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drfrey13


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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He is my new Wiz. I love how nasty he plays. The best hits were on Jernigan and Short. If Gabe can get to that level Lynch is going to run wild and the twins are going to blow right by defenders at the line because they will never see them coming. The run game is what I am most excited for this season. Just need a RT to step up.
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Rodney Hudson. I hoped he would make it in the top 30 on NFL Network's top players of 2017.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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oakdb36 wrote:
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Rodney Hudson. I hoped he would make it in the top 30 on NFL Network's top players of 2017.


KO was 95...no way Hudson is breaking the 100. Not that I agree with all the choices. Just not realistic.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NightTrainLane wrote:
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oakdb36 wrote:
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Rodney Hudson. I hoped he would make it in the top 30 on NFL Network's top players of 2017.


KO was 95...no way Hudson is breaking the 100. Not that I agree with all the choices. Just not realistic.


Agreed. KO is definitely better than plenty of people in the 70's and 80's IMO. And even David Decastro was put significantly higher I believe..no way..

But I also don't agree with cooper at 53.

And I won't agree with Carr if he makes it in the top 10. But that's just the nature of the top 100 to rightfully so rank the qbs higher
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Carr named #11 on the top 100 list

quite a jump from 100
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raiderrocker18 wrote:
Carr named #11 on the top 100 list

quite a jump from 100


He deserves it!
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THE MAD STORK wrote:
NightTrainLane wrote:
S&B Bleeder wrote:
oakdb36 wrote:
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Rodney Hudson. I hoped he would make it in the top 30 on NFL Network's top players of 2017.


KO was 95...no way Hudson is breaking the 100. Not that I agree with all the choices. Just not realistic.


Agreed. KO is definitely better than plenty of people in the 70's and 80's IMO. And even David Decastro was put significantly higher I believe..no way..

But I also don't agree with cooper at 53.

And I won't agree with Carr if he makes it in the top 10. But that's just the nature of the top 100 to rightfully so rank the qbs higher


I do not think Cooper's numbers justify it but if you focus on just him during a game it is clear he is better than his stats. For whatever reason Carr just does not look his way sometimes even though he is destroying the player across from him the whole game. This is rankings based upon players opinions and I guarantee those that try to cover Cooper have him rated pretty high. He is the 21st most targeted player per game in the league and is not even the most targeted player on our team.
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drfrey13 wrote:
THE MAD STORK wrote:
NightTrainLane wrote:
S&B Bleeder wrote:
oakdb36 wrote:
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCrTR6HXgAAV4Oe.jpg:large

Rodney Hudson. I hoped he would make it in the top 30 on NFL Network's top players of 2017.


KO was 95...no way Hudson is breaking the 100. Not that I agree with all the choices. Just not realistic.


Agreed. KO is definitely better than plenty of people in the 70's and 80's IMO. And even David Decastro was put significantly higher I believe..no way..

But I also don't agree with cooper at 53.

And I won't agree with Carr if he makes it in the top 10. But that's just the nature of the top 100 to rightfully so rank the qbs higher


I do not think Cooper's numbers justify it but if you focus on just him during a game it is clear he is better than his stats. For whatever reason Carr just does not look his way sometimes even though he is destroying the player across from him the whole game. This is rankings based upon players opinions and I guarantee those that try to cover Cooper have him rated pretty high. He is the 21st most targeted player per game in the league and is not even the most targeted player on our team.


I think it's two fold with Crab getting more targets. One is the coverage shades more toward Coop more than 50% of the time and he draws the #1 corner the majority of the time. Also Coop had issues with drops early on and that allowed Carr and Crab to build a comfort with each other.

It's one of the advantages in having two guys that could be #1 WRs. Carr is the winner here. No matter if the situation shifts and coverage rolls to Crab then Coop has huge #s.
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KO and Hudson are better players than Cooper at this point. I guess it's not easy to be recognized when you're playing OL. I'd argue KO is our 2nd best player behind Mack and ahead of Carr.
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I got a question which QB's right now would you rank ahead of Carr if any?

Maybe, Brees, Ryan, Rodgers, Brady, Luck.
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raidr4life wrote:
I got a question which QB's right now would you rank ahead of Carr if any?

Maybe, Brees, Ryan, Rodgers, Brady, Luck.


Going off of current performance I would put Brady Ryan Rodgers Brees Cousins and Luck a tier above him.

Wilson Prescott Bradford Stafford Manning Rivers Flacco and Palmer are on the same tier as Carr IMO.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 12:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

raidr4life wrote:
I got a question which QB's right now would you rank ahead of Carr if any?

Maybe, Brees, Ryan, Rodgers, Brady, Luck.

here comes the homer in me...Brady, Rodgers he's (Carr) tied with Brees. Never been a fan of Ryan, Big Ben in his prime but not now.
There is no QB I'd rather have right now than Carr due to players ages and potential. Cam I was liking more than Carr but last season showed his style of play will have him like Big Ben in no time.
I'd be a fan of carr even if he wasn't my QB. Favre was like that for me, just rooted for him every game he didn't play us. I'm also a fan of Wilson and was a fan of Colin K. but it looked like he quit on the Tomasula team so I started souring before the protest. I actually admire him more for what he did, but I totally understand it probably cost him his NFL career. Wish him Luck, oh and I don't like Luck more than Carr either.

Edit; HOMER!!!
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raidr4life wrote:
I got a question which QB's right now would you rank ahead of Carr if any?

Maybe, Brees, Ryan, Rodgers, Brady, Luck.


If I needed to win one game right now: Rodgers, Brady, Brees, maybe Rivers, maybe Luck, maybe Wilson

For going forward: no one.
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NightTrainLane wrote:
raidr4life wrote:
I got a question which QB's right now would you rank ahead of Carr if any?

Maybe, Brees, Ryan, Rodgers, Brady, Luck.


Going off of current performance I would put Brady Ryan Rodgers Brees Cousins and Luck a tier above him.

Wilson Prescott Bradford Stafford Manning Rivers Flacco and Palmer are on the same tier as Carr IMO.


I don't see anyway that Flacco, Manning, Palmer and Bradford are on the same tier as Carr. Like that genuinely confuses me. A lot of those guys have had seasons or times on par with Carr (though not at Carr's experience for the most part) but currently? Not at all. You can't honestly say it's a coin flip.on who you'd take currently with those guys and DC. That's what the same tier implies to me. That's almost disrespectful to say Bradford and Flacco are in the same general area as DC lol. Idc about a super bowl run years ago or a misleading completion percentage. Most od the numbers and the eye test says that Carr is on a different level playing the QB position than those guys currently and likely going forward.

I also think the arrow on Carr and guys like Brees and Rivers are pointing different directions. Both guys are all timers, but they're getting up there in age and Rivers in particular has had too many turnover prone seasons to say I'd put Rivers ahead of Carr right now. I think I could make a pretty solid argument for Carr being the 4th or 5th best QB in the NFL currently. And if we're talking from.this point forward there is literally nobody I would take over DC. He was that good last season and he's gotten better every year and frankly hasn't reached his prime like all those other guys have.
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