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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2017 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. Cleveland Browns



Selections:
1. Myles Garrett [ DE ] Texas A&M
25. Jabrill Peppers [ S ] Michigan
29. David Njoku [ TE ] Miami (FL)
52. DeShone Kizer [ QB ] Notre Dame
65. Larry Ogunjobi [ DT ] Charlotte
126. Howard Wilson [ CB ] Houston
160. Roderick Johnson [ OT ] Florida State
185. Caleb Brantley [ DT ] Florida
224. Zane Gonzalez [ K ] Arizona State
252. Matthew Dayes [ RB ] NC State

Best Pick: DeShone Kizer
Assuming the Garrett pick was a no-brainer, the Browns didn’t exactly go all out to land their future passer if that’s what Kizer turns out to be. Three picks were made before they finally pulled the trigger at the position, no dramatic trades up, no selling their future down in exchange and with him costing a 2nd round pick there’s no long-term commitment. It’s almost the opposite approach to what the Bears, Texans and Chiefs have done and yet, there’s not a world of difference between him and the three prospects selected a round before him. His physical talents are as good as anything in the class and his 2015 is better than any tape out there. But last year saw a big regression, to the point we’re not sure if Hue Jackson has a minor repair job on his hands or a complete rebuild. It’ll be fascinating to see what happens from here, but they’re not wedded to the outcome.

Most Questionable Pick: Jabrill Peppers
Obviously they traded back from 12 to 25 to get next year’s 1st from Houston and settled for Peppers here at 25. He became one of the draft’s enigmas with the Heisman hype surrounding him coming into the year and then there was a lot of smoke and mirrors with how he was deployed in a defensive position that doesn’t really exist in the NFL. Obviously he’s an uber athlete and that appears to be the one thing the new regime values in the first round. He’s also got the ‘fantastic locker room guy’ reputation, which always helps. There’s just a lot of unanswered questions around what he’s going to be at the next level. It'll be interesting to see where he ends up playing.

Steal: Caleb Brantley
Now the legal situation over the alleged assault doesn’t appear to be going any further, this looks very much like the Browns landed a day two prospect in the 6th round. Brantley looked naturally explosive and powerful at Florida, with a first step that took him into the backfield in a hurry, but the athletic testing does not back that up which is a mild concern. With the Ogunjobi pick, this potentially gives the Browns two explosive interior lineman to pair with Danny Shelton on that new look line.

Overview:
The Browns came into the draft with 11 selections and two first round picks. They finished the draft making 11 selections, with 3 first round picks and Houston’s first round pick next year. They continue to find trades where other teams come out complaining they couldn't move out of their spot, it's fascinating. When Sashi Brown and Paul DePodesta arrived on the scene and said they were taking a fresh approach they basically meant they were going to borrow from Jimmy Johnson’s ‘collect draft picks’ from 25 years ago. Nobody has manipulated the board and made full use of the draft capital at their disposal like they have, but you still have to pick good players at the end of that to make it worthwhile.

So Myles Garrett then, can he break the long curse of failed Browns draft picks? There’s absolutely not much to cover here that hasn’t been covered, he answered some of the lingering doubts over his athleticism with a knock out performance at the combine. I just can’t remember the last time the Browns had a dominant pass-rusher (has it ever happened), so this is great for them because you couldn’t draw up a specimen more ready to wreck offensive gameplans from the edge. The only concerns is what a nice guy he is and that’s a pretty ridiculous concern to have.

Many thought the trade up at 29 would have been to land Kizer, but clearly David Njokou was the object of their affections. The Browns recently released Gary Barnidge and could do with a reliable target over the middle. At 20 years old, he’s got enormous room for growth to go along with his enormous athletic ability and wingspan. With only one productive season behind him at Miami, he’s going to take time to develop. But he’s already a willing blocker, unlike some of the other ‘tight end’ prospects and there’s huge potential for him to become a consistent nightmare down the seams. I this I liked the Larry Ogunjobi at 65 given there’s not much around on him. What tape there is shows someone overwhelming blockers who can’t live with his combination of speed and power. We’ll have to see how much of that translates quickly in the NFL. He’s also a polymath level genius off the field which may or may not be important, but it’s something to like.

