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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2017 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is my review of the 2017 NFL Draft. With the draft concluded here are the guys I believe were the best picks in each round.

Best Picks in 2017 NFL Draft

1st Round
1. WR Corey Davis (Titans) – Hall of Fame Talent; Perennial All-Pro; should be the best wide receiver in the NFL for the next 10 years; reminds me of Jerry Rice
2. DE Myles Garrett (Browns) – Hall of Fame Talent; Perennial All-Pro; should be the best defensive end in the NFL for the next 10 years; Bruce Smith clone
3. DL Solomon Thomas (49ers) – All-Pro Talent; should be one of the most disruptive interior defensive lineman in the NFL; reminds me of a mix between JJ Watt and Aaron Donald
4. LB Haason Reddick (Cardinals) – All-Pro Talent; has the potential to be a Von Miller type player; great off-line linebacker with great pass rushing potential
5. TE Evan Engram (Giants) – All-Pro Talent; should be the best receiving tight end in the NFL for the next 10 years; reminds me of Shannon Sharpe
6. DE Charles Harris (Dolphins) – All-Pro Talent; should be a dominant pass rushing defensive end; has a devastating spin move that is reminiscent of Dwight Freeney
7. LB Jarrad Davis (Lions) – All-Pro Talent; should be one of the best middle linebackers in the NFL for the next 10 years; reminds me of Patrick Willis
8. S Jamal Adams (Jets) – All-Pro Talent; should form the best safety duo in the NFL for the next 5-7 years alongside Marcus Maye; reminds me of Lawyer Milloy
9. S Malik Hooker (Colts) – Pro Bowl Talent; if he can stay healthy he will be a ball-hawking safety that can lead the NFL in interceptions
10. OLB TJ Watt (Steelers) – Pro Bowl Talent; has the potential to be a Clay Matthews type player
11. RB Christian McCaffrey (Panthers) – Pro Bowl Talent; should be what Reggie Bush was supposed to be in the NFL; dynamic runner and receiver
12. CB Marlon Humphrey (Ravens) – Pro Bowl Talent; the most physically gifted corner in this class
13. TE David Njoku (Browns) – Pro Bowl Talent; should be a dynamic receiving tight end

2nd Round
1. S Marcus Maye (Jets) – All-Pro Talent; should form the best safety duo in the NFL for the next 5-7 years alongside Jamal Adams; reminds me of Brian Dawkins
2. S Marcus Williams (Saints) – All-Pro Talent; should be one of the best ball-hawking safeties in the NFL for the next 10 years
3. WR JuJu Smith-Schuster (Steelers) – Pro Bowl Talent; reminds me of a mix of Dez Bryant and Anquan Boldin
4. RB Joe Mixon (Bengals) – Pro Bowl Talent; probably the most talented all-around RB in this class
5. S Budda Baker (Cardinals) – Solid Starter with Pro Bowl Potential
6. WR Zay Jones (Bills) – Solid Starter with Pro Bowl Potential
7. OLB Tyus Bowser (Ravens) – Solid Starter with Pro Bowl Potential
8. CB Chidobe Awuzie (Cowboys) – Solid Starter with Pro Bowl Potential
9. S Justin Evans (Buccaneers) – Solid Starter with Pro Bowl Potential
10. CB Teez Tabor (Lions) – Solid Starter with Pro Bowl Potential
11. TE Gerald Everett (Rams) – Solid Starter with Pro Bowl Potential; reminds me of Jordan Reed
12. CB Quincy Wilson (Colts) – Solid Starter with Pro Bowl Potential
13. OT Taylor Moton (Panthers) – Solid Starter with Pro Bowl Potential

