattle and is criminally underrated. Marvin Jones needs to be more consistent, as does Eric Ebron. I am really excited about Kenny Golladay and Michael Roberts as red zone threats—especially considering our red zone woes. I would have liked to see the Lions go after a true speedster in the offseason to give Stafford that over-the-top weapon that this offense missed last year. Hopefully Golladay can be that guy. Stafford makes this group better than they really are.

OL: Greg Robinson, Graham Glasgow, Travis Swanson, T.J. Lang, Rick Wagner, Laken Tomlinson, Joe Dahl, Cyrus Kouandjio, Cornelius Lucas, B


Maybe I am overrating this group, but I am very excited about our O-Line. Losing Taylor Decker knocks us down a grade, but TJ Lang and Ricky Wagner should form one of the better right sides in the entire league and prior to his concussion last year, Travis Swanson was one of the better centers in the league. Graham Glasgow improved throughout the course of the year and should continue to play better—hopefully the absence of Decker does not cause him to regress. Here’s to Decker coming back early and healthy.

DL: Ezekiel Ansah, A'Shawn Robinson, Haloti Ngata, Cornelius Washington, Kerry Hyder, Armonty Bryant, Akeem Spence, Jordan Hill, C-

Second fewest sacks in the league last year and we did not do anything to blow my skirt up in the offseason. Ziggy was hurt, but when healthy, he could bump this group up an entire letter grade. Without him, I would have put a D+ grade on this unit. A’Shawn showed a lot of improvement throughout the year and I expect a big jump from year 1 to 2. Kerry Hyder was a nice surprise, but more of a flash-in-the-pan than a consistent, perennial threat to get sacks. Everyone else is a rotational piece. Ngata, once a premier player, is a shell of his former self. A poor group that I hope gets a boost from A-Shawn’s improvement and a healthy Ziggy.

LBs: Jarrad Davis, Paul Worrilow, Tahir Whitehead, Nick Bellore, Jalen Reeves-Maybin, Antwione Williams, D-

What a mess. We definitely made moves to improve this unit, but I am hesitant to grade them much higher than the F they were last season. I am optimistic about Davis and Maybin, but they are untested rookies. Tahir was atrocious in coverage, Worrilow was beat out of his position in Atlanta, and Bellore is a special teamer. Williams could make a jump this year and will be interesting to watch. Frankly, this unit was so bad last year (no sacks, picks, or forced fumbles, I believe) that I can’t give them higher than a D- just because they added a few rookies, although I am optimistic about their future. Hopefully we work something out with a health Zach Orr. .

DBs: Darius Slay, Teez Tabor, Glover Quin, Tavon Wilson, Nevin Lawson, D.J. Hayden, Miles Killebrew, Quandre Diggs, Johnson Bademosi, B

I really like this unit. I know we gave up a historically bad completion % last year, but I attribute our defensive woes to our atrocious D-Line and even worse LB unit. Slay is the most underrated defensive player in the NFL. Glover Quinn has been one of the best FA signing in Detroit Lions’ history, and we have a lot of depth and competition with the addition of Hayden and Tabor. I think Killebrew will take a step forward this year after showing a lot of promise as a rookie.

Special teams: K Matt Prater, P Sam Martin, KR/PRs Keshawn Martin, Jace Billingsley, Dwayne Washington; LS Don Muhlbach; Specialists Miles Killebrew, Johnson Bademosi, Don Carey, Nick Bellore, A

One of the best units in the NFL. Sam Martin is a top 3 punter per PFF (I believe) and Matt Prater is a clutch, big legged kicker who is one of the premier kickers in the NFL (I’d only take Josh Tucker ahead of him). Quinn has done a great job of emphasizing the importance of good ST personnel and it shows. Returner remains to be seen with the absence of Roberts, but I feel that people weigh the effect of returners too heavily when considering the overall quality of a ST unit.

Coaches: HC Jim Caldwell, OC Jim Bob Cooter, DC Teryl Austin, ST Joe Marciano, C+

Playoffs 2/3 years, although there are clearly shortcomings in game management. I like Caldwell from Monday-Saturday. I think TA is a good defensive coordinator hamstrung by a depleted roster. JM has helped form one of the better ST units in the league.

FO: I'd give Quinn a B+. I feel like he has a plan and that he is committed to it, as opposed to previous GMs who have faltered and gone back to the dart-board approach to GMing.