I really liked the Howard Wilson pick at 126 and it’s a real shame that he’s fractured his knee cap, although the team are still hopeful he can play this year. Houston has become a weird breeding ground for NFL corners and he got a little lost in the mix despite having a little bit of everything in his locker. We’ll see how this year goes because Cleveland need bodies in that secondary. I wasn’t huge on Roderick Johnson as the early day two pick range he was getting mocked in, but I don’t mind him at pick 160. Physically he has everything you want to see in an NFL right tackle, but he’s been sloppy and clumsy too often. Perhaps he can get coached up here.

Of the remaining picks, Zane Gonzalez is a kicker and they need a kicker. He’s been a reliable kicker so I hear. Matt Dayes has a decent enough all round game, he’s a smaller back at 5’8 and 210. He can catch and pass protect, but I don’t know if there’s anything special about him to believe he could be a feature back down the line.
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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2017 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Browns are going to have a good pass rush sooner than soon with Brantley, Garrett, Ogbah, and Orchard. Too much talent along that front four. Shelton isn't much of a rusher but he can anchor doubles. Peppers/Haden are good pieces in the secondary and only a couple of pieces away on defense from being complete.
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Man, sorry that took forever.
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The Browns killed it. That has the potential to be a franchise-changing draft
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goldfishwars wrote:
Man, sorry that took forever.


Just don't let it happen again or we'll ask for a refund
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The Browns draft inspire the draft of the decade thread. The answer in that one surprised me, partly because the ability to score in the late rounds separates the good from the great. We will see how this stacks up. If Kizer turns out to be a serviceable pro for 5-7 years, they killed it.

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Here are the teams I felt had the best drafts.

Top 10 Draft Classes

1. Pittsburgh Steelers - I honestly believe the Steelers have potentially landed one of the best draft classes in modern NFL history. I absolutely loved their first 5 picks. All 5 have the potential to be all-pro/pro-bowl caliber players. Before the draft, I had JuJu Smith-Schuster rated as my #2 ranked WR, Cameron Sutton rated as my #1 ranked CB, James Conner as my #2 ranked RB, and Joshua Dobbs as my #1 ranked QB. To land all 4 of those players who I felt were worthy of being selected in the 1st round as well as TJ Watt who has pro-bowl talent if he can stay healthy is simply amazing. Don't be surprised if these 5 players form the core of a team that competes for multiple super bowls in the next 5-10 years. Beyond the first 5 picks, the Steelers also did a great job late in the draft. Brian Allen and Keion Adams show the physical traits to potentially develop into starting caliber NFL players. And that is honestly the best you can ask for late in the 5th and 7th round. Both guys are great athletes, now its on the coaches to see if they can develop them into decent NFL players.

2. New Orleans Saints - I didn't like their first 2 picks. Lattimore and Ramcyzk might turn out to be solid NFL players but neither struck me as potential stars in the NFL and I believe there were better players on the board that they could have selected. But I absolutely loved what they did from the 2nd round on. I had Marcus Williams rated as good as Malik Hooker so getting him in the second round when Hooker went in the top 15 was an absolute steal. I believe Williams has the potential to be an all-pro safety and one of the best center-fielders in the NFL. My favorite pick for the Saints in this draft was the selection of Alvin Kamara in the 3rd round. Talk about the perfect marriage. Kamara's skills are perfectly suited for what Sean Payton wants to do. I compared Alvin Kamara to Marshall Faulk early in the draft process. Going to New Orleans on that turf with Sean Payton gives him a good chance of living up to that comparison. When it comes to the rest of their picks, I believe Alex Anzalone, Trey Hendrickson, and Al-Quadin Muhammad all have the potential to be solid starters in this league. All around great draft by the Saints that should set them up to be a big time contender in the NFC for the next few years. Don't be surprised if the Saints have a season in 2017 like the Falcons had in 2016 with all these rookies on defense making big-time contributions for them.