3rd Round
1. CB Cameron Sutton (Steelers) – All-Pro Talent; best pure cover corner in this class; should be one of the best cornerbacks in the NFL for the next 10 years
2. RB Alvin Kamara (Saints) – All-Pro Talent; potential 1,000 yard rusher and 1,000 yard receiver in the same season; Marshall Faulk clone
3. RB James Conner (Steelers) – Pro Bowl Talent; reminds me of former Steelers legend Franco Harris
4. S John Johnson (Rams) – Pro Bowl Talent; one of my favorite under the radar prospects this entire cycle; he’ll be a great NFL player for a long time
5. CB Jourdan Lewis (Cowboys) – Pro Bowl Talent; second best cover corner in this draft
6. OLB Derek Rivers (Patriots) – Pro Bowl Talent; reminds me of Cameron Wake
7. DE Tarell Basham (Colts) – Pro Bowl Talent; reminds of Whitney Mercilus
8. TE Jonnu Smith (Titans) – Solid Starter with Pro Bowl Potential; reminds me of teammate Delanie Walker
9. DT Larry Ogunjobi (Browns) – Solid Starter with Pro Bowl Potential
10. WR Amara Darboh (Seahawks) – Solid Starter with Pro Bowl Potential
11. CB Ahkello Witherspoon (49ers) – Solid Starter with Pro Bowl Potential
12. WR Kenny Golladay (Lions) – Solid Starter with Pro Bowl Potential
13. DT Eddie Vanderdoes (Raiders) – Solid Starter with Pro Bowl Potential
14. WR Chad Williams (Cardinals) – Solid Starter
15. WR Carlos Henderson (Broncos) – Solid Starter
16. LB Alex Anzalone (Saints) – Solid Starter
17. WR Taywan Taylor (Titans) – Solid Starter
18. DE Jordan Willis (Bengals) – Solid Starter
19. DT Nazair Jones (Seahawks) – Potential Starter

4th Round
1. QB Joshua Dobbs (Steelers) – All-Pro Talent; has the potential to be one of the best QBs in NFL for the next 10-15 years; Randall Cunningham clone with elite intangibles
2. RB Samaje Perine (Redskins) – Solid Starter with Pro Bowl Potential
3. RB Jamaal Williams (Packers) – Solid Starter with Pro Bowl Potential
4. WR Ryan Switzer (Cowboys) – Solid Starter; reminds me of Wayne Chrebet
5. S Eddie Jackson (Bears) – Solid Starter
6. S Tedric Thompson (Seahawks) – Potential Starter
7. WR Josh Reynolds (Rams) – Potential Starter
8. RB Tarik Cohen (Bears) – Potential Starter with elite returner potential; possibly a better Darren Sproles

5th Round
1. CB Damontae Kazee (Falcons) – Solid Starter with Pro Bowl Potential; ball-hawk that reminds me of Asante Samuel
2. TE Jake Butt (Broncos) – Solid Starter with Pro Bowl Potential
3. G Jordan Morgan (Bears) – Solid Starter
4. WR Isaiah McKenzie (Broncos) – Potential Starter with elite returner potential; reminds me of Tyler Lockett
5. WR Trent Taylor (49ers) – Potential Starter; reminds me of Cole Beasley
6. S Nathan Gerry (Eagles) – Potential Starter
7. LB Ukeme Eligwe (Chiefs) – Potential Starter
8. TE Jeremy Sprinkle (Redskins) – Potential Starter
9. LB Anthony Walker Jr. (Colts) – Potential Starter
10. WR Shelton Gibson (Eagles) – Potential Starter
11. TE Eric Saubert (Falcons) – Potential Starter


6th Round
1. QB Brad Kaaya (Lions) – Pro Bowl Talent; reminds me of Matt Ryan
2. S Xavier Woods (Cowboys) – Solid Starter with Pro Bowl Potential
3. WR Robert Davis (Redskins) – Potential Starter
4. DT Vincent Taylor (Dolphins) – Potential Starter
5. DT Caleb Brantley (Browns) – Potential Starter
6. RB Elijah McGuire (Jets) – Potential Starter
7. DE Al-Quadin Muhammad (Saints) – Potential Starter

7th Round
1. Matthew Dayes (Browns) – Solid Starter; reminds me of Kevin Faulk
2. Joey Ivey (Cowboys) – Potential Starter
3. Malachi Dupree (Packers) – Potential Starter
4. Elijah Hood (Raiders) – Potential Starter
5. Keion Adams (Steelers) – Potential Starter

Undrafted Free Agents
1. CB Sojourn Shelton (Cardinals) – Solid Starter with Pro Bowl Potential; reminds me of Brandon Flowers
2. RB Matt Breida (49ers) – Solid Starter with Pro Bowl Potential; reminds me of Cadillac Williams
3. WR Fred Ross (Panthers) – Potential Starter
4. QB Trevor Knight (Cardinals) – Potential Starter (in 3-4 years); needs a lot of work but I like the potential; reminds me of Jeff Garcia
5. LB Dylan Cole (Texans) – Potential Starter
6. TE Cole Hikutini (49ers) – Potential Starter
7. WR Quincy Adeboyejo (Ravens) – Potential Starter
8. WR Dominique Reed (Texans) – Potential Starter


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Here are the teams I felt had the best drafts.