Offensive MVP: Stafford
Defensive MVP: Ziggy
OROY: Golladay
DROY: Davis


1. Give a letter grade for each position
2. Give a grade for the coaching staff - break them down if you want
3. Give a grade for the GM/Scouts/Front office
4. Pick an offensive MVP
5. Pick a defensive MVP
6. Pick an offensive ROY
7. Pick a defensive ROY

The more in depth you take your response, the more in depth I can take future threads. Lets have some fun while the forum is dead!
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QBs: Matthew Stafford, Jake Rudock, Brad Kaaya

RBs: Ameer Abdullah, Theo Riddick, Zach Zenner, Matt Asiata, Dwayne Washington, Tion Green

WRs/TEs: Marvin Jones, Golden Tate, Eric Ebron, Kenny Golladay, Darren Fells, Jared Abbrederis, Jace Billingsley, T.J. Jones, Michael Roberts

OL: Greg Robinson, Graham Glasgow, Travis Swanson, T.J. Lang, Rick Wagner, Laken Tomlinson, Joe Dahl, Cyrus Kouandjio, Cornelius Lucas

DL: Ezekiel Ansah, A'Shawn Robinson, Haloti Ngata, Cornelius Washington, Kerry Hyder, Armonty Bryant, Akeem Spence, Jordan Hill

LBs: Jarrad Davis, Paul Worrilow, Tahir Whitehead, Nick Bellore, Jalen Reeves-Maybin, Antwione Williams

DBs: Darius Slay, Teez Tabor, Glover Quin, Tavon Wilson, Nevin Lawson, D.J. Hayden, Miles Killebrew, Quandre Diggs, Johnson Bademosi

Special teams: K Matt Prater, P Sam Martin, KR/PRs Keshawn Martin, Jace Billingsley, Dwayne Washington; LS Don Muhlbach; Specialists Miles Killebrew, Johnson Bademosi, Don Carey, Nick Bellore

Coaches: HC Jim Caldwell, OC Jim Bob Cooter, DC Teryl Austin, ST Joe Marciano

QB: A
-Clearly this is our strongest position on the field, for once in our franchises history. Stafford is largely responsible for our play off run last year, as no position group outside of this one really stands out as being better than average.

RB: B-
-Ameer Abdullah has shown flashes, but I worry about how he'll recover from his foot injury, given that his game relies on quick moves, change of direction and explosion. Theo became more well rounded as a runner last year and is still a weapon out of the backfield. Beyond that, other than Zenner no one really has too much experience.

WR/TE: B
-Golden Tate and Marvin Jones are a pretty average 1-2 combination so no real complaints there. Kenny Golladay really has the potential to improve this grade as the season goes on, given his size and role. Eric Ebron needs to improve his production and become an elite tight end to really justify taking him 10th overall, and picking up his option. Nobody in this unit, much like the runningbacks, really scares you though.

OL: B for now, will be an A- when everyone gets healthy
-This was the unit on the roster that was so heavily invested in during the off-season, only to be undermined by an OTA injury to Eric Decker. The additions of Cyrus Kouandjio and Greg Robinson can hopefully provide for adequate play in his replacement. TJ Lang, as I've said before, was a huge risk in free agency given his recent injury and age. I really think re-signing Warford made a lot more sense there to begin with, but when Lang returns I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. On paper and when healthy this should be one of the better OL units in the league.

DL: C
-Clearly the weakest unit on the roster. Outside of Ansah and Robinson no one really provides much long term upside. Ngata is in the waning years of his career and isn't what he used to be. I'm hoping Kerry Hyder can repeat his performance last year, and he'll need to for this unit to be even adequate.

LB: C+
-Another weak unit. Worrilow and Bellore were no better than average during their stints on other teams. Davis needs to be worth the draft choice and preform as quality NFL linebacker right away to make this unit adequate to keep us in games.

DB: B+
-I really like our corners this year. Slay and the better of Hayden/Tabor will be a really strong duo this year, with decent depth. The nickel battle looks really good and deep as well. However, our safeties give me pause. Quin looked a little bit slower last year, which is worrisome given that he is our free safety. I liked Wilson and Killebrew from what I saw, but that play will need to be consistent and improve next season.

Special Teams: B+
-Our punting and kicking game should be consistent and dependable. I'm not really sure who our return man will be, so that keeps this grade from an A.

Coaching: B+
-I know that complacency can make a guy like Caldwell dull, but Stafford has succeeded under this coaching regime and we've made the playoffs 2 out of 3 years and been competitive in all three seasons. The winning record speaks for itself, and there is something to be said for having a consistent coaching staff. Teryl Austin is one of the better coordinators in the league and can make our depleted defense somewhat formidable.

FO: B-
-I'm not really sure what to think here. Nothing this front office has done has really impressed me. I like the focus on building our lines, but I don't think that this roster is substantially more talented than the one that Quin took over. Nothing that he's done has been really hatable, but nothing has really been exciting either.

OMVP: Stafford
DMVP: Slay
OROY: Golladay
DROY: Tabor
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