3. Arizona Cardinals - I absolutely loved their first 2 picks. I believe Haason Reddick has All-Pro potential and he is currently my favorite to win Defensive Rookie of the Year next season. Budda Baker is another instant impact player with Pro Bowl potential. He reminds me of the Honey Badger. Their third round pick Chad Williams is one of my favorite sleepers in this draft class. I believe he can develop into a solid starting wide receiver in the league. What puts the Cardinals draft over the top for me is what they did in undrafted free agency. Sojourn Shelton and Trevor Knight were my top sleepers at the CB and QB position. To get both of them in camp is an absolute steal IMO. I don't know if Knight will make their team, but I believe if they can stay patient he can develop into a better pro QB than he was a college QB. I am however confident Shelton will make the team. He reminds me a lot of Brandon Flowers in terms of size and playing style. Don't be surprised if he's one of the top undrafted free agents from this class 4-5 years down the road.

4. Tennessee Titans - This is all about Corey Davis. I am such a huge fan of this kid as evidenced by the fact I've been comparing him to Jerry Rice for a while now. I believe he might be the best overall player in this draft class. I've been saying Myles Garrett is the clear-cut #1 player in this class throughout the entire process but I now believe landing in Tennessee might give Corey Davis the edge long-term. He landed in the absolute best landing spot for him. With that offensive line giving Mariota protection and a dominant run game, Corey Davis will be able to step right in and dominate as a #1 wide receiver. Don't be surprised if he has an Ezekiel Elliott type of season next year as a rookie. I wouldn't be surprised if he's one of the league leaders in receiving yards and TDs next year. He's that good and Tennessee is that good of a fit. Beyond Davis, I loved the picks of Taywan Taylor and Jonnu Smith. Both should be really good starters with the potential to be Pro Bowlers down the road. Taywan Taylor is the ideal slot receiver and Jonnu Smith is a lot like his teammate Delanie Walker. Jon Robinson has done a great job building this roster. I have got the Tennessee Titans making the playoffs next year if Mariota can stay healthy.

5. Cleveland Browns - Loved the pick of Myles Garrett 1st overall. It was a no-brainer. He should be the best defensive end in the NFL for the next 10 years. He reminds me of Bruce Smith. Beyond Garrett they did a decent job drafting good players throughout the draft. They had more picks than everyone else and given the fact this was such a loaded draft, they should have landed one of the best classes. David Njoku was a great pick at the bottom of the 1st round. He should develop into a pro-bowl caliber tight end. I really liked the selection of Larry Ogunjobi in the third round. He is a guy who can be an instant starter that develops into a pro-bowler down the road. I also liked the pick of Matt Dayes in the 7th round. He was my top sleeper at the RB position and although I don't think he can be #1 RB on a team, he can be a Kevin Faulk type weapon that is a change of pace back on 3rd down. The only negative about this class is that they still haven't found their QB of the future. I personally don't think DeShone Kizer has what it takes to be a good QB in the NFL. So while this draft will make the Browns a respectable team going forward, I don't think they will become a playoff team until they find a starting QB.

6. Dallas Cowboys - The Cowboys needed defensive back help in the worst way so they drafted a trio defensive backs. And man did they do a great job. I thought they absolutely hit it out of the park with the selections of Jourdan Lewis, Chidobe Awuzie, and 6th round steal Xavier Woods. I loved all 3 players before the draft. And I believe all 3 should be immediate starters with the long-term potential to be pro-bowl caliber players. I didn't love the pick of Taco Charlton. There were several edge rushers that were better still on the board like Tarell Basham, Derek Rivers, and Jordan Willis, however, he can still turn into a decent starter. Late round picks Ryan Switzer and Joey Ivey also have starter potential. All-around great draft by the Cowboys. Along with last year's stellar draft class, the Cowboys have set themselves up to be a Super Bowl contender for the next 5 years.