Top 10 Draft Classes

1. Pittsburgh Steelers - I honestly believe the Steelers have potentially landed one of the best draft classes in modern NFL history. I absolutely loved their first 5 picks. All 5 have the potential to be all-pro/pro-bowl caliber players. Before the draft, I had JuJu Smith-Schuster rated as my #2 ranked WR, Cameron Sutton rated as my #1 ranked CB, James Conner as my #2 ranked RB, and Joshua Dobbs as my #1 ranked QB. To land all 4 of those players who I felt were worthy of being selected in the 1st round as well as TJ Watt who has pro-bowl talent if he can stay healthy is simply amazing. Don't be surprised if these 5 players form the core of a team that competes for multiple super bowls in the next 5-10 years. Beyond the first 5 picks, the Steelers also did a great job late in the draft. Brian Allen and Keion Adams show the physical traits to potentially develop into starting caliber NFL players. And that is honestly the best you can ask for late in the 5th and 7th round. Both guys are great athletes, now its on the coaches to see if they can develop them into decent NFL players.

2. Detroit Lions - This is a sneaky great draft class. I absolutely loved the pick of Jarrad Davis in the 1st round. He's been my top middle linebacker in this class for a long time. I believe he can develop into an All-Pro caliber linebacker. He reminds me a lot of Patrick Willis. I don't know if he'll be a first ballot hall of famer, but he should be a standout middle linebacker for the next 10 years. I also loved the picks they made on defense with Teez Tabor and Jalen Reeves-Maybin. Despite the slow 40, I still believe Teez Tabor can develop into a pro-bowl caliber CB. He's a perfect fit in Detroit's zone scheme and should be an instant starter. Jalen Reeves-Maybin is an undersized linebacker with some limitations but he is athletic and smart. He's another perfect fit in Detroit's scheme. He should develop into a solid starting weak-side linebacker. My favorite pick in the draft for the Lions was Kenny Golladay. He is another mid-round pick that I believe can also develop into a reliable starter and potentially a pro-bowler. He's got prototype measurables with an elite combination of size and speed. And finally maybe the biggest steal in this entire draft is Brad Kaaya falling to the 6th round. I've been high on him during this entire draft process. I had him rated as my #2 ranked QB in this class after Joshua Dobbs. And I believe he can develop into a Matt Ryan type QB. Obviously he won't start anytime soon playing behind Matt Stafford who is still young and obviously good. However, I think he landed in a good landing spot to develop because there will be no expectations for him to be anything more than a backup QB. Matt Stafford gets hurt a lot and I believe if he has to miss time over the next couple of years, Brad Kaaya will come in and play well enough to get a shot as a starter either in Detroit or somewhere else. This draft should help turn Detroit into a serious super bowl contender in the coming years.

3. New Orleans Saints - I didn't like their first 2 picks. Lattimore and Ramcyzk might turn out to be solid NFL players but neither struck me as potential stars in the NFL and I believe there were better players on the board that they could have selected. But I absolutely loved what they did from the 2nd round on. I had Marcus Williams rated as good as Malik Hooker so getting him in the second round when Hooker went in the top 15 was an absolute steal. I believe Williams has the potential to be an all-pro safety and one of the best center-fielders in the NFL. My favorite pick for the Saints in this draft was the selection of Alvin Kamara in the 3rd round. Talk about the perfect marriage. Kamara's skills are perfectly suited for what Sean Payton wants to do. I compared Alvin Kamara to Marshall Faulk early in the draft process. Going to New Orleans on that turf with Sean Payton gives him a good chance of living up to that comparison. When it comes to the rest of their picks, I believe Alex Anzalone, Trey Hendrickson, and Al-Quadin Muhammad all have the potential to be solid starters in this league. All around great draft by the Saints that should set them up to be a big time contender in the NFC for the next few years. Don't be surprised if the Saints have a season in 2017 like the Falcons had in 2016 with all these rookies on defense making big-time contributions for them.

