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BroncoSojia


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KC=SB 42 wrote:
Chiefer wrote:
Rumor mill has a few things to say

- Clark Hunt(owner)didnt like the rumors that Dorsey wanted to go back to GB.

- Hunt didn't like how Dorsey treated Berry. I guess Berry didn't even talk to Dorsey the entire year due to the contract issues. Reid/Hunt had to step to get Berry re-signed. Berry said he wouldn't go to Voluntary OTAs because of the animosity there.

- Hunt didn't like some of the contracts with the dead money issues. Dorsey fired the Capologist

- Reid/Hunt were furious about the Maclin release and how it was handled. Core player, hometown kid, Reid's guy and you cut him through voicemail. Reid wanted a man-to-man talk and had to apologize over the phone.

-Dorsey didn't like the contract offer dollar-wise, so he got canned


Of course rumors are only rumors.
-It's Brett Veachs job to lose at this point.


Yea Dorsey definitely was great at drafting and scouting but god it was like his people skills were non existent he handled the Berry situation horribly as well as with Jamaal. Not saying im happy about the move but I have faith it overall isn't as bad as some fans think. We will survive.


He sounds a lot like AJ Smith, who was a pretty good drafter IIRC. Just couldn't get along with anyone.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kylecumberland wrote:
Stevein2012 wrote:
According to spotrac unless i'm reading it wrong KC is currently 12th in dead money and were 18th last year. They don't really have many bad contracts that guys are underperforming and their overall roster is pretty talented. How exactly are they in cap hell?


NOW that we have been forced to cut Maclin our 2017 cap is enough to stay under the cap. But we had to sacrifice a good player in Maclin to do that..HOWEVER if you look at 2018 cap that is where you begin to see how deep the cap issues go. We are already 12 Million over the 2018 cap, and that is without our draft class and veteran free agent signings. The chiefs have basically forced themselves into cutting Alex Smith next offseason. That would save 17 million in cap space. Better hope Mahomes is ready to roll next year.


Restructuring/cutting a QB in the 3rd or 4th year of a pretty big deal doesn't seem all that unusual, especially for a mediocre one like Alex Smith. Nor is cutting 33+ year old vets with fairly high contract numbers like Johnson and Hali. That's stuff every team deals with and happens with teams that have plenty of cap space. Those 3 moves alone add over 30 mil to KC cap next year.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stevein2012 wrote:
kylecumberland wrote:
Stevein2012 wrote:
According to spotrac unless i'm reading it wrong KC is currently 12th in dead money and were 18th last year. They don't really have many bad contracts that guys are underperforming and their overall roster is pretty talented. How exactly are they in cap hell?


NOW that we have been forced to cut Maclin our 2017 cap is enough to stay under the cap. But we had to sacrifice a good player in Maclin to do that..HOWEVER if you look at 2018 cap that is where you begin to see how deep the cap issues go. We are already 12 Million over the 2018 cap, and that is without our draft class and veteran free agent signings. The chiefs have basically forced themselves into cutting Alex Smith next offseason. That would save 17 million in cap space. Better hope Mahomes is ready to roll next year.


Restructuring/cutting a QB in the 3rd or 4th year of a pretty big deal doesn't seem all that unusual, especially for a mediocre one like Alex Smith. Nor is cutting 33+ year old vets with fairly high contract numbers like Johnson and Hali. That's stuff every team deals with and happens with teams that have plenty of cap space. Those 3 moves alone add over 30 mil to KC cap next year.


They would also put us at $13M next year in dead cap (including Maclin's.)

And while I agree, cutting veterans for cap space does not signify cap hell, nor is it unusual, having no choice but to cut veterans for cap space is the bigger problem. Particularly when those contracts are not structured to be a free cut, but will still carry dead money.
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Jakuvious wrote:
Stevein2012 wrote:
kylecumberland wrote:
Stevein2012 wrote:
According to spotrac unless i'm reading it wrong KC is currently 12th in dead money and were 18th last year. They don't really have many bad contracts that guys are underperforming and their overall roster is pretty talented. How exactly are they in cap hell?


NOW that we have been forced to cut Maclin our 2017 cap is enough to stay under the cap. But we had to sacrifice a good player in Maclin to do that..HOWEVER if you look at 2018 cap that is where you begin to see how deep the cap issues go. We are already 12 Million over the 2018 cap, and that is without our draft class and veteran free agent signings. The chiefs have basically forced themselves into cutting Alex Smith next offseason. That would save 17 million in cap space. Better hope Mahomes is ready to roll next year.


Restructuring/cutting a QB in the 3rd or 4th year of a pretty big deal doesn't seem all that unusual, especially for a mediocre one like Alex Smith. Nor is cutting 33+ year old vets with fairly high contract numbers like Johnson and Hali. That's stuff every team deals with and happens with teams that have plenty of cap space. Those 3 moves alone add over 30 mil to KC cap next year.


They would also put us at $13M next year in dead cap (including Maclin's.)

And while I agree, cutting veterans for cap space does not signify cap hell, nor is it unusual, having no choice but to cut veterans for cap space is the bigger problem. Particularly when those contracts are not structured to be a free cut, but will still carry dead money.


Meh, it's a big deal if your roster has no depth but KC is doing pretty well as far as guys performing up to their contracts and like I said above the guys you'd expect to decline are in contracts they can get out of without much problem. They are tight against the cap but their roster is strong overall, that's not awesome or anything but it's not bad either. At least with Dorsey you could expect to get a good return from the draft. That's an unknown now.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2017 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stevein2012 wrote:
Jakuvious wrote:
Stevein2012 wrote:
kylecumberland wrote:
Stevein2012 wrote:
According to spotrac unless i'm reading it wrong KC is currently 12th in dead money and were 18th last year. They don't really have many bad contracts that guys are underperforming and their overall roster is pretty talented. How exactly are they in cap hell?


NOW that we have been forced to cut Maclin our 2017 cap is enough to stay under the cap. But we had to sacrifice a good player in Maclin to do that..HOWEVER if you look at 2018 cap that is where you begin to see how deep the cap issues go. We are already 12 Million over the 2018 cap, and that is without our draft class and veteran free agent signings. The chiefs have basically forced themselves into cutting Alex Smith next offseason. That would save 17 million in cap space. Better hope Mahomes is ready to roll next year.


Restructuring/cutting a QB in the 3rd or 4th year of a pretty big deal doesn't seem all that unusual, especially for a mediocre one like Alex Smith. Nor is cutting 33+ year old vets with fairly high contract numbers like Johnson and Hali. That's stuff every team deals with and happens with teams that have plenty of cap space. Those 3 moves alone add over 30 mil to KC cap next year.


They would also put us at $13M next year in dead cap (including Maclin's.)

And while I agree, cutting veterans for cap space does not signify cap hell, nor is it unusual, having no choice but to cut veterans for cap space is the bigger problem. Particularly when those contracts are not structured to be a free cut, but will still carry dead money.


Meh, it's a big deal if your roster has no depth but KC is doing pretty well as far as guys performing up to their contracts and like I said above the guys you'd expect to decline are in contracts they can get out of without much problem. They are tight against the cap but their roster is strong overall, that's not awesome or anything but it's not bad either. At least with Dorsey you could expect to get a good return from the draft. That's an unknown now.


Ah, but don't ya know:

If it ain't broke, fix it.
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