7. Detroit Lions - One of the sneaky great classes in this year's draft. I absolutely loved the pick of Jarrad Davis in the 1st round. He's been my top middle linebacker in this class for a long time. I believe he can develop into an All-Pro caliber linebacker. He reminds me a lot of Patrick Willis. I don't know if he'll be that good, but he should be a standout middle linebacker for the next 10 years. Other than Davis, I loved the picks they made on defense with Teez Tabor and Jalen Reeves-Maybin. Despite the slow 40, I still believe Teez Tabor can develop into a pro-bowl caliber CB. He's a perfect fit in Detroit's zone scheme and should be an instant starter. Jalen Reeves-Maybin is an undersized linebacker with some limitations but he is athletic and smart. He's another perfect fit in Detroit's scheme. He should develop into a solid starting weak-side linebacker. Kenny Golladay is another mid-round pick by the Lions that I believe can also develop into a reliable starter. He's got a nice combination of size and speed. And finally maybe the biggest steal in this entire draft is Brad Kaaya falling to the 6th round. I've been high on him during this entire draft process. I had him rated as my #2 ranked QB in this class after Joshua Dobbs. And I believe he can develop into a Matt Ryan type QB. Obviously he won't start anytime soon playing behind Matt Stafford who is still young and obviously good. However, I think he landed in a good landing spot to develop because there will be no expectations for him to be anything more than a backup QB. Matt Stafford gets hurt a lot and I believe if he has to miss time over the next couple of years, Brad Kaaya will come in and play well enough to get a shot as a starter either in Detroit or somewhere else.

8. Indianapolis Colts - One of the best defensive drafts in the league this year. My favorite pick in their class was Tarell Basham in the 3rd round. I thought he was a 1st round caliber prospect so getting him in the 3rd round is an absolute steal. I believe he develops into a pro-bowl caliber defensive end/outside linebacker. He reminds me a lot of Houston Texans standout pass rusher Whitney Mercilus. I also liked the pick of Malik Hooker. His talent as a single-high center fielding safety is just outstanding. He has a chance to lead the league in interceptions. I also liked the pick of Quincy Wilson. He should be an immediate starter. I liken his game to Jalen Ramsey. He'll be a very good press corner in the league. Anthony Walker Jr. is another defensive player from this class that I believe has the potential to develop into a starter. Colts may not have done anything to improve their offensive line but they did improve their defense substantially.

9. San Francisco 49ers - Solomon Thomas is the obvious star of this class. He's one of the more unique players I've seen in recent years. I couldn't really get a good comparison for him because he's such a unique player so I went with a mix of JJ Watt and Aaron Donald. He's not quite as tall as JJ Watt but he's also not quite as short as Aaron Donald. He's almost at a happy medium between the two. But he is just as explosive as them when it comes to rushing the passer. I believe Solomon Thomas will develop into the best interior pass rusher in the league. He should be a dominant player for the next 10 years. Along with Thomas, I also loved the pick of Ahkello Witherspoon. He needs some time to develop but he's a heck of an athlete with tremendous range and natural hips. He should turn into a solid starting corner with the potential to be a pro-bowl caliber player. Trent Taylor was a solid pick late in the draft. He's basically a Cole Beasley type player. He'll be a starting slot receiver in the league and he'll make plenty of plays on 3rd down. The only pick I didn't like was Reuben Foster. I know a lot of other people like him but I just don't trust him. His small size, injury history, and off field issues made him a no go for me. Outside of the draft, I thought the Niners did a great job in undrafted free agency. Like the Cardinals, they picked up 2 players that I liked and thought should have been drafted. Matt Breida was a guy who I thought would get draft in day 3 so I was surprised when I saw he didn't get drafted. His tape looked an awful lot like Cadillac Williams (former Auburn RB). And he also tested really well at his pro-day. I believe he has a good chance to be a starting caliber RB in the NFL. Another undrafted free agent I liked that signed with the Niners is Cole Hikutini. He looked like a mid-round draft pick to me so I was also surprised to see him go undrafted. I expect him to make the team and get playing time. He has the potential to be a decent receiving tight end in the league.

10. New York Jets - This is honestly all about Jamal Adams and Marcus Maye. I really didn't like any of their other picks but getting Adams and Maye (two guys who I believe have All-Pro potential) is all they needed to do to get into my top 10. Talk about a perfect pairing. Both these guys compliment each other very well. I am gonna say it again, this pairing has a chance to be the best safety combination in the NFL for the next 5-7 years. Both players have the potential to be the best at their position similar to how Kam Chancellor and Earl Thomas were the best at their position for several years. New York Jets have solved the back-end of their secondary for the next decade.