4. Arizona Cardinals - I absolutely loved their first 2 picks. I believe Haason Reddick has All-Pro potential and he is currently my favorite to win Defensive Rookie of the Year next season. Budda Baker is another instant impact player with Pro Bowl potential. He reminds me of the Honey Badger. Their third round pick Chad Williams is one of my favorite sleepers in this draft class. I believe he can develop into a solid starting wide receiver in the league. What puts the Cardinals draft over the top for me is what they did in undrafted free agency. Sojourn Shelton and Trevor Knight were my top sleepers at the CB and QB position. To get both of them in camp is an absolute steal IMO. I don't know if Knight will make their team, but I believe if they can stay patient he can develop into a better pro QB than he was a college QB. I am however confident Shelton will make the team. He reminds me a lot of Brandon Flowers in terms of size and playing style. Don't be surprised if he's one of the top undrafted free agents from this class 4-5 years down the road.

5. Tennessee Titans - This is all about Corey Davis. I am such a huge fan of this kid as evidenced by the fact I've been comparing him to Jerry Rice for a while now. I believe he might be the best overall player in this draft class. I've been saying Myles Garrett is the clear-cut #1 player in this class throughout the entire process but I now believe landing in Tennessee might give Corey Davis the edge long-term. He landed in the absolute best landing spot for him. With that offensive line giving Mariota protection and a dominant run game, Corey Davis will be able to step right in and dominate as a #1 wide receiver. Don't be surprised if he has an Ezekiel Elliott type of season next year as a rookie. I wouldn't be surprised if he's one of the league leaders in receiving yards and TDs next year. He's that good and Tennessee is that good of a fit. Beyond Davis, I loved the picks of Taywan Taylor and Jonnu Smith. Both should be really good starters with the potential to be Pro Bowlers down the road. Taywan Taylor is the ideal slot receiver and Jonnu Smith is a lot like his teammate Delanie Walker. Jon Robinson has done a great job building this roster. I have got the Tennessee Titans making the playoffs next year if Mariota can stay healthy.

6. Cleveland Browns - Loved the pick of Myles Garrett 1st overall. It was a no-brainer. He should be the best defensive end in the NFL for the next 10 years. He reminds me of Bruce Smith. Beyond Garrett they did a decent job drafting good players throughout the draft. They had more picks than everyone else and given the fact this was such a loaded draft, they should have landed one of the best classes. David Njoku was a great pick at the bottom of the 1st round. He should develop into a pro-bowl caliber tight end. I really liked the selection of Larry Ogunjobi in the third round. He is a guy who can be an instant starter that develops into a pro-bowler down the road. I also liked the pick of Matt Dayes in the 7th round. He was my top sleeper at the RB position and although I don't think he can be #1 RB on a team, he can be a Kevin Faulk type weapon that is a change of pace back on 3rd down. The only negative about this class is that they still haven't found their QB of the future. I personally don't think DeShone Kizer has what it takes to be a good QB in the NFL. So while this draft will make the Browns a respectable team going forward, I don't think they will become a playoff team until they find a starting QB.

7. Dallas Cowboys - The Cowboys needed defensive back help in the worst way so they drafted a trio defensive backs. And man did they do a great job. I thought they absolutely hit it out of the park with the selections of Jourdan Lewis, Chidobe Awuzie, and 6th round steal Xavier Woods. I loved all 3 players before the draft. And I believe all 3 should be immediate starters with the long-term potential to be pro-bowl caliber players. I didn't love the pick of Taco Charlton. There were several edge rushers that were better still on the board like Tarell Basham, Derek Rivers, and Jordan Willis, however, he can still turn into a decent starter. Late round picks Ryan Switzer and Joey Ivey also have starter potential. All-around great draft by the Cowboys. Along with last year's stellar draft class, the Cowboys have set themselves up to be a Super Bowl contender for the next 5 years.

8. Indianapolis Colts - One of the best defensive drafts in the league this year. My favorite pick in their class was Tarell Basham in the 3rd round. I thought he was a 1st round caliber prospect so getting him in the 3rd round is an absolute steal. I believe he develops into a pro-bowl caliber defensive end/outside linebacker. He reminds me a lot of Houston Texans standout pass rusher Whitney Mercilus. I also liked the pick of Malik Hooker. His talent as a single-high center fielding safety is just outstanding. He has a chance to lead the league in interceptions. I also liked the pick of Quincy Wilson. He should be an immediate starter. I liken his game to Jalen Ramsey. He'll be a very good press corner in the league. Anthony Walker Jr. is another defensive player from this class that I believe has the potential to develop into a starter. Colts may not have done anything to improve their offensive line but they did improve their defense substantially.

