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HTTRG3Dynasty


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PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2017 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MrOaktown_56 wrote:
HTTRG3Dynasty wrote:
On that note, here were the best drafting teams since 2012 according to Career Approximate Value Plus/Minus:



It's definitely not a perfect way to measure draft class success (it's based on value, not how good a player actually is), but the correlation of teams with strong drafts from 2012 to 2016 to teams that are considered good teams today (and vice versa) looks to be pretty high in the above graphic, with a few outliers.

The article here goes in detail on the method used: http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/04/nfl-draft-performance-grades-best-drafting-teams-picks-classes-2012-2016


Packers, Seahawks, Raiders in the top 5. What do they have in common... Ron Wolf. Man must have been a genius. Was before my time.


Yea, Redskins too from 2014 up until this offseason. Wolf has had an insane GM tree.

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From 1994 through í96, five current NFL general managers worked in the Green Bay Packersí front office.

In retrospect, John Dorsey, John Schneider, Reggie McKenzie, Ted Thompson and Scot McCloughan were part of an uncommonly strong scouting staff working for former GM Ron Wolf as he rebuilt the Packers into Super Bowl champions.

A member of the teamís football staff at the time recently looked back on those days and described each of the scouts in a nutshell.

Dorsey was the hardest working of the group; Schneider the boldest; McKenzie skilled all around but the least outwardly opinionated; Thompson was organized and inscrutable.

And McCloughan, whose Washington team hosts the Packers on Sunday in the wild-card round of the NFL playoffs? The best pure talent evaluator.


http://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/dougherty/2016/01/06/former-packers-scout-revives-washington/78356722/
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MrOaktown_56


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PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2017 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HTTRG3Dynasty wrote:
MrOaktown_56 wrote:
HTTRG3Dynasty wrote:
On that note, here were the best drafting teams since 2012 according to Career Approximate Value Plus/Minus:



It's definitely not a perfect way to measure draft class success (it's based on value, not how good a player actually is), but the correlation of teams with strong drafts from 2012 to 2016 to teams that are considered good teams today (and vice versa) looks to be pretty high in the above graphic, with a few outliers.

The article here goes in detail on the method used: http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/04/nfl-draft-performance-grades-best-drafting-teams-picks-classes-2012-2016


Packers, Seahawks, Raiders in the top 5. What do they have in common... Ron Wolf. Man must have been a genius. Was before my time.


Yea, Redskins too from 2014 up until this offseason. Wolf has had an insane GM tree.

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From 1994 through í96, five current NFL general managers worked in the Green Bay Packersí front office.

In retrospect, John Dorsey, John Schneider, Reggie McKenzie, Ted Thompson and Scot McCloughan were part of an uncommonly strong scouting staff working for former GM Ron Wolf as he rebuilt the Packers into Super Bowl champions.

A member of the teamís football staff at the time recently looked back on those days and described each of the scouts in a nutshell.

Dorsey was the hardest working of the group; Schneider the boldest; McKenzie skilled all around but the least outwardly opinionated; Thompson was organized and inscrutable.

And McCloughan, whose Washington team hosts the Packers on Sunday in the wild-card round of the NFL playoffs? The best pure talent evaluator.


http://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/dougherty/2016/01/06/former-packers-scout-revives-washington/78356722/


Ah [inappropriate/removed] i forgot about mcloughan and dorsey too. All those guys are good to great GM's.
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Carr is 22-25,no playoff games, I'd take Flacco over him.To me it seems like Flacco is just where he belongs. Behind the Brady, Roethlisberger,Rivers,Rodgers,Wilson and ahead of Carr,Tannehill,Cousins,Palmer,Dalton,Luck
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PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2017 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JBURGE25 wrote:
Not sure if Dorsey uses the Wolf point system but the Chiefs are up there too, wonder if the 2012 draft was a detractor from his number or not

It was, substantially so. 2013 is also a drag, but a #1 pick is never a plus. Hence Fisher is one of the "worst" picks. Like many systems it works best in the middle and slips at the edges.

From the article: https://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/draftgrades_kg.jpg?w=1000&h=532

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 11:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

goldfishwars wrote:
25. Denver Broncos


Selections:
20. Garett Bolles [ OT ] Utah
51. DeMarcus Walker [ DE ] Florida State
82. Carlos Henderson [ WR ] Louisiana Tech
101. Brendan Langley [ CB ] Lamar
145. Jake Butt [ TE ] Michigan
172. Isaiah McKenzie [ WR ] Georgia
203. De'Angelo Henderson [ RB ] Coastal Carolina
253. Chad Kelly [ QB ] Ole Miss

Best Pick: Garett Bolles

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Do we need to talk about Chad Kelly? Probably not, seems like Elway is doing someone a solid.

I have said that the best pick of the draft was the last one. Kelley could be the Bronco's starting QB in 2018--or out of football. At the price, that is a great value.

In any event, more about Mr. Irrelevant through the years.
http://www.ranker.com/list/best-nfl-mr-irrelivants/kirksaw

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Onejay, wrong link bro Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

candyman93 wrote:
Onejay, wrong link bro Laughing


lol, link has been removed... Laughing
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TheVillain112 wrote:
candyman93 wrote:
Onejay, wrong link bro Laughing


lol, link has been removed... Laughing


I'm waiting for somebody to accidentally link to a por.....


I'll stop.
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