Best of the Rest

 Los Angeles Rams: loved the picks of Gerald Everett and John Johnson....both have pro-bowl potential.....Josh Reynolds should also develop into a decent starter
 Cincinnati Bengals: Joe Mixon, Jordan Willis, and Carl Lawson were all great picks.....John Ross can be special if he stays healthy......Josh Malone should be a legitimate deep threat
 Baltimore Ravens: Marlon Humphrey and Tyus Bowser are absolute studs.....both have pro-bowl potential.....Tim Williams should be a decent pass rusher on 3rd down
 Chicago Bears: much maligned draft class that is actually a lot better than people think.....beyond Trubisky who may or may not be good, Ryan Pace did a good job with picks like Tarik Cohen, Eddie Jackson, Jordan Morgan, and Adam Shaheen.....all 4 should be major contributors if not solid starters for several years
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Browns got handed a superstar at #1. I didn't really love any of their other picks on their own, a lot of hit or miss guys. Their next 4 picks were all boom or bust, but there is undeniably a lot of upside. If 3-4 of the non-Garrett picks can hit, then it's an amazing draft, and they have enough lottery tickets to make that a good chance of happening.
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VanS wrote:
Cincinnati Bengals: Joe Mixon, Jordan Willis, and Carl Lawson were all great picks.....John Ross can be special if he stays healthy......Josh Malone should be a legitimate deep threat


Really thought the Josh Malone pick would have gotten us into your top 3... Wink

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goldfishwars wrote:
1. Cleveland Browns



Selections:
1. Myles Garrett [ DE ] Texas A&M
25. Jabrill Peppers [ S ] Michigan
29. David Njoku [ TE ] Miami (FL)
52. DeShone Kizer [ QB ] Notre Dame
65. Larry Ogunjobi [ DT ] Charlotte
126. Howard Wilson [ CB ] Houston
160. Roderick Johnson [ OT ] Florida State
185. Caleb Brantley [ DT ] Florida
224. Zane Gonzalez [ K ] Arizona State
252. Matthew Dayes [ RB ] NC State

Best Pick: DeShone Kizer
Assuming the Garrett pick was a no-brainer, the Browns didn’t exactly go all out to land their future passer if that’s what Kizer turns out to be. Three picks were made before they finally pulled the trigger at the position, no dramatic trades up, no selling their future down in exchange and with him costing a 2nd round pick there’s no long-term commitment. It’s almost the opposite approach to what the Bears, Texans and Chiefs have done and yet, there’s not a world of difference between him and the three prospects selected a round before him. His physical talents are as good as anything in the class and his 2015 is better than any tape out there. But last year saw a big regression, to the point we’re not sure if Hue Jackson has a minor repair job on his hands or a complete rebuild. It’ll be fascinating to see what happens from here, but they’re not wedded to the outcome.


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Could not disagree with you more. Kizer had the post season to prove to scouts, GM's and HC's that he was a real potential franchise QB and all he accomplished was moving from the #1 ranked QB prospect to the #4 ranked QB prospect. He came up short in his intangibles and mental toughness, 2 essential areas where a QB has to be strong in to succeed at the next level. I see only a career backup as his potential.


Most Questionable Pick: Jabrill Peppers
Obviously they traded back from 12 to 25 to get next year’s 1st from Houston and settled for Peppers here at 25. He became one of the draft’s enigmas with the Heisman hype surrounding him coming into the year and then there was a lot of smoke and mirrors with how he was deployed in a defensive position that doesn’t really exist in the NFL. Obviously he’s an uber athlete and that appears to be the one thing the new regime values in the first round. He’s also got the ‘fantastic locker room guy’ reputation, which always helps. There’s just a lot of unanswered questions around what he’s going to be at the next level. It'll be interesting to see where he ends up playing.

Steal: Caleb Brantley
Now the legal situation over the alleged assault doesn’t appear to be going any further, this looks very much like the Browns landed a day two prospect in the 6th round. Brantley looked naturally explosive and powerful at Florida, with a first step that took him into the backfield in a hurry, but the athletic testing does not back that up which is a mild concern. With the Ogunjobi pick, this potentially gives the Browns two explosive interior lineman to pair with Danny Shelton on that new look line.