9. San Francisco 49ers - Solomon Thomas is the obvious star of this class. He's one of the more unique players I've seen in recent years. I couldn't really get a good comparison for him because he's such a unique player so I went with a mix of JJ Watt and Aaron Donald. He's not quite as tall as JJ Watt but he's also not quite as short as Aaron Donald. He's almost at a happy medium between the two. But he is just as explosive as them when it comes to rushing the passer. I believe Solomon Thomas will develop into the best interior pass rusher in the league. He should be a dominant player for the next 10 years. Along with Thomas, I also loved the pick of Ahkello Witherspoon. He needs some time to develop but he's a heck of an athlete with tremendous range and natural hips. He should turn into a solid starting corner with the potential to be a pro-bowl caliber player. Trent Taylor was a solid pick late in the draft. He's basically a Cole Beasley type player. He'll be a starting slot receiver in the league and he'll make plenty of plays on 3rd down. The only pick I didn't like was Reuben Foster. I know a lot of other people like him but I just don't trust him. His small size, injury history, and off field issues made him a no go for me. Outside of the draft, I thought the Niners did a great job in undrafted free agency. Like the Cardinals, they picked up 2 players that I liked and thought should have been drafted. Matt Breida was a guy who I thought would get draft in day 3 so I was surprised when I saw he didn't get drafted. His tape looked an awful lot like Cadillac Williams (former Auburn RB). And he also tested really well at his pro-day. I believe he has a good chance to be a starting caliber RB in the NFL. Another undrafted free agent I liked that signed with the Niners is Cole Hikutini. He looked like a mid-round draft pick to me so I was also surprised to see him go undrafted. I expect him to make the team and get playing time. He has the potential to be a decent receiving tight end in the league.

10. New York Jets - This is honestly all about Jamal Adams and Marcus Maye. I really didn't like any of their other picks but getting Adams and Maye (two guys who I believe have All-Pro potential) is all they needed to do to get into my top 10. Talk about a perfect pairing. Both these guys compliment each other very well. I am gonna say it again, this pairing has a chance to be the best safety combination in the NFL for the next 5-7 years. Both players have the potential to be the best at their position similar to how Kam Chancellor and Earl Thomas were the best at their position for several years. New York Jets have solved the back-end of their secondary for the next decade.

Best of the Rest

 Los Angeles Rams: loved the picks of Gerald Everett and John Johnson....both have pro-bowl potential.....Josh Reynolds should also develop into a decent starter
 Cincinnati Bengals: Joe Mixon, Jordan Willis, and Carl Lawson were all great picks.....John Ross can be special if he stays healthy......Josh Malone should be a legitimate deep threat
 Baltimore Ravens: Marlon Humphrey and Tyus Bowser are absolute studs.....both have pro-bowl potential.....Tim Williams should be a decent pass rusher on 3rd down
 Chicago Bears: much maligned draft class that is actually a lot better than people think.....beyond Trubisky who may or may not be good, Ryan Pace did a good job with picks like Tarik Cohen, Eddie Jackson, Jordan Morgan, and Adam Shaheen.....all 4 should be solid starters and major contributors for several years


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5. TE Evan Engram (Giants) – All-Pro Talent; should be the best receiving tight end in the NFL for the next 10 years; reminds me of Shannon Sharpe

Couldn't have said it any better.
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I decided to clean up my earlier post by grouping the players I liked into 3 groups. The first group are the players I expect to develop into All-Pros. The second group are players I expect to develop into Pro Bowlers. And finally, the third group are players I would classify as sleepers. These are players who were drafted in rounds 3-7 or UFAs who I don't think will be All-Pros or Pro Bowlers but nonetheless will develop into solid starters or at the very least valuable contributors.

All-Pro Players
QB Joshua Dobbs (Steelers)
RB Alvin Kamara (Saints)
WR Corey Davis (Titans)
TE Evan Engram (Giants)
DE Myles Garrett (Browns)
DE Charles Harris (Dolphins)
DL Solomon Thomas (49ers)
LB Haason Reddick (Cardinals)
LB Jarrad Davis (Lions)
CB Cameron Sutton (Steelers)
S Marcus Maye (Jets)
S Jamal Adams (Jets)
S Marcus Williams (Saints)

Pro Bowl Players
QB Brad Kaaya (Lions)
RB James Conner (Steelers)
RB Joe Mixon (Bengals)
RB Christian McCaffrey (Panthers)
RB Jamaal Williams (Packers)
RB Samaje Perine (Redskins)
WR JuJu Smith-Schuster (Steelers)
WR Amara Darboh (Seahawks)
WR Zay Jones (Bills)
WR Kenny Golladay (Lions)
TE David Njoku (Browns)
TE Gerald Everett (Rams)
TE Jonnu Smith (Titans)
TE Jake Butt (Broncos)
OT Taylor Moton (Panthers)
DE Tarell Basham (Colts)
OLB Derek Rivers (Patriots)
OLB TJ Watt (Steelers)
OLB Tyus Bowser (Ravens)
DT Larry Ogunjobi (Browns)
DT Eddie Vanderdoes (Raiders)
CB Marlon Humphrey (Ravens)
CB Jourdan Lewis (Cowboys)
CB Sojourn Shelton (Cardinals)
CB Damontae Kazee (Falcons)
CB Teez Tabor (Lions)
CB Ahkello Witherspoon (49ers)
CB Chidobe Awuzie (Cowboys)
CB Quincy Wilson (Colts)
S John Johnson (Rams)
S Malik Hooker (Colts)
S Budda Baker (Cardinals)
S Xavier Woods (Cowboys)
S Justin Evans (Buccaneers)

Sleepers (players taken in Round 3 or later who can develop into solid starters or contributors)
QB Trevor Knight (Cardinals)
RB Matt Breida (49ers)
RB Tariq Cohen (Bears)
RB Matt Dayes (Browns)
RB Elijah McGuire (Jets)
RB Elijah Hood (Raiders)
WR Chad Williams (Cardinals)
WR Fred Ross (Panthers)
WR Carlos Henderson (Broncos)
WR Robert Davis (Redskins)
WR Taywan Taylor (Titans)
WR Ryan Switzer (Cowboys)
WR Malachi Dupree (Packers)
WR Josh Reynolds (Rams)
WR Josh Malone (Bengals)
WR Isaiah McKenzie (Broncos)
WR Trent Taylor (49ers)
WR Shelton Gibson (Eagles)
WR Quincy Adeboyejo (Ravens)
WR Dominique Reed (Texans)
TE Cole Hikutini (49ers)
TE Jeremy Sprinkle (Redskins)
TE Eric Saubert (Falcons)
G Jordan Morgan (Bears)
DE Jordan Willis (Bengals)
DE Carl Lawson (Bengals)
DE Al-Quadin Muhammad (Saints)
OLB Keion Adams (Steelers)
DT Nazair Jones (Seahawks)
DT Vincent Taylor (Dolphins)
DT Caleb Brantley (Browns)
DT Joey Ivey (Cowboys)
LB Alex Anzalone (Saints)
LB Dylan Cole (Texans)
LB Ukeme Eligwe (Chiefs)
LB Anthony Walker Jr. (Colts)
LB Jalen Reeves-Maybin (Lions)
CB Brendan Langley (Broncos)
CB Brian Allen (Steelers)
S Eddie Jackson (Bears)
S Nathan Gerry (Eagles)
S Tedric Thompson (Seahawks)


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Not going to rag on you for your player rankings but some of your comparisons make no sense. Evan Engram and Vernon Davis? Davis can block.
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MemphisEagles wrote:
Not going to rag on you for your player rankings but some of your comparisons make no sense. Evan Engram and Vernon Davis? Davis can block.

Find a better comparison for a 6'3" 236 TE prospect who runs a 4.42. Engram isn't as naturally powerful but Engram can block, he's just not a mover and will most definitely improve. This notion that Engram cannot block is absurd. Watch his sophomore and junior cuts when he was 225 or so pounds. He was out there competing and winning.
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CalhounLambeau wrote:
MemphisEagles wrote:
Not going to rag on you for your player rankings but some of your comparisons make no sense. Evan Engram and Vernon Davis? Davis can block.