Overview:
The Browns came into the draft with 11 selections and two first round picks. They finished the draft making 11 selections, with 3 first round picks and Houston’s first round pick next year. They continue to find trades where other teams come out complaining they couldn't move out of their spot, it's fascinating. When Sashi Brown and Paul DePodesta arrived on the scene and said they were taking a fresh approach they basically meant they were going to borrow from Jimmy Johnson’s ‘collect draft picks’ from 25 years ago. Nobody has manipulated the board and made full use of the draft capital at their disposal like they have, but you still have to pick good players at the end of that to make it worthwhile.

So Myles Garrett then, can he break the long curse of failed Browns draft picks? There’s absolutely not much to cover here that hasn’t been covered, he answered some of the lingering doubts over his athleticism with a knock out performance at the combine. I just can’t remember the last time the Browns had a dominant pass-rusher (has it ever happened), so this is great for them because you couldn’t draw up a specimen more ready to wreck offensive gameplans from the edge. The only concerns is what a nice guy he is and that’s a pretty ridiculous concern to have.

Many thought the trade up at 29 would have been to land Kizer, but clearly David Njokou was the object of their affections. The Browns recently released Gary Barnidge and could do with a reliable target over the middle. At 20 years old, he’s got enormous room for growth to go along with his enormous athletic ability and wingspan. With only one productive season behind him at Miami, he’s going to take time to develop. But he’s already a willing blocker, unlike some of the other ‘tight end’ prospects and there’s huge potential for him to become a consistent nightmare down the seams. I this I liked the Larry Ogunjobi at 65 given there’s not much around on him. What tape there is shows someone overwhelming blockers who can’t live with his combination of speed and power. We’ll have to see how much of that translates quickly in the NFL. He’s also a polymath level genius off the field which may or may not be important, but it’s something to like.

I really liked the Howard Wilson pick at 126 and it’s a real shame that he’s fractured his knee cap, although the team are still hopeful he can play this year. Houston has become a weird breeding ground for NFL corners and he got a little lost in the mix despite having a little bit of everything in his locker. We’ll see how this year goes because Cleveland need bodies in that secondary. I wasn’t huge on Roderick Johnson as the early day two pick range he was getting mocked in, but I don’t mind him at pick 160. Physically he has everything you want to see in an NFL right tackle, but he’s been sloppy and clumsy too often. Perhaps he can get coached up here.

Of the remaining picks, Zane Gonzalez is a kicker and they need a kicker. He’s been a reliable kicker so I hear. Matt Dayes has a decent enough all round game, he’s a smaller back at 5’8 and 210. He can catch and pass protect, but I don’t know if there’s anything special about him to believe he could be a feature back down the line.


Everybody raves about the Browns having 2 first rounders for next year's draft, but the Browns have had 2 first rounders in 4 of the last 5 drafts, including 3 in this year's draft and what has it gotten them = nothing. Until they get a true franchise QB and get their picks to actually provide solid starters, all the picks in the world are not going to save them.

Giving Cleveland an overall #1 ranking for any draft based on past performance, is a complete joke IMO.
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VanS wrote:
Here are the teams I felt had the best drafts.

Top 10 Draft Classes

1. Pittsburgh Steelers - I honestly believe the Steelers have potentially landed one of the best draft classes in modern NFL history. I absolutely loved their first 5 picks. All 5 have the potential to be all-pro/pro-bowl caliber players. Before the draft, I had JuJu Smith-Schuster rated as my #2 ranked WR, Cameron Sutton rated as my #1 ranked CB, James Conner as my #2 ranked RB, and Joshua Dobbs as my #1 ranked QB. To land all 4 of those players who I felt were worthy of being selected in the 1st round as well as TJ Watt who has pro-bowl talent if he can stay healthy is simply amazing. Don't be surprised if these 5 players form the core of a team that competes for multiple super bowls in the next 5-10 years. Beyond the first 5 picks, the Steelers also did a great job late in the draft. Brian Allen and Keion Adams show the physical traits to potentially develop into starting caliber NFL players. And that is honestly the best you can ask for late in the 5th and 7th round. Both guys are great athletes, now its on the coaches to see if they can develop them into decent NFL players.


Shocked Wow. I like Juju and Watt, but goodness.
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Iamcanadian wrote:
Everybody raves about the Browns having 2 first rounders for next year's draft, but the Browns have had 2 first rounders in 4 of the last 5 drafts, including 3 in this year's draft and what has it gotten them = nothing. Until they get a true franchise QB and get their picks to actually provide solid starters, all the picks in the world are not going to save them.

Giving Cleveland an overall #1 ranking for any draft based on past performance, is a complete joke IMO.

Who is giving Cleveland the #1 ranking based on past performance? Show me just one.

You seem to want to deny them the top spot based on past performance, so I can understand you projecting, but it ain't there. This is a monster draft if they get anything at all from Kizer.

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onejayhawk wrote:
Iamcanadian wrote:
Everybody raves about the Browns having 2 first rounders for next year's draft, but the Browns have had 2 first rounders in 4 of the last 5 drafts, including 3 in this year's draft and what has it gotten them = nothing. Until they get a true franchise QB and get their picks to actually provide solid starters, all the picks in the world are not going to save them.

Giving Cleveland an overall #1 ranking for any draft based on past performance, is a complete joke IMO.

Who is giving Cleveland the #1 ranking based on past performance? Show me just one.

You seem to want to deny them the top spot based on past performance, so I can understand you projecting, but it ain't there. This is a monster draft if they get anything at all from Kizer.

J


I think he meant to write: 'Based on past performance, anyone giving Cleveland the overall #1 ranking is a complete joke IMO'.

However, I completely disagree with that. Yes it's true the Browns did not draft a surefire franchise quarterback. Of course they didn't. There was no surefire franchise quarterback in this draft. But aside from free safety and slot receiver, I think the Browns addressed every need position their team had and did so while getting good or great value with every pick.
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PostPosted: Sat May 20, 2017 5:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

daineraider wrote:
VanS wrote:
Here are the teams I felt had the best drafts.

Top 10 Draft Classes

1. Pittsburgh Steelers - I honestly believe the Steelers have potentially landed one of the best draft classes in modern NFL history. I absolutely loved their first 5 picks. All 5 have the potential to be all-pro/pro-bowl caliber players. Before the draft, I had JuJu Smith-Schuster rated as my #2 ranked WR, Cameron Sutton rated as my #1 ranked CB, James Conner as my #2 ranked RB, and Joshua Dobbs as my #1 ranked QB. To land all 4 of those players who I felt were worthy of being selected in the 1st round as well as TJ Watt who has pro-bowl talent if he can stay healthy is simply amazing. Don't be surprised if these 5 players form the core of a team that competes for multiple super bowls in the next 5-10 years. Beyond the first 5 picks, the Steelers also did a great job late in the draft. Brian Allen and Keion Adams show the physical traits to potentially develop into starting caliber NFL players. And that is honestly the best you can ask for late in the 5th and 7th round. Both guys are great athletes, now its on the coaches to see if they can develop them into decent NFL players.


Shocked Wow. I like Juju and Watt, but goodness.


Every year there are mid-round picks that turn out way better than everyone picked ahead of them.

How would you have reacted in 2015 if I said David Johnson would be the best RB from that class ahead of Todd Gurley and Melvin Gordon? Or how about if I said Dak Prescott was the #1 rated QB in the 2016 draft? Or if I said Jordan Howard was the #2 rated RB in the 2016 draft?

When I did my ratings, I tried my best not to let the outside rankings influence me. All I did was watch the tape, watch the combine, and try to watch interviews on these kids. Once I did all that, I came away loving James Conner, Cam Sutton, and Josh Dobbs.

Who knows I could be wrong on all these guys. But I would rather be wrong going totally with my gut opinion rather than simply regurgitating what everyone else is saying.
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PostPosted: Sat May 20, 2017 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah the old "Past Cleveland Drafts sucked so now the current and future ones will suck even though no one in charge now had anything to do with the past"

Love it
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