Find a better comparison for a 6'3" 236 TE prospect who runs a 4.42. Engram isn't as naturally powerful but Engram can block, he's just not a mover and will most definitely improve. This notion that Engram cannot block is absurd. Watch his sophomore and junior cuts when he was 225 or so pounds. He was out there competing and winning.


Engram is a good blocker for his size, but he's not a good blocker. There aren't really any comparisons for him, a WR might make a better option, but Vernon Davis was a great blocker. The two aren't the same.

And that isn't the only weak comparison. Samuel and Kazee? Samuel wasn't stiff in his backpedal, and Kazee can play in the slot and tackle. They're just both ballhawks. It's like Vans found one trait in common, be it size/speed for Engram or ballhawking for Kazee, and then just acted like that prospect has every trait.

And another thing. It's one thing to acknowledge the consensus isn't always right and you're going to have sixth rounders be the best at their position. HOWEVER, that is unusual. For the most part, the best players are picked earlier. I have a very hard time buying that most of the best players at each position weren't one of the top guys taken.
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MemphisEagles wrote:
CalhounLambeau wrote:
MemphisEagles wrote:
Not going to rag on you for your player rankings but some of your comparisons make no sense. Evan Engram and Vernon Davis? Davis can block.

Find a better comparison for a 6'3" 236 TE prospect who runs a 4.42. Engram isn't as naturally powerful but Engram can block, he's just not a mover and will most definitely improve. This notion that Engram cannot block is absurd. Watch his sophomore and junior cuts when he was 225 or so pounds. He was out there competing and winning.


Engram is a good blocker for his size, but he's not a good blocker. There aren't really any comparisons for him, a WR might make a better option, but Vernon Davis was a great blocker. The two aren't the same.

And that isn't the only weak comparison. Samuel and Kazee? Samuel wasn't stiff in his backpedal, and Kazee can play in the slot and tackle. They're just both ballhawks. It's like Vans found one trait in common, be it size/speed for Engram or ballhawking for Kazee, and then just acted like that prospect has every trait.

And another thing. It's one thing to acknowledge the consensus isn't always right and you're going to have sixth rounders be the best at their position. HOWEVER, that is unusual. For the most part, the best players are picked earlier. I have a very hard time buying that most of the best players at each position weren't one of the top guys taken.


You are right, the draft itself is definitely telling as to whom pro scouts, GM's and HC's thought the best prospects were, at least as prospects. How they turnout as pros will be decided on the playing field, but for right now you have to take the draft at face value and concur that this is how they were ranked and deserved to be drafted. Any other opinion is just ridiculous and of little value.

IMO, this assessment has very little value when it comes to reality.
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PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2017 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I remember correctly VD was a pretty bad blocker as rookie and in his early years. He had to work pretty damn hard at becoming the successful blocker he is today, obviously he had some natural power and strength to work with but I believe he was very much a work in progress in regards to blocking early in his career.
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MemphisEagles wrote:
Not going to rag on you for your player rankings but some of your comparisons make no sense. Evan Engram and Vernon Davis? Davis can block.


I only compared him to Vernon because of his freakish 40 time.

In terms of actual size and playing style I see more Shannon Sharpe.

some of my player comps are a work in progress. For example, early on I had Derek Rivers comp as Shawne Merriman. Now I think Cameron Wake is more appropriate.
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MemphisEagles wrote:
And another thing. It's one thing to acknowledge the consensus isn't always right and you're going to have sixth rounders be the best at their position. HOWEVER, that is unusual. For the most part, the best players are picked earlier. I have a very hard time buying that most of the best players at each position weren't one of the top guys taken.


I think this draft is a little different than most. It was super deep with a ton of really talented players that people had ranked with about the same grade. And that caused some guys to drop way lower than they would in a more normal draft. For example, almost everyone had Brad Kaaya projected to be a late day 2/early day 3 pick. Him falling to the 6th round is a surprise. I don't view that fall as a sign that his value was lower than people thought before the draft. I just took it as this being a super deep draft in which everyone had different guys ranked in different spots. So what happened is everyone thought they had guys they had rated higher falling to them round after round and that led to guys like Kaaya with really good talent falling to the 6th round.

I think you'll be surprised how many guys taken in the 3rd round (for example) will outperform guys taken in round 1. And how many guys taken in the 5th round that will outperform guys taken in round 4.

This was an exceptional draft. I think it'll have an impact on the NFL similar to 2007, 2010, and 2011.
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